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Post by Necrominousss on Jun 5, 2006 1:42:55 GMT -5
I just witness a player get to at least liberalism on the bottom and he had Cossacks by the end of the game in and anct 130 turn game. Any comments on that?
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Post by tommynt on Jun 5, 2006 1:55:11 GMT -5
done that before - once i might have gotten demo but did shoose other techs - imo u need definatly a fin civ and a great start (preferable a gifted worker from a "opponent") also some gold or diamonds in cap are nearly a must oh well then expand fast and build even more cottages fast. But it s really not very easy
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Post by Necrominousss on Jun 5, 2006 2:01:33 GMT -5
Did you skip over many techs to do it? Or did you get almost all the techs along the way?
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Post by tommynt on Jun 5, 2006 2:19:11 GMT -5
no i definatly didnt get techs like machinery (skipped all lower path), lib is relativly easy but militrad get a lot harder as u need some expensive techs in the end + some other small tech like hb riding and to have a use of cavs/cos u need it at 120t not at 130t
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Post by Necrominousss on Jun 5, 2006 2:47:32 GMT -5
wine, corn, wheat, many floodplains, 2 plain hills, four square lake was his cap. gems in one city.
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Post by tommynt on Jun 5, 2006 4:41:45 GMT -5
sure good land is very important espacilly floodplains a river just gives u 1 more sciene for no skill - in ironman for example I played really kinda best i can - but had huge problems to keep up on science with these fin civs having river in all land while i had no single river tile. In the end i manged to get a slim tech lead and lib 1. but surly not within 100 turns - some great people really help aswell to get expensive and important techs
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Post by GERMANIA on Jun 5, 2006 7:05:03 GMT -5
that is nothing special! specially if you have a fin ore philo civ its pretty easy..
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Post by Tony on Jun 5, 2006 8:30:57 GMT -5
LOL you can get to cavs on OCC, 140 turns.
In regular games its more then possible!
EDIT:: I have found the size of the map plays a big part in how far down the tech tree you go.
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Post by churchill1 on Jun 5, 2006 8:56:42 GMT -5
What do u mean: he got liberalism "on the bottom"?
i've got cavs a few times in these ctons, but never to get any real use out of them. and if u get them ur almost certainly the points leader anyway.
if ur gonna manage this ur cap will be providing the bulk of ur science i would say.
it is definitely possible without financial civ. i've done it at least once. and i've seen aways2000 get them way before the end of a 120 turn cton (without a financial civ). but i think he is either CivGod himself or he cheats. ;D
some tips for teching:
- build cottages, cottages and more cottages. - consider tech when founding cities ( but whatever u do, do not neglect mfg. look for flood plains, jewels and, as always, food resources. - don't build so many cities that it stretches ur economy so that ur teching below say 70%. or so many units for that matter. - great library is very handy, esp with the marble res. put the national epic in this city and u will have GS's coming out ur ass. - use GS's for academies in ur super science cities. these become less useful as the game goes on. consider using one for a golden age. - grab taj mahal. when i am teching well and i get cavs i usually manage 2 golden ages.
as a side note - sometimes i tech unbelievably well and it is not a sacrifice on my mfg or unit production. sometimes it is so i don't tech so well. i guess it depends on ur land and neighbours. but as i understand it this guy aways can consistently get cavs. tho i'v only played him that one time.
teching well is really worth it - it is so much more fun playing with the big bad units.
by the way, necrom666 - what is ur name on the ladder? i don't find u there.
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Post by Necrominousss on Jun 5, 2006 10:40:28 GMT -5
My ladder name is Necrominous.
You guys are funny. Some of you make it sound like you do it ever other game.
btw he still only took second place.
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Post by churchill1 on Jun 5, 2006 12:12:05 GMT -5
i can assure u i do not get them every other game. sorry if i gave u this impression btw necrom. it kinda helps if u don't fluff up a chariot rush early on against aztecs, forgetting their uu and then getting killed off by his axes. if u remember this thingy up of mine.
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Post by mrgametheory on Jun 5, 2006 12:54:02 GMT -5
I Was once less than 6 Turns away from getting assembly line in a 125 Turn ancient Hub game. I was once less than 5 Turns away from getting a space race victory in a Ren Inland sea game with 135 Turns. I was England in both instances. This was an epic style game where there was no city destroy limit few important things to keep in mind when doing this: You better be pillaging cottages and cities of one of your enemies every single turn-other turn. The cheat code in this is to Destroy a single opponents production so they cant generate military units as well, than you pillage the two top layers of cottages and leave them alone. When you take over the cities you need to leave them in tact and make it so your opponent can recapture them with ease. Than go and capture other cities and make them recapture them with ease and keep doing this and you will magically generate an insane amount of funds in an epic style situation. You need to be generating great scientists like mad. I remember in the ancient game I had a city generating around 130 Great people points The Ren game was pre patch where the kremlin was giving 50% Addon- ohh and one more thing. I once generated more than 500 Marines and 100 transports and 50 or So Destroyers in a 140 Turn 2v1 Hub game. I think it was against Smuckey and Mookienj
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Post by tommynt on Jun 5, 2006 15:26:18 GMT -5
mr gt u r just such a great player -why u keep allways screwing up when with me or other good palyers in a game?
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Post by Elledge on Jun 5, 2006 16:55:19 GMT -5
You ought to be able to get up to cavs in that timeframe, every game (with caveat below) or something is wrong. The "something" that I think is wrong with most decent players, after watching other GNP players on my teams in ladder games, is failure to specialize properly. You need one GP city that you farm up and dedicate to the purpose. You need to dedicate the majority of your cities to pure cottages on the grassland you can find, with just enough food to work your productive tiles. One serious production city in a hilly area should be able to crank out a top-tier unit per turn in a given era, which is enough to build a little defense for all your cities and a reasonably-sized stack.
But if you are building units in all your cities sometimes, and you have farms and mills scattered around haphazardly for random production tiles, and you don't know how to cook GPs properly, then you are going to be way, way behind someone who does.
The other caveat here is that obviously sometimes you are going to get wiped out if you aren't quite good, because your production is going to be lower than a good player who is cranking out units everywhere and mining up the joint. But this shouldn't be a factor in ctons, since kills don't do much for the killer and you kinda have to screw up to get eliminated usually. It definitely shouldn't be a factor on a techies' map like hub.
Finally, like tommy said, it's possible to just get f**ked on land and wind up with lots of plains, no resources, and no rivers. Then I guess it's time to gear up for war. That really doesn't happen a lot though - usually on standard maps you can find good grassy spots for a number of science cities.
EDIT: GT's pillaging idea is a good one too if you can pull it off (maybe if you have a neighbor who you know is a crappy player) but I prefer to stay at home.
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Post by mrgametheory on Jun 5, 2006 17:02:01 GMT -5
Because I don't sit at my computer for 1/3 of my day playing this damn video game. All I am doing is talking about games I have played in the past when I invested more time in the game. Ive played around 20 games in the last 2 months. My game has slipped in the last few months I will admit, but thats not a big deal to me. If I played even half of the amount of Civ 4 you played, I know I would dominate you most of the time. Ill admit you got some intelligence under your belt, but its the amount of time you invest in the game and have invested in the game that gives you your advantage against me. the amount of time you invest in the game is ridiculous and for the time you invest in the game you should never be losing 1v1 and most other games and the fact of the matter is you do lose. I bet if you put up a chart of the amount of time you have put into civ 4 and the amount of time I have put into civ 4 you have probably played this game 400 times more than me for a fact. And remember, 95% of the time I have played you, it is like 2-5AM my time and I am extremely tired heh But all jokes aside, I do believe you are better than me, but I don't think there is another player that is better than me pound for pound. Who else do I "screw" up against? And if anyone out there thinks they are better than me, than play me in a 1v1, sure its possible for me to lose a game, but I bet in the grand scheme of things if we played 5 games I would win the majority After I graduate in 3 weeks and before I start working again, I will have a small window of time to play this game seriously and I expect my game improve twice over in that time. Only time will tell.
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Post by Elledge on Jun 5, 2006 17:11:21 GMT -5
Because I don't sit at my computer for 1/3 of my day playing this damn video game. All I am doing is talking about games I have played in the past when I invested more time in the game. Ive played around 20 games in the last 2 months. My game has slipped in the last few months I will admit, but thats not a big deal to me. If I played even half of the amount of Civ 4 you played, I know I would dominate you most of the time. Ill admit you got some intelligence under your belt, but its the amount of time you invest in the game and have invested in the game that gives you your advantage against me. the amount of time you invest in the game is ridiculous and for the time you invest in the game you should never be losing 1v1 and most other games and the fact of the matter is you do lose. I bet if you put up a chart of the amount of time you have put into civ 4 and the amount of time I have put into civ 4 you have probably played this game 400 times more than me for a fact. And remember, 95% of the time I have played you, it is like 2-5AM my time and I am extremely tired heh But all jokes aside, I do believe you are better than me, but I don't think there is another player that is better than me pound for pound. Who else do I "screw" up against? And if anyone out there thinks they are better than me, than play me in a 1v1, sure its possible for me to lose a game, but I bet in the grand scheme of things if we played 5 games I would win the majority After I graduate in 3 weeks and before I start working again, I will have a small window of time to play this game seriously and I expect my game improve twice over in that time. Only time will tell. I'll play you islands ;D
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Post by tommynt on Jun 5, 2006 17:52:39 GMT -5
i m just tired of hearing people doing great things when i have never seen em doing that and as u said i play a lot (for sure not as much as u think) so there d be much time to show - espacilly things like oh ya cavs in 100 t is so easy i ll do u assembly line .. pffff
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Post by Tony on Jun 5, 2006 18:02:05 GMT -5
Because I don't sit at my computer for 1/3 of my day playing this damn video game. All I am doing is talking about games I have played in the past when I invested more time in the game. Ive played around 20 games in the last 2 months. My game has slipped in the last few months I will admit, but thats not a big deal to me. If I played even half of the amount of Civ 4 you played, I know I would dominate you most of the time. OMG are you joking, your the one that spends countless hours thinking of "game theories". God know how many hours you have spent thinging about this and testing it SP no doubt. Also you have written a 5 page novel about how to play ren games. Surely it is better to spend time playing CIV then thinking about it or writting about it...no? Also you have over 500 reports, that quite alot anway! Its hardly a case of, never playing the game and just being able to pick it up fast
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Post by notagoodname on Jun 6, 2006 1:27:40 GMT -5
You can get civil service surprisingly early when you really try. From there your only a handful of techs from liberalism and you can get those few techs very quickly with the +50% beurocracy gives your capital.
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Post by Necrominousss on Jun 6, 2006 2:06:43 GMT -5
..a..gametheory=nuke
Stop mouthing off and write your reports MGT.
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