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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 23, 2006 0:39:09 GMT -5
Ok I just was in a cton, I died..nothing new But what was very odd was I was killed by a chariot, when I had a defending warrior and had slaved a archer the turn before. I was able to see the chariot coming since my borders had extended twice. So two my susprise the chariot attacked at the very start of the furn, before I could even promote my archer, and I died. It's like the archer didn't exist and the chariot killed the warrior alone. But I've never seen combat happen before a new unit is produced, has anyone seen this or have an explanation, I tried asking the player that killed me what he did and if he saw a archer but all I got was silence in return, which leaves me very suspicious to say the least. I don't care about losing so much if I get beat by a more skilled player, but not by some trick that has nothing to do with tactics or strategy...... CS
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Post by notagoodname on Jul 23, 2006 2:01:53 GMT -5
Nope but i have seen equally weird things happen. Once in a 1 city elim game i quick-moved a stack of camel archers into a threatened city. The enemy obviously attacked at the same time i moved my units in and the game made the sound of the city dying and being recaptured by my camel archers but it never actually killed me. It seems weird things can happen at the start of turns.
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Post by tommynt on Jul 23, 2006 2:13:33 GMT -5
that sounds weired CS - i guess u r sure that he didnt move in last sec of previous turn
I just saw something weired aswell so i dont wonder anymore
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Post by notagoodname on Jul 23, 2006 5:02:08 GMT -5
Hmm i think i may know what could have happened - if you slave a unit and get the tech/resource to build a better unit that turn the unit wont get built and you could lose your city.
Right Tommy? ;D
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Post by civerdan on Jul 23, 2006 5:24:37 GMT -5
You also wont get your slaved unit if you lose the resource needed to build the unit. I saw one game where a player tried to slave a spear but had his copper pillaged later that sme turn so he got nthing and lost the city.
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Post by Ellestar on Jul 23, 2006 6:08:56 GMT -5
Good idea, but archer doesn't require any resources ;D
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Post by notagoodname on Jul 23, 2006 6:23:57 GMT -5
Yes but getting feud stuffs a slaved archer as you are forced to build the better (and more expensive) unit
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 23, 2006 6:45:00 GMT -5
Nope but i have seen equally weird things happen. Once in a 1 city elim game i quick-moved a stack of camel archers into a threatened city. The enemy obviously attacked at the same time i moved my units in and the game made the sound of the city dying and being recaptured by my camel archers but it never actually killed me. It seems weird things can happen at the start of turns. I remember that game ... no city razing 2 city elimination. You were down a city and lost a second city, but immediately recaptured it instead of being removed from the game. That was so weird!
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 23, 2006 6:45:41 GMT -5
Yes but getting feud stuffs a slaved archer as you are forced to build the better (and more expensive) unit Nah, you can still build archers until you have Machinary and Iron hooked up.
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Post by Lestat on Jul 23, 2006 8:18:03 GMT -5
When u checked chairot U saw 1 chariot ?? U checked again it ?? I had same storie. I saw chairot then slave warrior and have 2 units in cite. But before end of turn i put look to chariot again, surprise, there was 3 chariots, first was recon then player put second 2 on stack and killed me.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 23, 2006 16:38:57 GMT -5
No I never saw more than one chariot, right to the end of the turn before I died. The attack was extremely fast in the next turn as well, I was about to click on my city to promote the archer to combat 1, I never got the chance, I died in the first half second, I never even saw the archer or a blue glow. Now I know the few tricks to quick move units, and he wasn't limited by the 6 secs as he moved well before the end of the turn before, but I've never seen an attack happen that quickly in any game. Apparently he killed Raven by a lightening attack later in the game as well. I was just hoping that someone had some insight...
CS
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Post by tommynt on Jul 23, 2006 17:27:43 GMT -5
all insight i have is that it should not be possible and that i have never seen it
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Post by Elledge on Jul 23, 2006 17:44:26 GMT -5
No I never saw more than one chariot, right to the end of the turn before I died. The attack was extremely fast in the next turn as well, I was about to click on my city to promote the archer to combat 1, I never got the chance, I died in the first half second, I never even saw the archer or a blue glow. Now I know the few tricks to quick move units, and he wasn't limited by the 6 secs as he moved well before the end of the turn before, but I've never seen an attack happen that quickly in any game. Apparently he killed Raven by a lightening attack later in the game as well. I was just hoping that someone had some insight... CS Well, there's a known exploit with doublemoving where if he has a single unit there (as he did) he can hotkey that unit, move his other stack in at the very absolute zero second of the prior turn (maybe late enough that you didn't see), get his hotkeyed unit and use it to "move all" at the very zero second start of the next turn, to bypass the doublemove timer. If he was fast you would have had only an instant where you could have seen three chariots there.
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Post by decepticon on Jul 23, 2006 18:36:52 GMT -5
Elledge's comments are the only way it could have happened without cheating.
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Post by notagoodname on Jul 23, 2006 18:39:02 GMT -5
I never even saw the archer or a blue glow. CS Well it sounds like your slaved archer simply wasn't built which could be because of a lot of reasons - Hooking up iron when you have machinery (you would build half a crossbow instead) Researching machinery when you have iron (gets you half a crossbow again) Going to anarchy Accidently pressing Ctrl down while selecting what to build at a different city (it will cause all cities to build the same thing as the selected city) Although, yeah i wouldn't put it past this game to have some bugs in it
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Post by Elledge on Jul 23, 2006 18:41:05 GMT -5
Accidently pressing Ctrl down while selecting what to build at a different city (it will cause all cities to build the same thing as the selected city) Good lord, I never knew that. What on earth is the point of that silly shortcut?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 23, 2006 19:13:26 GMT -5
I imagine then that's what must have happened..pretty cheesy way to win if you ask me. But it's a fixed exploit in Warlords.
CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 23, 2006 19:18:45 GMT -5
I never even saw the archer or a blue glow. CS Well it sounds like your slaved archer simply wasn't built which could be because of a lot of reasons - Hooking up iron when you have machinery (you would build half a crossbow instead) Researching machinery when you have iron (gets you half a crossbow again) Going to anarchy Accidently pressing Ctrl down while selecting what to build at a different city (it will cause all cities to build the same thing as the selected city) Although, yeah i wouldn't put it past this game to have some bugs in it Nah, none of those apply, I was no were near machinery at this point in the game, and had no copper or iron near at that. And I only had my cap, I had just got rid of harassing troops from this player and another using my archers and had moved two archers and two warriors out as sentries and worker protection. Which is why I just had one warrior in my cap(only city), the chariot(s) came from the only direction that they could double move on my cap and not be intercepted by my sentries. CS CS
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Post by decepticon on Jul 23, 2006 19:25:46 GMT -5
Sounds like he did the double move stack trick that elledge mentioned.
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Post by Ellestar on Jul 24, 2006 0:52:26 GMT -5
Accidently pressing Ctrl down while selecting what to build at a different city (it will cause all cities to build the same thing as the selected city) I think Ctrl-click puts that thing first in a production queue.
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