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Post by zzZhenon on Jul 2, 2006 0:50:14 GMT -5
I usually get key techs, then drop back to the ancient techs that I passed up for major late game pointage. Switching your cities to wealth helps a lot of u have enough units to afford it. I made a big mistake in a cton with GNR.... he was outteching me and when he built taj mahal, I assumed Cavalry would follow (this was a classical start btw). I had a massive 11 cities and could produce incredible amounts of units. I built tons of spears since i could make about 3 per turn and put them in my coastals and the city next to GNR. Unfortunately Necro decided for a boat assault.... with macemen.... grrrr I had mostly spears. Well no biggie, I build a few cats and xbows. At about this (6 turns left in the game and i'm winning by about 100 pts), GNR makes his move. But they weren't Cavalry.... no he sent musketeers He hops all around my civ while i'm slaving nuts left and right. Eventually I fall, I am unable to defend 11 cities with 2 people attacking me. Moral of the story? Watch the power graph when you switch to "Wealth" in all cities .......
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Post by civerdan on Jul 3, 2006 5:51:27 GMT -5
Oracle is a wonder I generally only build if opportunity is there. If I had non industrious and other ind civs are in (esp Gandhi) I will pass, as there is always one players that has to have it and I would rather chop settlers most of the time anyways. OTOH, on multiple occassions I have gotten Civil Service with Oracle while not even Ind (when there are no ind civs in game.)
I would much rather use an Artist to claim land then on a tech unless there is less than 20 turns left. AFAIK the land gained is always worth more in score plus you get extra defense and land area.
In many games you have no choice but to research Iron Working early, if there is no copper anywhere. I assume Bronze Working is part of the research path mentioned above since you wont build both wonders without chopping.
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Post by Atomation on Mar 19, 2007 3:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by mrgametheory on Mar 19, 2007 13:44:11 GMT -5
Notas liberalism strat has been around for like 6 months, where the hell have you all been Personally, the best strats are the ones not dependent on super variables like wonders. In terms of getting some variables in your favor. I will take the Colossus every day of the week over getting beur for 20 more turns. Rush to Liberalism is worth it in 1v1 island games where you need astro fast, but due to the tragedy of the commons you cant wait around to get astro with liberalism or you will lose it. In epic ironman type games or isolated games with multiple players it isn't worth it to fly at liberalism. The trick to becoming a great player is you need to research worthless tecs while your cities are busy building necessary buildings and enough warriors to cover happiness, but dont get me wrong, as much as I love oxford its not worth it in comparison to other things. You have these people flying to calvary in 90 turns and when they get there they dont have the production to build any calvary and slaving the nuts outta there 5-7 city empire will obliterate them so they better kill a player with the 20 calvary they slaved or GG with all that hard work and luck down the drain, besides the fact that 30 cats kill 20 calvary. Sure anyone can get liberalism in 70 turns with a few jems in cap, and 4 cities with 1 pig in them, but try getting the space race in 203 turns on the "Europe map" with 75% real players and enough military throughout the game to defend an attack from any one player.
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Post by Atomation on Mar 19, 2007 14:09:32 GMT -5
First off, I didn't use nota's build at all. It sucks, quite honestly. Secondly, his build only is for liberalism before 1Ad, which is quite useless, while my build goes for MT before 1AD which is not quite so useless at all. Although I did use the oracle, I could have easily had MT before 1AD without it. Civil service only took 5 turns to research and I took it with the oracle. I had no special resources in cap, just food and a few floods. Third, getting astro with liberalism is completely slowed. There is no reason to detour all the way to liberalism to get astro. Fourth I think you don't realize exactly how early 1AD is. You might have a few warriors in your capital at that point, or maybe 1-2 chariots at most. The way you expand there's very little chance you'd have catapults.
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Post by Tony on Mar 19, 2007 16:47:19 GMT -5
Easy way to settle whose technique is better!!
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Post by xiaojuzi on Mar 23, 2007 0:48:42 GMT -5
8 months ago,iv also think up the strategy by myself and made a thread to introduce the trick of beelining liberalism in another civforum. quite amzin ,my strategy is almost identical to this one here,seems great minds always think the same. in terms of an island game,i think detouring way to liberalism is totally unecessary.my usual route is to research straightly towards greatlibary tec (it is optional depending on the terrain productivity,food and leader traits,in certain case it is more efficient to go for caste system rushing a greatscienst to build academy ),then civilservice,the last step is directly get astronomy. as soon as i can build galleon,i will set the tec bar to 0% ,connect iron,and upgrade warriors covering city happiness into maceman,slave all the coastal cities' population down in to galleons while im doing the samething to pump loads of macemen out in inlandcity( surely u can build macemen beforehand to save several turns).the progress ends with my maceman rushing enemy 's coastal city and game over.after all,controlling the ocean is most impotant thing even u r not planning for a rush so get the astronomy as soon as possible. btw,i find oracle sucks in islands games cuz it would pollute my great ppl points,as we'v all known greatprophet cant get civilservice anymore in 2.08 patch,deserving himself to be absolute garbage.i only build oracle in case my opponent intends to get expensive tec like civilservice by oracle,not for the need of myself but for avoiding others benefite too much.
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Post by churchill1 on Mar 23, 2007 12:39:30 GMT -5
I can hit 200 BC with a good start and no interference (water map), but I don't actually usually get liberalism then; I generally go down the Machinery tree to Optics and get to astro, so I end up taking astro with lib around 400 or 500 AD in an average game. All depends on land though; I've been as early as 200 AD on that and as late as 1000 AD. It also depends if I manage to grab Parthenon and Great Library, both of which are practical but not guarantees with my tech strategy. Anyone know what happened to Elledge? He was such a clever player and such a dude. He helped me become slightly less noobish.
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Post by Atomation on Mar 24, 2007 1:54:53 GMT -5
Why not build galleys to upgrade as well? Works quite nicely. And so does building only catapults to land with. Screw macemen.
Oracle is one of the most powerful wonders possible to build, if you have the presence of mind to have another city work on a great person faster than the oracle produces a prophet - thus you won't get a prophet negative and you still reap the amazing hammer to beaker benefits of a free technology.
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Post by Elledge on Apr 25, 2007 13:30:06 GMT -5
I can hit 200 BC with a good start and no interference (water map), but I don't actually usually get liberalism then; I generally go down the Machinery tree to Optics and get to astro, so I end up taking astro with lib around 400 or 500 AD in an average game. All depends on land though; I've been as early as 200 AD on that and as late as 1000 AD. It also depends if I manage to grab Parthenon and Great Library, both of which are practical but not guarantees with my tech strategy. Anyone know what happened to Elledge? He was such a clever player and such a dude. He helped me become slightly less noobish. Thanks for the shout-out - life sort of intervened and I forgot about civ for the past year. Plus warlords killed renaissance napoleon and that made me I just played the first game in forever with a few friends and remembered how much fun it was, though, so maybe I will drop by sometime!
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 25, 2007 18:15:32 GMT -5
Hey man o/ I know you went over to EvE for a bit: a bunch of us jumped on the bandwagon and are loving it. Did life intervene there too? >.< Hope your good .
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 25, 2007 18:26:07 GMT -5
Now I'm going to have to launch a DoS attack on the EVE servers! They are stealing to many of our Civers! Remember that BTS is coming out in July so come back and give it a try.
CS
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Post by Elledge on Apr 26, 2007 15:16:09 GMT -5
I'm definitely still playing EVE ;D It's a pretty good game for putting down and picking back up whenever you like. I'm in a Goonswarm corporation hanging out in the southwest griefing BoB.
I'll definitely take a peek at BTS when it comes out. Looks like a cool expansion from what I can piece together of the previews and etc.
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Post by ironclad on Apr 26, 2007 20:31:28 GMT -5
goonblob
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 26, 2007 21:23:34 GMT -5
LMAO, I so didn't picture you being in the goons!
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