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Post by TheBadSeed on Oct 29, 2007 2:27:58 GMT -5
Ok, I admit, I didnt even bother reading most of the posts in this forum, in fact, I didnt even bother reading a single one of them all the way through. Most were too disjointed to follow, happens anytime TGS writes, sadly. Just thought I'd point out a few things..
1. In 1960, the U.S. had the highest longevity rate in the world, longevity being the average human lifespan. Mostly because healthcare was a primary focus and concern among the United States citizens.
In the 70's, 80's, and 90's, Healthcare took a second seat to profiteering, and our standing among the top in the world declinded dramatically. In fact, today, even with the greatest wealth, and lowest instance of starvation in the world, our standing for longevity has dropped to 24th in the world. That, in my opinion, is the true measure of health care.
On a personal note, 4 years ago, on Thanksgiving, I took my daughter to the hospital for an emergency tonsilectomy, she had her tonsils and adnoids removed because of severe infection. Her total time under the knife was about 30 minutes, the total bill was over $25,000 dollars. Granted, I had insurance through my employer at the time, so my out of pocket expense was a mere $8,000. For a middle class working family, thats not exactly chump change.
2. Canadians, who have universal health care, run their health care system for 14 cents on the dollar of what it costs US citizens. Do they do this by magic? No. They have regulators who determine fair profit and charge for what they do. In fact, US drug makers sell their drugs cheaper to Canada (by more than 75% in many cases) than they do to the US, for the simple reason that Canada has a government negotiator that establishes a price that is acceptable to buyer and seller. While I'm a strong supporter of the market economy, it has to be acknowledged that the patent on new breakthroughs and patents on medicine are taking advantage of the market economy. When a drug is found that can save a life, does that mean you should be able to drain someone's life savings so they can have access to that drug? Canada, and all other countries with socialized medicine also focus a lot of their resources on preventative medicine. I cant tell you how many times I've refused to go to the doctor because I couldnt afford the deductible, when I probably should have gone. I dont think Im alone in that.
3. We're Americans, take PRIDE in that. We should be proud that the guys who clean the gutters have the same access to healthcare that the CEO's have. Its a human right, not a right of the wealthy. 90% of the wealthy in the world didnt get there by their own means, but by inheritance, and thats getting more and more every day. Dont just the poor working families to be less important than the rich.
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Post by DrShot on Oct 29, 2007 3:20:05 GMT -5
You Rang? Don't feel like you have been targeted as the victim. I thought thoroughly responses to all of your points was in order. I do not see that a 'picking' on someone ( get over or moveon.getoverit if you prefer ). Using [glow=blue,2,300]colors[/glow] is a nice way to illustrate and separate my reply to the questions posed, would you not agree? [glow=yellow,2,300] [/glow] Energy keeps us all on the move one way or another. [glow=black,2,300]Coal:[/glow] A great resource that has been used productively for generations. However, it has also been misused. There are several forms of " clean burning " coal. The coal itself it the same, the facilities that draw upon its power are modified. Simply do a google search on 'clean (burning) coal'. You will find many pro and anti- clean coal articles. There are always haters out there, for every topic. Consider the ones that come from grand sources, energy companies (Chevron), G.E. - BP and groups like that. Pause for a moment; if there is money to be made, and we know there is a lot in the field of providing energy, the large companies that already provide power are not going to be on the out side when a new method of an old resource comes along. These companies put a ton of money into R/D ( research and Development) not only for new ways to get more out of what they get, be it from the ground, the sun the wind or kinetic energy they also put a lot of funding into more efficient ways to harness the goods from the Earth (coal/oil in this case). Putting up a rig in the Bearing Sea is costly to build and maintain. Here is a very brief article, I did not read it in it's entity. The graph illustrates how the CC process works and a little chart of nations that derive what percentage of their power from coal. This may surprise you... news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4466040.stm[glow=green,2,300]Nuclear:[/glow] The story of near melt down at Three Mile Island, a million years ago, well, almost, has scarred many people that will never change their minds about nuclear energy. Has the US ever had a major incident in a nuclear power facility since the 3 mile ordeal in the '70's? Nothing comes to mind... Lets examine why nuclear power plants (NP's) are so taboo (thats what they really are after all). What is dangerous about a NP? Why do you say this? Is that conjecture? Is that hearsay, did someone 'tell' you it was why NP is wrong? What about the nuclear byproducts? How often do the power plants have to deal with them? How much is there? What do you do with it all? Reflect on the answers you had when you went through that list... Can you say for certain that any one reply is fact or merely what you have seen 'some guy on TV' say... a friend told you... perhaps it just seems to be the case. Do some research! You will find that almost all the groups, yea, the environmental ones that were crazy against NP a few decades ago now recommend, thats right recommend NP over all other power sources. Look up accident (safety)reports on nuclear plants (USA) within the last 20 years, I bet it is in the top ten for safest places to work for employees. Sources like wind and solar are nice but they are not cost effective. That simply means they take too long, if ever, to create a positive cash flow for the group that has invested the monies. Alternate car power sources? well, short of the new Tesla motors vehicle coming out soon, the Electric car is just not efficient. you want a range of well under 100 miles? You want to pay a lot more for the vehicle to compensate for the (again) R and D that has gone into this product? Well, I could go on and on but I'm going to sleep now. Oblivious might be a better name for you. You seem oblivious to any information presented to you, about any topic. There is no need for you to jump up and agree with everyone and everything you see or read, but do not cast the stone toward others lest we see you in that glass house. Please cite where 'you were right' and I would not agree with the information provided. Michael Moore is not nor will ever be a source for credible information so spare me that one plz...
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Post by DrShot on Oct 29, 2007 3:45:59 GMT -5
This about as close to a cureent political forum we have on this board... This email was sent to me today: AMAZING! > > Please forward to as many people as you know. WE NEED THIS INFORMATION > PASSED ON TO EVERY RED-BLOODED AMERICAN!!!!!! > > 33 Senators Voted Against English as America's Official Language on > June 6, 2007 > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:35:23 -0500, "Colonel Harry Riley USA ret" > wrote: > > Senators, > > Your vote against an amendment to the Immigration Bill 1348, to make > English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day no less when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock character and principles of America I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens. > > I don't much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether > you're black, white or some other color, male or female, democrat, republican or independent, but I do care when you're a United States Senator, representing citizens of America and vote against English as the official language of the United States > > Your vote reflects betrayal, political surrender, violates your pledge > of allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator... impeachment, recall, or other appropriate action is warranted. > > Worse, 4 of you voting against English as America's official language > are presidential candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, > Senator Dodd, and > Senator Obama. > > Those 4 Senators vying to lead America but won't or don't have the > courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's official language when 91% of American citizens want English officially designated as our language. > > This is the second time in the last several months this list of > Senators have disgraced themselves as political hacks... unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States. > > If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a back-lash so > stunning it will literally rock you out of your panties... and > preferably, totally out of the United States Senate. > > The entire immigration bill is a farce... your action only confirms > this really isn't about America; it's about self-serving politics... despicable at best. > > "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and > beat you with experience." ~ Anonymous > > The following senators voted against making English the official > language of America: > > Akaka (D-HI) > > Bayh (D-IN) > > Biden (D-DE) Wants to be President? > > Bingaman (D-NM) > > Boxer (D-CA) > > Cantwell (D-WA) > > Clinton (D-NY) Wants to be President? > > Dayton (D-MN) > > Dodd (D-CT) Wants to be President? > > Domenici (R-NM) Coward, protecting his Senate seat... > > Durbin (D-IL) > > Feingold (D-WI) Not unusual for him > > Feinstein (D-CA) > > Harkin (D-IA) > > Inouye (D-HI) > > Jeffords (I-VT) > > Kennedy (D-MA) > > Kerry (D-MA) Wanted to be President > > Kohl (D-WI) > > Lautenberg (D-NJ) > > Leahy (D-VT) > > Levin (D-MI) > > Lieberman (D-CT) Disappointment here..... > > Menendez (D-NJ) > > Mikulski (D-MD) > > Murray (D-WA) > > Obama (D-IL) Wants to be President? > > Reed (D-RI) > > Reid (D-NV) Senate Majority Leader > > Salazar (D-CO) > > Sarbanes (D-MD) > > Schumer (D-NY) > > Stabenow (D-M) > > "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage > morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged." > ~ President Abraham Lincoln " Amen " > > Please forward to as many people as you know. WE NEED THIS INFORMATION > PASSED ON TO EVERY RED-BLOODED AMERICAN!!!!!! ONE independent and one Rep. on the list, not too shocking about others...
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Post by Levi on Oct 29, 2007 9:48:52 GMT -5
Oblivion,
You cannot hope to have a rational discussion with a Republican like thegreatsatan. He is just a parrot of wingnut talking points. He will criticize your patriotism when you make a point he does not have a counter argument to. He is one of the children that Bush wasn't going to leave behind in the US education system. Unfortunately, he can't spell even the simplest words. It's amusing that the wingnuts want to make English the official language, but do not want to teach it to children like thegreatsatan. The French government made French the official language of France, and it has caused divisions even in an international chat room for a game like Civ.
The Republican party is falling apart and you can see it evidenced in the theoretic you see here. The Republicans are more concerned that an Hispanic American speak English instead of Spanish, but they aren't concerned if that same Hispanic American's children die from lack of healthcare. The Republican party claims to be pro-life, but when it comes to children's healthcare, they are really pro-death.
The Republican party is also pro-torture. I was raised to believe that Americans are the good guys, but currently, we are not the good guys. The Wingnuts will now bring my patriotism into question because they have no legitimate means by which to defend an indefensible position on torture.
Fortunately, the Republicans have virtually no chance to win the Presidency, and they will be lucky if they will even have a 1/3 minority in the House and the Senate. With time, Americans will have the ability to repair the damage the Republicans have caused to America and America's reputation abroad. With time, Americans will begin to pay off the huge debts the "fiscally conservative" Republicans have created.
When Ronald Regan began his revolution within the Republican party, he could never have dreamt, in his most horrid nightmare, the sickening ways his legacy is being abused.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 29, 2007 10:59:56 GMT -5
Nice posts doc. You list of senators that vote agaist english just falls on deaf ears. Making english the offical lang is pro-american in nature. All the senators in that list have nothing but contempt for the average americans. Other senators on that list states benfit from mexican illegal labor. I like how the libs have no real independent members. If your a liberal and you don't fallow the "hate america" party platform, they'll throw u over board like they tryed to do with Joe Leverman. Doc. The Liberals hate NP because NP would benifit america. Imagine the effect on the economy if energy was cheaper. The truth is that the liberals in washington are tied into the mining unions, keeping coal in play as long as possable. hi levi You cannot hope to have a rational discussion with a Republican like thegreatsatan. He is just a parrot of wingnut talking points. He will criticize your patriotism when you make a point he does not have a counter argument to. (I think I've had counter arguemnts to everything.) He is one of the children that Bush wasn't going to leave behind in the US education system. Unfortunately, he can't spell even the simplest words. It's amusing that the wingnuts want to make English the official language, but do not want to teach it to children like thegreatsatan. (lol) The French government made French the official language of France, and it has caused divisions even in an international chat room for a game like Civ. (French is being islamisized so they change there offical lang to aribic soon I bet. They wont fight to preserve there culture. If I was them, I wouldn't fight to preserve that crappy culture either.) The Republican party is falling apart and you can see it evidenced in the theoretic you see here. The Republicans are more concerned that an Hispanic American speak English instead of Spanish, but they aren't concerned if that same Hispanic American's children die from lack of healthcare. (Yep, free healthcare for all!!! come to america!!!! take all u want!! take and take and take!!!! then return to ur crap hole country with ur bootie!!! its the american dream. Unchecked imigration is harmful to america which is why the libs love it so much) The Republican party claims to be pro-life, but when it comes to children's healthcare, they are really pro-death. (Its the law, you have to treat people weather they got money or not. So saying the kids got no healthcare is a lie. Infact, mexicans sneek over the boarder just to access the free hospitol care.) The Republican party is also pro-torture. I was raised to believe that Americans are the good guys, but currently, we are not the good guys. The Wingnuts will now bring my patriotism into question because they have no legitimate means by which to defend an indefensible position on torture. (yup, he just said it. america is the bad guy. And what do you do to bad people? you punish them. Although like 0 people have died in american military prisons. Because we poor water on people, that makes the US worse then the guy strapping bombs onto kids and sending them into crowds. The secret on the left is, if we didn't torcher prisoners, or if it never got out that we did, they would just find the next thing down the list to point out how america is the bad guy. Nomatter what, liberals will "hate" america) Fortunately, the Republicans have virtually no chance to win the Presidency, and they will be lucky if they will even have a 1/3 minority in the House and the Senate. With time, Americans will have the ability to repair the damage the Republicans have caused to America and America's reputation abroad. With time, Americans will begin to pay off the huge debts the "fiscally conservative" Republicans have created. (You guys say this every year. I thought GW didnt have a chance agaist Kerry?) When Ronald Regan began his revolution within the Republican party, he could never have dreamt, in his most horrid nightmare, the sickening ways his legacy is being abused. (Ronald Regan did more for peace and freedom for humanity then any liberal I can think of. And RR liked america too)
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Post by whiplash on Oct 29, 2007 11:23:43 GMT -5
Back to the original topic:
We will never actually run out of oil. We will just run out of cheap oil. We have gathered the low hanging fruit.
D = P x Q x E
D = Annual change in Energy Production
P = Annual change in World Population
Q = Annual change in Quality of Life
E = Efficiency of Engergy Production
For D to be minus one of the variables on the right hand side of the = must be minus. There has been only one period in all of history where P was minus. There have been many times when Q was minus. E, abscent a technology breakthrough, will always be negative as we have reaped the low hanging fruit and we impose environmental (regulations) and economic (taxes) restrictions.
As the cost of energy increases due to increased production costs, Q will decrease as fewer people can afford the energy luxuries.
I'm an old fart. I remember when I was a kid almost no families having two cars and people burned only one light in the entire house during the evening, air conditioning was available only in movie theaters. We will be slowly moving back in that direction.
It's not a crisis. We just need to adjust.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 29, 2007 12:31:43 GMT -5
hi whip, that looks like math with letters. CrAzY man. The libs will say its not fair whip that only theaters have AC. Either AC for all, or AC for none. Weather you choose to work for it is irrelivent. If AC becomes rear, I bet the batchler pads with AC will be popular with the ladies. This will bring intevation in AC that u can't imagine. The power of a FREE man who is FREE to pursue there dreams, far exceeds the power of forced research. But what do I know, I'm just an republican parrot that can't spell. hi tbs Ok, I admit, I didnt even bother reading most of the posts in this forum, in fact, I didnt even bother reading a single one of them all the way through. Most were too disjointed to follow, happens anytime TGS writes, sadly. Just thought I'd point out a few things.. (people attack my writing, not my ideas. Typical liberal. You should be tollerent of me and my disrespect for your language.) 1. In 1960, the U.S. had the highest longevity rate in the world, longevity being the average human lifespan. Mostly because healthcare was a primary focus and concern among the United States citizens. In the 70's, 80's, and 90's, Healthcare took a second seat to profiteering, and our standing among the top in the world declinded dramatically. In fact, today, even with the greatest wealth, and lowest instance of starvation in the world, our standing for longevity has dropped to 24th in the world. That, in my opinion, is the true measure of health care. (cause fat people dont live as long as skinny healthy people. Just tax someone somewhere and say u fixed it) On a personal note, 4 years ago, on Thanksgiving, I took my daughter to the hospital for an emergency tonsilectomy, she had her tonsils and adnoids removed because of severe infection. Her total time under the knife was about 30 minutes, the total bill was over $25,000 dollars. Granted, I had insurance through my employer at the time, so my out of pocket expense was a mere $8,000. For a middle class working family, thats not exactly chump change. ($8000 grand, wow! Tell me, would they have done the operation if u didnt pay the 8 G? Or even if u had no insurence? would they just of let your daughter die?) 2. Canadians, who have universal health care, run their health care system for 14 cents on the dollar of what it costs US citizens. Do they do this by magic? No. They have regulators who determine fair profit and charge for what they do. In fact, US drug makers sell their drugs cheaper to Canada (by more than 75% in many cases) than they do to the US, for the simple reason that Canada has a government negotiator that establishes a price that is acceptable to buyer and seller. While I'm a strong supporter of the market economy, it has to be acknowledged that the patent on new breakthroughs and patents on medicine are taking advantage of the market economy. When a drug is found that can save a life, does that mean you should be able to drain someone's life savings so they can have access to that drug? Canada, and all other countries with socialized medicine also focus a lot of their resources on preventative medicine. I cant tell you how many times I've refused to go to the doctor because I couldnt afford the deductible, when I probably should have gone. I dont think Im alone in that. (The drug companys would just love huge med contracts that garentee that they sell a # of drugs per year(universal healthcare). Without the compition, they don't have to waste money expanding or improving. They'll just milk the contracts. and if something goes wrong, who do u sue? the goverment? ha!) 3. We're Americans, take PRIDE in that. We should be proud that the guys who clean the gutters have the same access to healthcare that the CEO's have. Its a human right, not a right of the wealthy. 90% of the wealthy in the world didnt get there by their own means, but by inheritance, and thats getting more and more every day. Dont just the poor working families to be less important than the rich. (The % of rich vs poor is consistant threw history. Infact, everywhere u go on earth, there are poor people & rich people.)
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 29, 2007 12:42:53 GMT -5
Sure, if you get shot, for example, you can be emitted to the E.R. and have surgery. But somebody's got to pay for it, and if you don't have insurance... If you can't pay, it just goes on your credit report. But med bills aren't to big a deal on ur credit. I would know
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Post by Levi on Oct 29, 2007 21:06:53 GMT -5
What is this fascination Republicans have for putting everything on your credit? You need major surgery but can't afford it? Put it on your credit! You need to finance a war? Put it on the nations credit! Lets just bankrupt the individual and the country, it won't matter!
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 29, 2007 22:54:39 GMT -5
What is this fascination Republicans have for putting everything on your credit? You need major surgery but can't afford it? Put it on your credit! You need to finance a war? Put it on the nations credit! Lets just bankrupt the individual and the country, it won't matter! what i mean is it goes on your credit report as not payed. Making it harder to get credit. but med bills arent to bad on credit report unless u got a ton on there. we as american's should use as much credit as we can. and when we run out, we'll just tax the rich to pay for it. after all, it ain't fair that my car can't have a 1000 watt system and your can.
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Post by whiplash on Oct 30, 2007 8:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by Levi on Oct 30, 2007 9:35:45 GMT -5
Thats a great story Whip. I am glad to know that there are other countries in the world who have leaders as stupid as Bush and the GOP.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 30, 2007 11:18:25 GMT -5
lol, this is funny. I don't think it compares to Bush in anyway. Its more like the fake fema press confrence. But I bet you think that story hurts America somehow, and thats why you like it. I'm surprized you haven't blamed Bush for this yet.
In that day, the Lord will punish with His sword, His fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; He will slay the monster of the sea. Isaiah 27:1
is the serpent = america? is america the monster from the sea? You hoping "god" punishes america with his mighty sword? I thought you where a druid. I bet there are tons of things in Isajah you would dissagree with.
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Post by MMV on Oct 30, 2007 14:21:28 GMT -5
If she were a real spirit-medium, she would have known that she would be caught, when, where, and left the country. Since she's clearly dumber than a rock - she should support Hillary (at least Bill and Hillary LEFT the area after stealing everything they could from the white house) Yes, DEFINATELY a democrat this woman - if she were republican, she'd have gotten into defense contracting, lol! As a republican, she would have figured out a tax-break for her earnings As a democrat, she'd have to pay 75% of it into taxes
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Post by DrShot on Oct 30, 2007 19:08:49 GMT -5
There is one pattern that has held true this entire thread. Every time there is a reply from someone left of center the basis of their retort is a personal attack. The farther from center the more personal the attack. The farther from center the attack the less accountability and documentation there is to coincide with any comment(s) made. Everything is to be simply taken as fact, because oblivion or Levi has spoken. This is sickening; continual attacks on TGS, so he against abortion and spell checkers, thats HIS choice! I agree with almost everything he says, I do not find his writings to be disjointed, I find his opinions usually presented in the frame that they are opinions, his facts are usually sourced as well. Why the personal attacks, that seems to be the common ground for the ignorant, those lacking a true knowledge base to compile an intelligent (or at least under the guise of one) reply. Levi, this is an especially pleasant intro ( referring to oblivionn): "You cannot hope to have a rational discussion with a Republican like thegreatsatan" Do you mean because he makes sound non complicated statements? Do you mean because his spelling displeases you? Do you mean because because oblivionn is only 13 and cannot get out from the shadow of the liberal hit and run tactics. Do not make counter arguments, just slander and move on. Do you mean, and I believe this to be the case for both of you, because you have not the faintest idea what a ' rational' discussion is about. Perhaps you were passed through the liberal education system too fast? Education? I live in Nevada, a gambling state, a huge amount of money from gaming goes to the schools. Nevada, look it up, they have one of the worst ranks, nationally for teen drop outs, test scores and a few other desirable categories. Having full coffers does not assure a good education. If one is not willing to learn, they never will. This my way or the highway attitude is tiresome. Why do we have to agree with you always or we are just plain wrong. I f we are wrong, please, offer some evidence, the more cross referenced the better, to show where we(me?) have one astray. Unadulterated name calling and abuse is really low class. You know why the media always talks about Bush's poll's (they are agreeably low, yet it is a 'wartime' period). Have you ever heard a story about the Presidents polls when they went up, yes, recently they have several times? Of course not. OK, I'll tell ya what, now go check out the Polls for the same time frame for Congress, you will see numbers considerably worse. Did you know that, unlikely as that is a story that will never hit the press( maybe the Washington Post ). Stop the Entitlements! Health care is NOT an inalienable right! Yea, fat people tend to die a lot sooner than healthier people. Do your polls on longevity factor in war time, murder rates and other non 'natural' causes? Did you simply 'hear' this or did kinda, not really (admit tingly) read that article as well, TBS? I do agree, US is not the mecca of health care that it once stood for, but why; is it from our stagnation or others moving up to suitable levels wheres they were still in the medical dark ages? With any theory or stat there can often be many sides to view and thus form opinions. Folks, please, cross reference and multi source your data so you do not come in here sounding like an ignorant fool. If that is too much to ask I reckon you could just hurl insults and call people ' wing nuts' Levi, you would surely add some credibility to anything you say by toning down the personal attacks. Then again, you may not have anything else to talk about.
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Post by DrShot on Oct 30, 2007 19:25:21 GMT -5
Of course! I knew I had heard it somewhere befor... "i`m gonna call up some hard pipe hitting Republicans to go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch", "do you here me mr soon to be living the rest of his short ass life in agonizing pain punk rapist here,do you here me hillbilly boy,i`m gonna get med-evil on your a$$"
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Oct 30, 2007 21:15:02 GMT -5
Lots of info in here guys. Just wanted to clarify a simple issue. I'm a born and bred Albertan (Alberta's a province in Canada, kinda like a REALLY BIG STATE) and work in financing/banking in Calgary.
The reason for expensive gas at the pump up here is due to the combination of taxes (yes) but also the fact that our very own resource here is sent to the western US for processing from raw oil into gasoline. The prices all over Canada vary quite greatly according to expenses related to where the oil processing is done.
Although our tax burden would appear to be quite high, there are a ton of ways to get that tax money back. Registered Retirement Savings Plans, deductions for health expenses, transit passes, low income, pension income, baby bonuses.... the list goes on and on.
My daily work routine involves helping ordinary Canadians plan for their future, achieve comfortable retirement goals, and minimize taxes along the way. I've seen them cradle to grave and my observation is that regardless of the government in power, we get some very good stuff from our gov and pay for it from our pockets.
Now I'll go back to trying to convince everyone to play UltraQuickFinalFrontierOCC...
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Post by DrShot on Oct 30, 2007 22:44:00 GMT -5
Now I'll go back to trying to convince everyone to play UltraQuickFinalFrontierOCC... Yea, get the hell outa here! This is our thread.
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Post by marr on Oct 31, 2007 8:41:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I did some digging, (Wasn't to hard I suppose) Got a report from 2005, still roughly the same tho today: Oil broken up from the point of the consumer standing at the pump: 35% Taxes 47% Crude Costs 16% Refining costs The rest is profit www.petro-canada.ca/en/media/296.aspxYour right Bop, It goes south to get refined from the crude and shipped back up here. Cheaper for us to outsource it I guess. Then again, I have no idea really. I lost the link, but I saw a map with US taxes MMV. Can't believe its quite the contrast like that on a state level when it comes to taxes. @ Dr. Shot, I didn't realize someone was taking over for me, or even how. I haven't made one statement into American politics except to inquire if the label of 'Liberal' was a universal one, mainly meaning the right and left, or if it was simply an American euphisism. I don't live in America, its not my place to say what works down there or not. I like going to the doctor, getting a checkup and not having to pay for it. I like knowing I can go to the hospital if I need surgery and not have to pay for it. I like my medications regulated in prices. Its a good system and its not based upon entitlement. No one is ever turned away from the hospitals, our doctors don't get sued, our insurance companys don't make a killing in Canada as our law system isn't as litigitaged in civil suits as is some other countries. I am not saying Canada is the best, but I am very happy with the direction were heading. We can only get richer, we are paying off our deficit and our economy can only get stronger as we have so much damn land to grow into. I invite openly anyone from anyother country to come to Canada and the first thing you will find is that we are a humble people. We aren't overly patriotic, slightly complacent withourselves but we make it up with a quiet pride in our multinational bi lingual country. The only minority in Canada is the ones who don't feel comfortable in a divirsified country in every facet. Our church is seperated from our government, we are moving forward in modern thinking, (Marijuana, Abortion, Stem Cell, Freedom of the Internet. etc) @ Cryptococcus: Toned down enough? @ Whiplash Quote from the link: “It’s an outlandish story but the people in government who believed this are the same ones who believe that Mugabe’s official policy of printing money will end inflation,” said an economist, who requested anonymity." Unquote Who cares how much money he gave her, he can just print more. If I was him I would print enough money to pay off my countries deficit and pay it off in cash. All in five dollar bills to! Original Link www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article2748936.eceSeriously tho, thanks for all the insight into my question!
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Post by Levi on Oct 31, 2007 9:59:58 GMT -5
@ Dr. Shot, I didn't realize someone was taking over for me, or even how. I haven't made one statement into American politics except to inquire if the label of 'Liberal' was a universal one, mainly meaning the right and left, or if it was simply an American euphisism. I don't live in America, its not my place to say what works down there or not. "Liberal" is a term derived from the word liberty. In the past, Democrats (the left) in America referred to themselves as liberals to differentiate themselves from the Republican party (the right), which does not favor personal liberty. In the last ten years or so, the Republicans have launched a media blitz to make the term "liberal" carry negative connotations. In today's America, anyone that is not a die hard Republican is labeled as a "liberal", and they spit out the word "liberal" with malice and hatred. The Republican party has been very effective in taking a positive word, like "liberal", and spinning it in a negative way. They have been so effective, Democrats and Independents now refer to themselves as "progressives" instead of "liberals". I personally like the term "progressive" for Democrats and Independents because it implies that the Republicans are "regressives". I think what you observed in this thread was typical for an American Republican. Anyone that does not hold to their philosophy is labeled a "liberal". Even someone from another country who has nothing to do with American politics. Even someone who might agree with 90% of the Republican platform. It is commonplace for America's radical right to label anyone that disagrees with them as a liberal, and then to discount anything they might say, no matter how salient, simply because they have been labeled as a liberal. It's very similar to what the Nazi party did in Germany prior to and during WW2. If you did not follow Nazi dogma 100%, then you were an enemy of the motherland. This is what is happening in American politics right now and it scares the hell out of me.
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