agent_x7
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Post by agent_x7 on Feb 17, 2006 17:54:24 GMT -5
Recently, I have noticed alot of Rennisance Teamers emerging, and there are now very few classical starts. What I am wondering is if this is just a fad or, do you people actually like Renissance era more?
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Post by zzZhenon on Feb 17, 2006 18:00:06 GMT -5
Ren starts are the best IMHO. You have so many more options.
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Post by deviousdevil on Feb 17, 2006 19:03:39 GMT -5
Think people fear the horse-rush of doom in classical if I've got my eras right. Just takes you to have horse and them not to and there could be trouble ahead. I think the patch will address this somewhat and make this era a more popular option hopefully
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Post by swissy on Feb 17, 2006 21:16:47 GMT -5
I find Ren boring. There are a couple strategies, not much in the way of options as you forced to get cavalry and riflemen or you won't be able to counter the other team as they get them. Most teams pick a Russia, England and Arabia with the last civ(s) being variable. You either rush directly to Military Tradition or go for Liberalism to end up at Military Tradition. If everyone arrives at Military Tradition at the same time you either go for Astronomy to boat the other team or straight to Rifling to counter cavalry. If both teams are pretty much matched well in tech progress the game becomes tediously long as the ever increasing army sizes incrementaly lengthen the timer.
I'll actually looking forward to seeing the return of the ancient teamer once the patch arrives and they fix the starting tech bug.
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Post by Tony on Feb 17, 2006 22:41:45 GMT -5
I hear what your saying swissy, and agree partly. Ren era games do only have limited options, you are forced to go for Cavs ASAP, if you dont russia will tear you apart at the seems(So will normal cavs but russian ones are the worst).
Little small tricks of the trade quickly become common knowledge beacuse you can see what everyone is doing.
Non-ancient games are played on inland sea, which is a real shame IMO, because, only 2 people are actually playing from both sides, ie the 2 at the front, the back players pretty much do the same thing every game, get big strong, and gift the front man units. trying to control them yourself is both confusing and damaging for the team, unless you are not at all confidant in the front guy.
You can sum up any era the way you have summed up ren era, as much as im starting to enjoy playing this game, i feel its a very basic game in terms of what you can/should do.
There is alot more to learn in CIV4 compared to other games, lets see there's religion, premotion, worker actions, civics, etc. But more learning DOES NOT mean more complex, in depth game play, i belive some people are confusing the 2.
Here is a little test, pick a random moment in a day sit in the lobby for 5 mins, and observe, 80% of the stuff typed is nonsense spam, why? Becuase the (Target)Audience is younger, who are inticed with fancy graphics and watered down game play.
Well thats my opinion anyway.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Feb 18, 2006 10:50:59 GMT -5
Random era.
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Post by Ascension/Necrominous on Feb 18, 2006 11:43:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind trying some modern starts. Not sure what my favorite would be yet.
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Post by Sidhe on Feb 18, 2006 12:02:45 GMT -5
got to be industrial, non resource dependant UU means England rules in the early game and everyone gets equal start early on, the luck factor is still there but it's an oil/coal or whatever thing not a I get rushed by 20 cavalry/horse archers/knights or whatever.
Like Renaisance alot it's hard to get killed early on unless you screw up bad and 5v5 rens are great fun.
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Post by Atomation on Feb 18, 2006 22:07:22 GMT -5
I enjoy all eras, but yes ren era is very fun as well. Every era has its own strategies that are enjoyable, but ren happens to be very offensive in nature due to cavalry being so overpowered compared to what can immediately defend it, so it makes the game pretty intense. All in all though, it just seems like another fabulous example of how overpowered 2 move units are in this game when used by a good player . Hopefully there will be some sort of modification to the way double move units are at least relative to everything else.
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Post by salqadri on Feb 19, 2006 1:24:08 GMT -5
Its a Fad imo; nowadays we like it; maybe later we'll start playing some other era more. I find it often depends on what the "elitists" like to play on. They started playing it a bit, and it eventually permeated throughout the ladder. Now however, its become hackneyed, so perhaps this Fad will go some time soon.
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Post by markweston on Feb 19, 2006 9:23:02 GMT -5
Well, we've all played so much ancient that it's coming out of our ears. Given that Classical mostly feels like Ancient with a bit of a head-start, it's not surprising that in the search for something new people are choosing Renaissance over Classical.
But yeah, it's a fad. At least in the sense that we'll soon have played so much Renaissance that it'll be coming out of our ears, and then we'll all start looking for something else. My vote's for Future.
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Midgard
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Post by Midgard on Feb 19, 2006 18:34:15 GMT -5
Could always play Industrial or Modern, I find both of them very fun to play.
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Post by tommynt on Feb 19, 2006 18:53:22 GMT -5
nothing as boring as indu .. only 1 unit to go for isnt that interesting i d say - tanks are too far away .. - when they come game is laggy allready
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Post by salqadri on Feb 19, 2006 19:18:19 GMT -5
There was this one Ren, which I enjoyed a lot. I was with LordDragon and 2/3 others, against Mussolini and 3/4 others, and we went on till the Tank age; we had spies, tons of tanks, and we nuked the crap out of the other team; Pretty much nuked every major city of theirs. Our spies could see all so that was cool. Muss survived by 1 turn, the rest died. But ya, those spies and nukes were cool, and those poor guys were way behind us in tech. It seems tech gets really unbalanced in later ages.
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Post by tommynt on Feb 20, 2006 12:33:39 GMT -5
guess that was only possible when using the free speach bug
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Post by salqadri on Feb 20, 2006 14:20:14 GMT -5
lol. Its possible, though dont remember.
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Post by civerdan on Feb 20, 2006 16:23:43 GMT -5
Re: the Free Speech/Suffrage bug. Has taken a lot of the drive to go democracy unless you plan on using emancipation. Also been seeing more banning or england and (especially) Russian in Ren Games. as cossacks are very unbalancing. Sometimes going astro is a option but can be a one trick pony. If it doesnt work, they have cavs a fair amount of turns before you.
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agent_x7
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Post by agent_x7 on Feb 20, 2006 19:21:27 GMT -5
The key to research in renissance is cottaging. If you build only cottages and mines, no farms, no mills, you can probably get infantry 40 turns from the end. Pikemen are more poweful than you think, 2 pikemen can easily take out any cossack, no matter what it is upgraded to.
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Post by Atomation on Feb 20, 2006 22:19:16 GMT -5
Actually the key is building some farms first, then converting them all to cottages after you've quickly grown. If you do out the math, its faster than pure cottaging, though I'll admit I don't always do it myself due to not caring enough to spend the time .
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