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Post by quoteluo on Oct 31, 2006 21:17:58 GMT -5
can u chop a forest in one turn in serfdom and exp? havent downaloded yet Nah dude, Expansive Workers are produced faster, their actions are at the same speed as any other Worker. He meant, can you produce a worker in 1 turn by cutting a forest (20 hammers) in ren-starts with bureaucracy..
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Post by ironclad on Oct 31, 2006 21:47:19 GMT -5
no i mean can a worker cut a forest in one turn -- like in civ3 the workers worked faster not built faster
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Post by notagoodname on Oct 31, 2006 22:02:36 GMT -5
Nah dude, Expansive Workers are produced faster, their actions are at the same speed as any other Worker. He meant, can you produce a worker in 1 turn by cutting a forest (20 hammers) in ren-starts with bureaucracy.. Yes the bonus does count to forest hammers and overflow hammers As mookie said the actions are the same speed. It'd actually be way too powerful for expansive to have the workers improve faster. Not that expansive isn't too powerful anyway.
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Post by quoteluo on Oct 31, 2006 23:00:18 GMT -5
Ottomans will without doubt be my favourite civ of choice now.
The balance fix to the expansive trait is imo a bit tricky. 50% faster worker production for the prize of 50% faster granary bonus. I would have loved to see the +2 health bonus to be swaped with 50% granary production.
The organized trait has been considered rather useless by 99% of the ladder (from what I've experienced). The trait has only been picked due to a UU, I hope this will change now.
The creative trait needed a small boost, which it got with 50% cheaper libraries.
Just a few thoughts at 5 am.. [NoD]Ktulu
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Post by MMV on Oct 31, 2006 23:15:44 GMT -5
It's so nice to see that the totally ignored the request to fix the "sentry" mode from sleep and die to actual "sentry" like in all the other civ games
I mean it's not like anyone SAID anything about it or that we didn't let one of their STAFF know.
VERY disapointing.
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Post by notagoodname on Oct 31, 2006 23:25:18 GMT -5
Ottomans will without doubt be my favourite civ of choice now. The balance fix to the expansive trait is imo a bit tricky. 50% faster worker production for the prize of 50% faster granary bonus. I would have loved to see the +2 health bonus to be swaped with 50% granary production. The organized trait has been considered rather useless by 99% of the ladder (from what I've experienced). The trait has only been picked due to a UU, I hope this will change now. The creative trait needed a small boost, which it got with 50% cheaper libraries. Just a few thoughts at 5 am.. [NoD]Ktulu After playing in epics with some of the best players i've found organised is the most sought after trait. In the long term it is the best trait, even moreso now. Pointless for 100 turn games though.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 31, 2006 23:57:25 GMT -5
For those who want to keep both versions of WL's to finish PBEM or DirectIP pitboss games here's what I do.
This assumes that you have not patched and still only have version 200, if you have patched you will have to uninstall WL's and reinstall WL ver 200 from the CD.
1. Open windows explorer, and navigate to C:\program files\firaxis games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\
2. You should now see a folder called Warlords, right click and drag that to your destop, when you release your mouse it will give you the option of copy or move please chose copy. You now have a copy of the original ver 200 folder.
3. Click on the folder name on the desktop folder, and change it to Warlords200, hit enter to finish the change.
4. Now move(not copy) that folder back into the "Sid Meier's Civilization 4\" folder, you should now have a Warlords folder and a Warlords200 folder.
5. Now you can feel free to patch via the WL's lobby or D/L from a fan sight. Unfortunately the Firaxis installers will only patch the WL's version that was originally installed, and it has no option to change folders. Which means that it will patch the orginal Warlords folder to 208.
6. Now you can create a shortcut to the exe in the Warlords200 folder to your desktop and after renaming it warlords200 you will now have a shortcut to 200 and the original 'Launch Civ4 Warlords" shortcut will launch ver 208, you can rename that shortcut Warlords208 if you like as well.
Now your off to the races, just becareful never to enter the MP lobby with ver200 or it will want to autopatch, just use 200 for your PBEM or DirectIP MP games.
Cheers CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 1, 2006 2:04:34 GMT -5
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Post by notagoodname on Nov 1, 2006 2:23:12 GMT -5
I've got to admit d2d is actually a really cool service, they are really relaxed on how you use your media and how many times you want to download it. Much better than buying off other online providers like steam which require you to run 3rd party software in the background.
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Post by notagoodname on Nov 1, 2006 4:09:55 GMT -5
www.gamershell.com/news/33945.html also has the patch. The gamers hell patch is a universal patch, it works for both non-cd downloaded versions (like off direct2drive) and for other versions.
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Post by Tony on Nov 1, 2006 6:56:47 GMT -5
What is direct2drive, its a way of legally downloading games? (cant check for myself, some strange sites are blocked at work for some reason)
But what is stopping people from paying for 1 downlaod and then giving there username and password to others to get the game too?
Would i be able to get games at the time it comes out in the US?
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Post by SweViking on Nov 1, 2006 8:04:01 GMT -5
They nerfed the vikings by making navigation II after flanking So no more 4 move galleys or 6 move galleons.. Thats bad since that was the only thing that could spice up a boring medi or ren inland sea game. When all screamed for fastest way to get MT and not choose astro i could make me some 4 movers anyway. So its a sad viking who is gonna have too leave my own people in these games from now And a remark, all talk about spain and the exp trait. The citadel that gives +5 exp to siege units!?! thats powerful as hell. imagine a catapult with 3x cityattack. will get cata to 10 power vs city. and it cant be colleteral damaged by other catas. Or get 3x barrage if you make catas for defence... unreal powerful. Treb are more costly now, but they will get 12 power vs city with 3x cityraider. hehe in medi and ren games this will be to powerful. I guess in sometime spain will be banned just like russia was/is, when players learn to play this right. And a citadel with walls gives a -50% bombardment aswell... So be spain and make barracks, walls and citadel in frontcity, go theo or vasselage and start to spit out 3x promoted catas and enjoy the slaughter with conqs as defender of catas in enemy forrest squares. conqs thats been made by -50% off workers that is ;D So just make a route with rushed conqs in enemy land then start to bring the catas up I guess some dude in firaxis is from spain and no firaxis dude is from scandinavia Spain now has: One of best top 5 UUs. One of best trait combo. One of best unique building. Whats left??? // Sweviking
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Post by deviousdevil on Nov 1, 2006 12:21:22 GMT -5
One of the big issues is that firaxis released civ4 on the direct2drive online store. When i bought the game from that site i was given a no-cd copy of the .exe made by firaxis themselves. If it wasn't for firaxis making the no-cd crack it would probably have taken a lot longer for the crack to come out than it did. I'd imagine direct2drive is making them quite a bit of money though and i prefer buying from there than steam. For those who bought the direct2drive online version the legitimate no-cd patch is at www.direct2drive.com/patches/index.aspxApparantly the patch downloaded striaght off the firaxis site includes a folder called "unprotected" that contains the unprotected executable anyway. I guess they don't mind saving people the hassle of swapping cds anyway (especially in laptops ehere they get scratched from moving around). forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=191191No-CD cracks are not the problem, infact only foolish gamers use no-cd cracks to crack a game because when a new patch is out they are screwed. Im sure im not allowed to mention how its done here, but anyone with a access to a search engine, 20 mins on there hands and a few brain cells can work it out. (Thats pretty much the whole ladder minus B(antams)NP, only joking) No-CD hacks mean you don't have to waste time finding the CD, just double click and play whatever - a god send. If you keep the original exe file in a safe folder then you can easily replace the cracked exe and replace with the original and then update the patch and for the few days it takes to crack the patch use the CD again.
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Post by yilar on Nov 1, 2006 12:36:12 GMT -5
The No-CD crack is out...
Out of respect for CS im not gonna link it, but you can find it on the biggest no-cd cracks site.
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Post by churchill1 on Nov 1, 2006 12:42:16 GMT -5
and it cant be colleteral damaged by other catas. Ah. Well that's another change. Siege units now do receive collateral damage. But everything else you say is right on. Stop giving away the best strats.
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Post by geforced on Nov 1, 2006 13:27:45 GMT -5
rofl @ firaxis releasing the patch and the no cd patch be mistake
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Post by tommynt on Nov 1, 2006 13:51:23 GMT -5
2 games 2 scrap
turn 1 and turn 5 ... exp overpowered for sure now. The only good thing about exp might be that i ll possible try play another civ as gandhi
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Post by notagoodname on Nov 1, 2006 17:24:36 GMT -5
Yeah expansive is insane now. The hammers and no-growth time saved is incredible. I played as issabella last night and there is just too much going for her (+5 experience to seige units, conquistadors and now the workers).
It only takes 1 turn of building and then a slave to get a worker in any city with expansionist. Because ren cities start with 2 population an expansionist civ will get you a free worker with every city.
Zulu really didn't need the boost that they got either.
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Post by deviousdevil on Nov 1, 2006 17:26:35 GMT -5
Yeah expansive is insane now. The hammers and no-growth time saved is incredible. I played as issabella last night and there is just too much going for her (+5 experience to seige units, conquistadors and now the workers). It only takes 1 turn of building and then a slave to get a worker in any city with expansionist. Because ren cities start with 2 population an expansionist civ will get you a free worker with every city. Zulu really didn't need the boost that they got either. I wouln't say I told you all (well especially at civfanatics) and what did I get, I got abuse over there for saying so. I even got people saying it wasn't much of an advantage. Such a crazy change, one that no-one asked for and that wasn't particularly necessary.
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Post by churchill1 on Nov 1, 2006 21:22:01 GMT -5
I don't think you got much abuse DD and the abuse you did get was for the manner in which you put your points across. I can't really imagine they are right about the change to expansive not being overpowered for single player. But may be.... . Roland is a very clever player for sure and he wasn't convinced.
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