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Post by mrgametheory on Feb 2, 2006 12:04:26 GMT -5
Sure the guy opened his mouth in the middle of a game and broke the Cton Rules, but I wouldn't go and call the guy a cheater. He got banned from the ladder for a short time for the event and I feel the situation has been atoned. So leave the poor guy alone....
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Post by salqadri on Feb 2, 2006 12:59:50 GMT -5
Talk to all or whisper? If all, did he reveal information or general talk?
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Post by SirPartyMan on Feb 2, 2006 13:21:03 GMT -5
He spoke to all about which player was attacking him and who was therefore weak at home, etc. etc. He encouraged others to go attack his attacker.
This is a clear violation of CTON Rules. It was in the CCC Ironman Final to boot.
SPM
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Post by eiffel on Feb 2, 2006 13:24:32 GMT -5
The fact is that it's sometimes hard to remain silent when you're in bad shape, land blocked or dying from a stronger opponent without saying a word... staying here until you're dead or completely pillaged.
Against cton rules maybe but sometimes you just can't control ;D This shouldn't be considered as cheating even if it cannot be accepted in a tournament. Guess a simple warning for further CCC would've been enough.
But forum flaming is another thing and i understand he was suspended from posting due to his last post.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Feb 2, 2006 14:22:14 GMT -5
Well the spirit of good sportsmanship is violated when players violate cton rules. One of the primary goals of the CTON game style is to avoid unfair 2v1 or more gangbangs.
Of course, when beleaguered, you can make an indirect comment about the hard times you're having, yes. You don't have to identify precisely which opponent has which kind of troops where. That type of intelligence being passed, in private or in open, is forbidden.
You're also right there were two separate punishments here. For the Ironman incident, he was suspended for 7 days and banned from participating in the next CCC. He will be eligible, of course, for the one(s) after that. For an over the line post in the forum, which included threats of physical violence, he received a two week forum posting ban (he can still read, of course).
Best, SPM
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Post by napalmnow on Feb 2, 2006 16:42:53 GMT -5
I actually took a screencap once when I played vs. Sidhe in ladder CTON. I was mysteriously attacked by Metallian (guy next to me) after I had punished Sidhe early on with a rush. I was knocked out of the game and Sidhe bizarrely said in public to all, "I am ok now." Nothing was spoken by anyone else to prompt such a statement.
I thought twice about bitching and posting the screencap (so I del'd it from my desktop). But, it doesn't surprise me that such accussations have surfaced...
-NN
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Post by Lestat on Feb 2, 2006 17:05:54 GMT -5
Sure the guy opened his mouth in the middle of a game and broke the Cton Rules, but I wouldn't go and call the guy a cheater. He got banned from the ladder for a short time for the event and I feel the situation has been atoned. So leave the poor guy alone.... 100% agree
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Post by Tony on Feb 2, 2006 18:23:09 GMT -5
Sure the guy opened his mouth in the middle of a game and broke the Cton Rules, but I wouldn't go and call the guy a cheater. He got banned from the ladder for a short time for the event and I feel the situation has been atoned. So leave the poor guy alone.... Your the only one blowing it out of all proportions, it happened like 2-3 weeks ago. Cton rules are broken EVERYDAY, but no one writes 10 page novels about it, maybe a CCC game is a little bigger then a regular cton but GET OVER IT. And anyway even if he did give in game information shouldnt your picking england BS theory more then counter it?
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Post by MMV on Feb 2, 2006 18:37:30 GMT -5
cheating and breaking the rules are two very different things.
sidhe doesn't cheat
breaking the rules in a ladder cton game - unsportsmanlike
breaking the rules in a tournament game - punishable
creating a post like this one leads people to believe that he IS a cheater - which he isn't.
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Post by whiplash on Feb 2, 2006 22:52:35 GMT -5
There is a subtle difference between a "cheater" and a rule breaker. However, I think this community should have little tolerance for either.
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Post by Ascension/Necrominous on Feb 3, 2006 0:49:15 GMT -5
Cheat[/u] 1:to deprive of something of value by use of deceit or fraud 2:to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice 1a:to practice fraud or trickery b:to violate rules dishonestly
Of course its cheating.
I've been rushed by players and knew it could be beneficial to let all know it. But breaking the rules in my book would be cheating. The rules of CTON are clear and if people are allowed to get away with that it turns into FFA.
I would also like to add that once you do the time you've paid for your crime. I take it this is his first offense and shouldn't be held against him. Hopefully, lesson learned. That last post of his doesn't give me a lot of confidence that's the case but he's exonerated till he shows different.
On side note, poor Sidhe may wear his fingertips off responding to 2 full weeks of post all at once. I hope he's saving them on some sort of word perfect program. A few copy paste and he shouldn't hurt himself too much when reinstated.
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Post by skidbladnir on Feb 3, 2006 8:16:38 GMT -5
agree with necro.. whatever the situation was or whatever might have happened next anyway... i can't stand someone asking ""why do you rush me?"" or ""waw you really have all your troops on me atm!"" in a cton..
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Post by Sidhe on Feb 13, 2006 1:40:17 GMT -5
FYI tommy said he was bored and was going to attack someone, this said to me number two beware and was also a clear breech of cton, the only thing I said until he started in with a tirade of rule violation accusations is what are you doing and why attack me(completely non specific?) Yeah a breach of cton but hardly much worse than anything else being bandied around at the time. It was in fact Game Theory who gave away who was attacking me by banging on about what a big rule breaker I was for twenty minutes. Fact is he and just about every player in the game was being attacked by tommy at the time. I suspect of course though tommy only attacked them because I told them too also. Anyway let's leave it, it was probably the most minor breach of cton in hisotry,especially if you take into account the scores gave it away long before anyone else did; I feel it has been blown out of proportion too much by those who would have done better to keep there mouths shut on something they knew nothing about instead of libeling me with cheat allegations based on hearsay. There is on person in particular who has also been added to my DNP for his actions, he knows who he is and personally I hope I don't have the misfortune to either have to put up with him or meet him again. I shall do what Necrimonius does to me and simply refrain from acknowledging his existence in future. One good thing to come out of this is Both I and Game theory have made ammends and decided to move on. I somehow doubt other people will do the same. But then you live in hope.
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Post by Lestat on Feb 13, 2006 14:20:54 GMT -5
the only thing I said until he started in with a tirade of rule violation accusations is what are you doing and why attack me(completely non specific?) Wellcome back Sidhe ... CTON rule no 4: No sharing of information: All chat is limited to non-game topics. Examples of banned chat include (but are not limited to) topics such as: location of opponents, opponent's quality of land, whether or not an opponent has a specific resource, informing others that an opponent is about to attack, type and amount of an opponent's units, etc. Sharing in-game information such as this is unacceptable and is grounds for immediate expulsion from the game and possible further penalty from the Ladder admin board. Examples of acceptable chat include the weather, your kids, your current rank, a story about how you won a close game last night, etc.
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Post by Sidhe on Feb 13, 2006 16:08:00 GMT -5
Lestat I'm not arguing about the crime and punishment side just the accusations of being a cheater, think you might have missed the point there.
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Post by Lestat on Feb 13, 2006 16:14:12 GMT -5
Yup hard to catch point.
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