agent_x7
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Agent of Truth
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Post by agent_x7 on Jan 28, 2006 10:53:25 GMT -5
Its kinda funny how he spent so much time researching a game exploit, he actually made a graph and nuts documenting it....
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 28, 2006 11:46:24 GMT -5
He he that's funny, it'll take less time than he took researching it to patch it; hard luck Game
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jan 28, 2006 12:29:40 GMT -5
Why would it be patched? There's always going to be a distance for 1 gold maintenance, and always going to be one tile shorter distance than that. If you want to place your cities so tightly as to avoid paying 1 extra gold rather than have an ideal placement, that, as Sid would put it, is one of the game's "interesting decisions" that you have to make.
It's only when the game has a clearly, demonstrably, always best in all situations decision that it needs patching. Myself, I'd rather tack on one more gold in one city for maintenance and score some iron, gems, whatever. This isn't like PTW's RCP - it doesn't affect every city; just that one.
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Post by tommynt on Jan 28, 2006 12:43:23 GMT -5
as said - irrevelant for praxis
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Post by Avogadro on Jan 28, 2006 15:35:56 GMT -5
I would ask all captains to discuss to their clan members the possibility of becoming more involved by sighing up as a tournament director. It woudl help enrich the league to have more TD's. Also some of you may complain that yrou "voice" is not being heard when it come to bringing changes in rules, events and procedure, well my reply to this is the more you are involved with the league the more likely you are to being heard. The TD's and Admins often correspond, we know each other, we respect each other, we listen to each others opinions. Mature TD's can contribute a lot to the healthy functionning of our league. So I urge you folks to get involved as it will better the experience for all of us. Sincerely GCAvogadro ps-go to www.myleague.comLeft side tourney directors link, click it and on next screen click TD application at the top.
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 29, 2006 10:17:18 GMT -5
Why would it be patched? There's always going to be a distance for 1 gold maintenance, and always going to be one tile shorter distance than that. If you want to place your cities so tightly as to avoid paying 1 extra gold rather than have an ideal placement, that, as Sid would put it, is one of the game's "interesting decisions" that you have to make. It's only when the game has a clearly, demonstrably, always best in all situations decision that it needs patching. Myself, I'd rather tack on one more gold in one city for maintenance and score some iron, gems, whatever. This isn't like PTW's RCP - it doesn't affect every city; just that one. I was referring to the +1 hammers for town in universal suffrage and +2 gold for free speech being stackable in a teamer exploit i.e. +2 hammers and +8 gold for the team in a 4v4(which can't even be displayed on the screen, too crowded) C'mon guys don't you ever visit the lobby ;D This is in fact what MrLametheory was referring to. Such a bad exploit that all use of it should be banned and labeled as cheating. Anyone who wins by using this or has won is pretty lame IMO, that he chose to go on using this blatantly unbeatable exploit is pretty shameful, if he had any honour at all he should of posted this immediately in this forum . A hollow set of victories for Game
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jan 29, 2006 11:38:31 GMT -5
I feel like I've just been lectured on civic virtue by John Wilkes Booth.
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Post by deviousdevil on Jan 29, 2006 11:51:39 GMT -5
Why would it be patched? There's always going to be a distance for 1 gold maintenance, and always going to be one tile shorter distance than that. If you want to place your cities so tightly as to avoid paying 1 extra gold rather than have an ideal placement, that, as Sid would put it, is one of the game's "interesting decisions" that you have to make. It's only when the game has a clearly, demonstrably, always best in all situations decision that it needs patching. Myself, I'd rather tack on one more gold in one city for maintenance and score some iron, gems, whatever. This isn't like PTW's RCP - it doesn't affect every city; just that one. I was referring to the +1 hammers for town in universal suffrage and +2 gold for free speech being stackable in a teamer exploit i.e. +2 hammers and +8 gold for the team in a 4v4(which can't even be displayed on the screen, too crowded) C'mon guys don't you ever visit the lobby ;D This is in fact what MrLametheory was referring to. Such a bad exploit that all use of it should be banned and labeled as cheating. Anyone who wins by using this or has won is pretty lame IMO, that he chose to go on using this blatantly unbeatable exploit is pretty shameful, if he had any honour at all he should of posted this immediately in this forum . A hollow set of victories for Game I am still confused as to why this makes Lizzy of particular mention...
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 29, 2006 12:05:22 GMT -5
Me too? Game? John Wilkes Booth, that's a bit harsh I'm hardly a traitor And you'll find 99% of MP players had no idea about this before yesterday so there
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jan 29, 2006 13:19:20 GMT -5
I was referring to you lecturing anyone about what should and should not be called cheating.
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Post by mrgametheory on Jan 29, 2006 14:23:27 GMT -5
lol, My exploit, I said it once and I said it again, I don't use nor need exploits to win my games. The universal suffrage / Free speech thing was discovered after the game I played with some people and I didn't even discover it until the day after they did. The strategy which is the focus on my thread has absolutely nothing to do with this exploit, if It did than why the hell would I only put Elizabeth down and not put Gandhi or every other character down, especially when you consider that I wasn't even playing Elizabeth in the game that this was all discovered. I would of also mentioned that the strategy only works in teamer if this was in fact what this thread was supposed to be about, so slow your role and just because you are a cheater Sidhe doesn't mean that everyone else is.
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 29, 2006 16:21:30 GMT -5
yeah and what I did wasn't cheating as everyone in the game knew, did you ask them: no : did you care to: no. Still living on antiquated rules and frankly that's disappointing, you know they're redundant but damn it you'll enforce them anyway. Well you keep banging your head against the keyboard. The players in the game know the extent of my crime, what the admins think means little to me. I have been exonerated by my peers that's all that matters to me, what you think is entirely beside the point. I apologized for the crime as minor as it was, but you will refuse to acknowledge that the rule is out of date with the scoring in the game, who loses, you do. Don't take this the wrong way but you and the admins are living in the past, if it pisses you off that people highlight inadequate rules, then IMO you shouldn't be an admin. Rules are not cast in stone, your players understand this, do you? Not that this matters becuase I didn't give away nuts 'til he mouthed off Change the rules dude, you can't give away anything if some guy argues with you about it he reveals it. And you can see it anyway so it's completely irrelevant, yes the sycophants will flock around and judge, but they aren't worth my attention, all I see is everyone in the game not giving a nuts about the rules in that situation and you kicking Dragon, even though we all agreed to play on , yawn, justify your antiquated rule system? Can you, no, would you no, would you please? I doubt it. You say that pointing out rules are inadequate will make you change them, but when someone does you blindly follow them. Chances of the rules changing 0%, chances of Fried getting self righteous about this post 100% people that make points about rules being redundant will be ignored, even though the concencus is on their side, do you care, honeslty, do you really care? Or are you much like a beuraucrat, once your back is up against the wall you get indignant and try and defend the lack of common sense inherent in an old system? Don't get me wrong I have had alot of respect for the admins being able to change there minds, and not blindly following rules, and I agree the punishment was warranted, it's just all the self righteous bs I have to put up with from judgemental people who don't and won't understand the situation. Morals, rules etc are situational, in this case the example makes the rule look inadequate. It's your choice where you go from here? And game you never use exploits then well good on you, but what you're describing sounds like an exploit. Don't use it or at least have the decency to explain it, otherwise no one is going to listen to you. And calling me a cheater with no evidence whatsoever is going to get you a world of pain. If you were in the same room as me game I'd beat you bloody and that goes for Fried or anyone else, I am a peaceful man, but you play with my sense of right and wrong, I'll kick the living $#% out of you. Get some balls back up your claims or $#53 off cause I don't give a $#%#$ about prole w.an.k.ers who talk #$% in the face of the evidence, your point of view means nothing to me. prove it. There is a post waiting for you to do this. Did you use it: no then #$$%, and &*^& off, your words are like water on glass, you might think you are cleaning it, but you'll make no imprint on it in the end, the glass will be just as it has always been Removed all the bad words, Yes some players may get on my nerves too but the forum is not a place to cuss them out. ::GCAvogadro::
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Post by deviousdevil on Jan 29, 2006 20:31:06 GMT -5
If you were in the same room as me game I'd beat you bloody and that goes for Fried or anyone else, I'll kick the living s.h.it out of you. I am a peaceful man You're a headcase
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jan 29, 2006 20:34:28 GMT -5
That will just about do it for this thread. Sidhe will be getting some time off the boards and probably some time from the ladder as well.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jan 29, 2006 20:37:28 GMT -5
Sidhe has been given 14 days off the boards and a 300 post count reduction, since that seems very important to him.
Ladder boxing may or may not occur.
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Post by Avogadro on Jan 29, 2006 23:39:37 GMT -5
BTW in the case of the Iron man. It was I, Sidhe, who suggested 7 days and no CCC. It was not Fried. Others concurred that the 7 days plus CCC was a fair sentence. You are barking up the wrong tree and will only hurt your self in this situation. You broke a cton rule during the CCC and a punishment was handed down. Accept it and move on. I believe you can be a tribute to this league so hush up and we will see you back among st us soon. We all have bad day but attacking an admin in the forum is probably not the wizest thing you could have done.
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