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Post by decepticon on Aug 10, 2006 15:39:58 GMT -5
This post is just to inform people that we really need to create some different formats for ladder games. Frankly, the 70% of the top twenty that plays teamers over and over and over with each other is really starting to drive me batty. How can anyone who mostly plays only reni teamers and some scraps of other formats, be ranked so high? I could honestly explain how, but im afraid its beating a dead and smelly horse. As for actually trying something new, I have been. From Packed Hub games to Scenarios, to just plain weird games, I've hosted a plethora of them. I've found that a great number of ladderites are willing to try new ways to play becuase it seems they enjoy Civ itself. On the other hand, the top twenty (not all ) are nothin but smacktards who maintain their rank by continually playing each other in one stupid format. There is nothing wrong with the ranking system per se ..... maybe what the ladder needs is to appoint a whole bunch of these guys to admins.
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Post by Gogf on Aug 10, 2006 16:36:01 GMT -5
Oh no, rank horders!
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Post by MookieNJ on Aug 10, 2006 16:57:21 GMT -5
On the other hand, the top twenty (not all ) are nothin but smacktards who maintain their rank by continually playing each other in one stupid format. While I can't speak for anyone else in the top 20, what I think you're failing to understand here is that most people on the ladder play the format of games they enjoy most, regardless of rank. It just so happens that many of the higher ranked players enjoy team games. Anyone on the ladder is welcome to play any sort of game they wish -- cton, teamer, ffa, anonymous, shuffle teams, epic, etc. (BTW -- I have played ladder games in all of those formats). Who cares what the ranks of the players are as long as everyone has a good time? In the end, if you want to play something different, host one yourself. If you have enough patience you'll be able to get enough people for a good game.
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Post by knupp on Aug 10, 2006 17:05:20 GMT -5
Always a new thread about the same thing each week. If you want different types of games then host those kinds you like. Not everyone has to join your packed hub style games.
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Post by Tony on Aug 10, 2006 18:44:05 GMT -5
last 2-3 days have been REALLY hard to find a game only 300 and something reports recorded Initial warlords boost seems over. If you want to do something good for CIV deception host diffrent kinda games, i for 1 will always jump into a "diffrent game" no matter how lame it is!
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 10, 2006 18:44:45 GMT -5
This post is just to inform people that we really need to create some different formats for ladder games. Frankly, the 70% of the top twenty that plays teamers over and over and over with each other is really starting to drive me batty. How can anyone who mostly plays only reni teamers and some scraps of other formats, be ranked so high? I could honestly explain how, but im afraid its beating a dead and smelly horse. As for actually trying something new, I have been. From Packed Hub games to Scenarios, to just plain weird games, I've hosted a plethora of them. I've found that a great number of ladderites are willing to try new ways to play becuase it seems they enjoy Civ itself. On the other hand, the top twenty (not all ) are nothin but smacktards who maintain their rank by continually playing each other in one stupid format. There is nothing wrong with the ranking system per se ..... maybe what the ladder needs is to appoint a whole bunch of these guys to admins. THANK YOU!! Someone else has the guts to speak in favor of the minority. However, you will hear much more from the great majority of players who dominate with similar styles of play. Can we hear from those who do not have a high rank or play many games because of players saying things in the lobby like, "These settings look weird...I thought this was a ladder game." It's easy to criticize decepticon if you are happy with your rank and with the popular style of play. No offense to mookie, but it's easy to say things are fine the way they are when you are #1. Not everyone has to play decepticon's packed hub style games, but people do have to play the popular style of play in order to achieve a high rank. And there is a popular style. Yes, anyone can play whatever style of game they want. But let me ask: If a ladder player is in the top 25 and issues a fair challenge to a higher ranked player, how is it decided which settings to use? If it is purely up to the players, how is a disagreement solved? Is the challenge null if the players cannot agree on settings and options? In that case, can one of the top 24 theoretically deny the 25th ranked player from advancing by holding the match disagreeing on settings? Is that fair? The ranking system has many flaws, but this one is not because of mathematical calculations or multiplayer games per se.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 10, 2006 18:45:53 GMT -5
last 2-3 days have been REALLY hard to find a game only 300 and something reports recorded Initial warlords boost seems over. If you want to do something good for CIV deception host diffrent kinda games, i for 1 will always jump into a "diffrent game" no matter how lame it is! That's for sure. He even joined my lame game. ;D
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Post by decepticon on Aug 10, 2006 19:13:45 GMT -5
Sorry to say but you should refer to my new post about Fuel for the Fire...cause what you said was just totally contradicted.
And mook, ive never had a negative game with your nor a negative ladder or civ experience. I think you are an honorable champion and I do not question you civ skillz.
But come on guys, lets get real.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 10, 2006 21:43:31 GMT -5
This post is just to inform people that we really need to create some different formats for ladder games. Frankly, the 70% of the top twenty that plays teamers over and over and over with each other is really starting to drive me batty. How can anyone who mostly plays only reni teamers and some scraps of other formats, be ranked so high? I could honestly explain how, but im afraid its beating a dead and smelly horse. As for actually trying something new, I have been. From Packed Hub games to Scenarios, to just plain weird games, I've hosted a plethora of them. I've found that a great number of ladderites are willing to try new ways to play becuase it seems they enjoy Civ itself. On the other hand, the top twenty (not all ) are nothin but smacktards who maintain their rank by continually playing each other in one stupid format. There is nothing wrong with the ranking system per se ..... maybe what the ladder needs is to appoint a whole bunch of these guys to admins. THANK YOU!! Someone else has the guts to speak in favor of the minority. However, you will hear much more from the great majority of players who dominate with similar styles of play. Can we hear from those who do not have a high rank or play many games because of players saying things in the lobby like, "These settings look weird...I thought this was a ladder game." It's easy to criticize decepticon if you are happy with your rank and with the popular style of play. No offense to mookie, but it's easy to say things are fine the way they are when you are #1. Not everyone has to play decepticon's packed hub style games, but people do have to play the popular style of play in order to achieve a high rank. And there is a popular style. Yes, anyone can play whatever style of game they want. But let me ask: If a ladder player is in the top 25 and issues a fair challenge to a higher ranked player, how is it decided which settings to use? If it is purely up to the players, how is a disagreement solved? Is the challenge null if the players cannot agree on settings and options? In that case, can one of the top 24 theoretically deny the 25th ranked player from advancing by holding the match disagreeing on settings? Is that fair? The ranking system has many flaws, but this one is not because of mathematical calculations or multiplayer games per se. The default rules for formal challanges are in the ladder rules. If no game can be agreed apun it defaults to a 1v1 on a duel map. CS
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Post by Bantams on Aug 11, 2006 4:53:12 GMT -5
smatt aka deception aka decepticon aka HOMELAND_SECURITY
host it ill play any type of ladder game when im available to play ;D
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Post by decepticon on Aug 11, 2006 4:59:36 GMT -5
DEAL
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 11, 2006 9:47:10 GMT -5
I also agree to play you in any match you want, decepticon, but for those who know me, I tend to hang out more in the forums than the lobby. ;D
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Post by nicoya1 on Aug 11, 2006 11:19:32 GMT -5
Im just writing to see my name on the forums and become a swordsmen like Bantams. ;D PS: I spelled ur name right
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Post by Bantams on Aug 11, 2006 11:25:37 GMT -5
Im just writing to see my name on the forums and become a swordsmen like Bantams. ;D PS: I spelled ur name right 84 more posts and youre a worker:)
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 11, 2006 13:55:41 GMT -5
Huh...Huh. ;D Read Fuel for the Fire. I am a little slow at games played at blazing speed. People play with different handicaps at golf, do they not? How does someone with a large golfing handicap play in a tournament? I don't follow golf so I don't know. I'm not suggesting players allow others to use "settler" difficulty. But more players could be more open to play with a slower turn timer. After all, as long as you end your turn properly by clicking on the button or preesing enter, a blazing turn timer only makes it so some players can't finish their turn, like me.
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Post by Gogf on Aug 11, 2006 14:05:32 GMT -5
Huh...Huh. ;D Read Fuel for the Fire. I am a little slow at games played at blazing speed. People play with different handicaps at golf, do they not? How does someone with a large golfing handicap play in a tournament? I don't follow golf so I don't know. I'm not suggesting players allow others to use "settler" difficulty. But more players could be more open to play with a slower turn timer. After all, as long as you end your turn properly by clicking on the button or preesing enter, a blazing turn timer only makes it so some players can't finish their turn, like me. The ladder is about playing competitive games with people who know what they're doing. If I wanted to play against somebody who was incompetent nut had ridiculous handicaps, I would play single player. I do not at all mean to imply that you're not welcome in the ladder. What I mean is that I highly doubt we'll see games being played with any difficulty other than Noble anytime soon (as long as we keep our eye on Ironclad ).
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 11, 2006 14:16:52 GMT -5
The ladder is far more about having fun than just fun with competition. I was just suggesting some people might want to use a slower turn timer. Not change the difficulty settings. I'm competent and I have Ladder players who like to play games with me. Does anyone know about golf? I don't like golf, but the analogy with golfing handicaps is apt. I have no desire to be #1 or any rank. But my opinions for those who do still stand.
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Post by MMV on Aug 11, 2006 20:42:17 GMT -5
play slowly on the golf course and you have to let people go around you.
(do it multiple times at the same course, they can ban you from playing there.
but - you are welcome to play Civ at a different speed, as long as you don't mind the other players "blazing" around you.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 12, 2006 0:31:12 GMT -5
lol ;D putt...putt...putt.
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Post by deviousdevil on Aug 12, 2006 3:23:41 GMT -5
Didn't see any of you whingers in the pirates game...
As for getting a game, there is never a shortage of people wanting to play with me (ahem) and there is plenty of variety.
Thank god, as I get nothing but disasterous results from teamers.
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