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Post by mrgametheory on Jul 3, 2006 2:16:09 GMT -5
So it was around 7PM in the lobby and no ladder players were on and I thought it be interested to put my super doopa skills to the test. I went into a game with the name "4v4 Experts ONLY!" I go in there and I say I am the best Civ 4 player in the world and get them to agree to a 4v4v1. After around 3 minutes of arguing I finally convience them with the help of a few guys who were very interested in actually seeing this game to a 4v4v1. The settings were Blazing, Standard, team battle ground, ancient. I thought the game was 4 conerns but the guy was nice enough to make the game top vs bottom which is horrible when you think of the fact that I have no where to hide or defend myself. The game starts and I got lucky placment in the corner. I picked hayuna. The first half of the game it was me and one team beating up on the team beatween us, but after around 90 Turns the middle team was able to talk the top team into teaming up on me because I already killed 1 of their players and about to kill a final one and my mfg, gold and power charts were rediculous. I got Calvary in 85 turns give or take a turn and 1 by 1 I killed them all, until the final guy said f**k it (ZardrkBones) and quit 3 turns before I beat the game. ( 700 Calvary latter ) (with the help of the kremlin and statue of liberty) I beat every single person on the motha f**king map. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If you see any of the people listed below on this picture, please feel free to laugh as hard as possible at them. Heh, I know you probably tihnking these guys musta been super dupa newbs, but they actually played ok and I got lucky a grip of times and did a lot of manipulation of both sides maintaining a war with each other and Me picking few off when I got a chance heh. ;D
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Post by churchill1 on Jul 3, 2006 4:38:39 GMT -5
Right.
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Post by Bantams on Jul 3, 2006 7:05:29 GMT -5
ROFL Yes really easy to give the AI names plus i dont recognize any of the other players mgt nice try though ;D you really should provide screenshot with pings next time perhaps
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Post by Elledge on Jul 3, 2006 8:57:13 GMT -5
THIS IS TRUE AND I HAVE EVIDENCE!
Last night at about 11:45 PM, I was hanging out in the lobby chatting with Longhorn on C4F just before I went to sleep. The conversation goes something like this:
Elledge_c4f: ok, i'm out for the night, see ya later Tooth+Nail: any elite players on? i have a question Elledge_c4f: oh wait i gotta see this guy's question first Tooth+Nail: is it possible to win 1v4v4 if you are really good Elledge_c4f: starting 1v4v4, or 3-people-died-so-then-it's-1v4v4? Tooth+Nail: starting 1v4v4 Elledge_c4f: yah i guess that's plausible if the 1 is really good and all eight suck ass Tooth+Nail: it was this guy named gametheory Tooth+Nail: so i suck ass? Elledge_c4f: well you did lose 1v4v4 so this is a judgment you'll have to make for yourself Tooth+Nail: ok thx
Then I wake up and see this thread. Priceless.
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Post by Bantams on Jul 3, 2006 9:00:36 GMT -5
Ok i take it all back good job mgt ;D guess more noobs out there like me playing this game
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Post by churchill1 on Jul 3, 2006 9:34:19 GMT -5
huh? Is that really true Elledge?
Poor Longhorn.
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Post by Elledge on Jul 3, 2006 9:36:40 GMT -5
Huh? What's it got to do with longhorn? He just happened to be there.
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Post by tommynt on Jul 3, 2006 10:24:47 GMT -5
bleh considering there are ladder player who let u walk into their cap I dont wana imagine open game players.
There s allready a thread about slowed civers no need to start another - the one thing I really wonder is that all stayed untill u killed em - usually open game player s just accuse u of cheating and leave
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Post by churchill1 on Jul 3, 2006 10:34:33 GMT -5
Huh? What's it got to do with longhorn? He just happened to be there. I just got the impression from what u said that tooth+nail is longhorsn's pseudonym.,
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Post by miserymachine on Jul 3, 2006 11:26:19 GMT -5
Bah! They aren't even ladder! Not a bad effort probably, but I would find 8v1 more interesting challenge to see instead of back to back 4v1s against crippled teams fighting each other. Even n00bs could be dangerous if any of them are leader enough to convince all to the rest to attack so they can focus on one target. Hmm... I have record for you, a game I just played now. Ladder game, cton. I kill everyone by 150B.C. No infighting between the others and no drops, just 4v1 where I kill them all. I don't know if it's record but it must be close.
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Post by tommynt on Jul 3, 2006 12:50:19 GMT -5
killing 4 others is no 4 vs 1 - u proly didnt fight 4 guys at once
I won once a 1 vs 2 gainst 2 decent known ladder players (I guess both 200+ reports and positive win%)- it was very hard and i d like to see some1 else doing it
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Post by tommynt on Jul 3, 2006 12:55:32 GMT -5
btw biggest problem in a 1 vs 2, 1 vs 3 or even 1 vs 4 is teching imo 2 dont have double tech - but eachs tech is 2/3 of normal I think so they start with 1,5 of the 1 guy - considering that the 1 gotta expand fast and build lot of military to kill (there s no way to outpoint 2 decent players) teching becomes really hard
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Post by miserymachine on Jul 3, 2006 14:37:29 GMT -5
They didn't have any time to fight each other! But I take your point, it's not the same thing. I more meant maybe record in terms of speed at killing everyone in a cton. Killing all 4 by 150 BC was probably my personal best so far. Don't know the players but they weren't n00bs, all seemed to know what they were doin for the most part and had higher ranks than me.
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Post by mrgametheory on Jul 3, 2006 14:45:18 GMT -5
actually tommy that is incorrect. The one player doesn't have the disadvantage in a 2v1 or 3v1 in terms of tec. The game automatically portions the tec to make it perfectly even. I think that 2v1 games in Ancient are significantly more difficult than any other era, Ren is by far the easiest era to do a 2v1 and the best maps are Hub, Ring, team battle ground 4 corners, inland sea. I have probably played way more 2v1's than any 5 people on ladder combined and I win alot of them. You all would be very surprised to see who is on that list of defeated 2v1 players
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Post by Elledge on Jul 3, 2006 14:47:26 GMT -5
Jesus, you went on to take down those others as quickly? I'm afraid I let down Misery by being the second to fall - had no metal or horses in my capital, and no metal even in sight, actually. The only horses around were right on the border of Misery's first target, who had jack all and died in about a turn to chariots, so my horse expansion city (blue rectangle) fell instantly as soon as the chariot armies took five seconds to look and see who else was around. Two more turns and I would have had 3 chariots, enough for a decent holdout, but my horses got cut two turns after I hooked them up, so I only had one. It went downhill from there.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jul 3, 2006 15:16:27 GMT -5
Well misery I was kind of impressed until I realised that Elledge was on e of the players, that guy's such a noob.
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Post by Elledge on Jul 3, 2006 15:32:16 GMT -5
LP I feel like such a dork because I lost a game like that and then this guy comes on the forums and makes me look like a clown for dying so fast and I made a careful post to try and defend myself from anyone who might think I lost because I suck balls and now you insulted me and I am crying right here all over my keyboard.
I'm going to take 2-megapixel blurry pictures of me dripping tears of sorrow onto my white desk and upload them to myspace so you can all share in my shame.
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Post by churchill1 on Jul 3, 2006 16:10:52 GMT -5
hehe I just think it's pretty funny that u felt so compelled to justify ur loss. Oh well. I expect I would do the same. And btw, I really don't see the appeal in 2v1s etc. There is no one who owns at this game so bad that they can't find some decent opposition. This kinda stuff is just showboating and imho doesn't actually prove a whole lot.
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Post by Tony on Jul 3, 2006 22:11:47 GMT -5
Winning 4v4v1 not that suprising/impressive IMO, this is why?
obviously the 4 dont bother with the 1 as they think they have bigger fish to fry, they fight each other, basiccly killing each others units.
Correct me if im wrong but its super easy to outtech 4 people in a 4v1 situation, because the techs are 4 times cheaper, and great people generally give the whole teach rather then a a small % of it. The great people thing is not shared between 4 people so a scientist for example can build a accadamy in your capital, the 4 would need 4 scientists to have the same percentage increase in science.
Add to that the fact that in teamers soo many people ingnore science/gold.
Add to this the most important factor of all, these were open players. You can kill ateaslt 2 civs often with the nooby ass trick of building just one big stack of catapults and axes. By the time you got to cavs i can almost garuntee they had longbows.
If you played 4v1 that would be super impressive, or the team would be unbelivably new, like just got the game this morning new. Think about it on turn 10 you would have 8 warriors on you!
I have played a couple of open game where my partner build settler off the bat, and basiclly dont contribute and i have still won, this says less about me and more about some open players.
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Post by Elledge on Jul 4, 2006 0:18:51 GMT -5
Correct me if im wrong but its super easy to outtech 4 people in a 4v1 situation, because the techs are 4 times cheaper... You're wrong. Techs are more expensive for the 4, but not 4 times more expensive. In my experience, they're probably 2.5 times or so more expensive for a team of 4; the 4 always have the advantage. (I'm 99% sure of this but I don't have hard numbers on it.)
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