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Post by marr on Oct 27, 2007 20:57:00 GMT -5
Not sure if I can expect an answer to this; but, I will ask anyways.
Now that the Canadian dollar has reached parity with Americas, why are Canadians paying a dollar more at the pumps per gallon?
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Post by MMV on Oct 27, 2007 21:15:10 GMT -5
taxes
(you know, for that FREE medical care up there)
and just so you now, in the US, it also varies from state to state
Where I live is 1.00 per gallon cheaper than in california (on average)
(there are federal taxes, state taxes, city/county/local taxes)
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Post by DrShot on Oct 27, 2007 22:38:52 GMT -5
taxes (you know, for that FREE medical care up there) and just so you now, in the US, it also varies from state to state Where I live is 1.00 per gallon cheaper than in california (on average) (there are federal taxes, state taxes, city/county/local taxes) Ironic, where you live they average one finger per person more than California, too.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 27, 2007 22:41:29 GMT -5
Last time I looked Canada had a ton of oil n stuff. You would think they would have cheap gas. I'm sure everyone who is anyone in Canada has there hand in that cookie jar. The larger the goverment the more corrupt it becomes.
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 28, 2007 0:26:59 GMT -5
Well I'd definitly rather pay a buck more for gas to provide universal healthcare and such. It kind of makes people think twice about driving their 12 mile a gallon pickup(by themselves with nothing in the back) to work and wherever else they feel like going. Oil is needed to make vitually every product that exists, and is involved in a lot more than cars, sadly. Some of these things could be reduced or eliminated if people would just think practically. A lot of people work in the city and don't travel much other than that. TAKE THE SUBWAY/LIGHTRAIL. Get an electric car or at least a hybrid, if you must have a car. I'd say 95% of the people who own a pickup simply don't need one- same with SUVs. If you have an SUV, put some people in there. 18 mpg with one person is just 18 mpg. But 18 mpg with 7 people is 126 mpg(See my thinking there?). Mass transit would seriously cut the problem by a TON. The light rail would eliminate the transit problem entirely. If they would just expand it past downtown... Well, that won't happen because too many people are idiots . Good Idea in Theory though, IMO. People may not realize it, but there are people in poverty without healthcare, a home, food, etc. right here in the U.S. Honestly, I'd rather help them out than make my pickup cheaper to drive. And that is one of the big differences between the U.S. and Canada. The U.S.' government could frankly care less about its people on the streets, whereas Canada can at least take decent care of them. Here's something off topic- www.gnn.tv/articles/1915/UPDATED_50_Cent_the_War_Profiteer_and_the_10_million_Bat_Mitzvah"Support Our Troops" my ass. These are the people that give Republicans, and for that matter, the entire U.S. a bad name. What an *******- putting our soldiers' lives at risk so he can party it up with 50 cent and Aerosmith. Feel free to criticize, because I know you will.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 28, 2007 2:33:59 GMT -5
Well I'd definitly rather pay a buck more for gas to provide universal healthcare and such. (the more people in the system the worse it gets. A doller more for gas is just the begining) It kind of makes people think twice about driving their 12 mile a gallon pickup(by themselves with nothing in the back) to work and wherever else they feel like going. (if you had a real job, you'de understand) Oil is needed to make vitually every product that exists, and is involved in a lot more than cars, sadly. (we burn it for power plants because libs block nuke development) Some of these things could be reduced or eliminated if people would just think practically. A lot of people work in the city and don't travel much other than that. TAKE THE SUBWAY/LIGHTRAIL. Get an electric car or at least a hybrid, if you must have a car. (if we just get all the little people on to little cars and little trains, we don't have to pay for expantion) I'd say 95% of the people who own a pickup simply don't need one- same with SUVs. (you would like to mandate what the little people can drive) If you have an SUV, put some people in there. 18 mpg with one person is just 18 mpg. But 18 mpg with 7 people is 126 mpg(See my thinking there?). (just dictate that little people with SUVs must share them) Mass transit would seriously cut the problem by a TON. The light rail would eliminate the transit problem entirely. If they would just expand it past downtown... (if only the little people would ride the little trains) Well, that won't happen because too many people are idiots . Good Idea in Theory though, IMO. (modern life is complex.... ass) People may not realize it, but there are people in poverty without healthcare, a home, food, etc. right here in the U.S. Honestly, I'd rather help them out than make my pickup cheaper to drive. (you can make pickups cheaper to drive? now I'm interested) And that is one of the big differences between the U.S. and Canada. The U.S.' government could frankly care less about its people on the streets, whereas Canada can at least take decent care of them. (lol) Here's something off topic- www.gnn.tv/articles/1915/UPDATED_50_Cent_the_War_Profiteer_and_the_10_million_Bat_Mitzvah(idc) "Support Our Troops" my ass. These are the people that give Republicans, and for that matter, the entire U.S. a bad name. What an *******- putting our soldiers' lives at risk so he can party it up with 50 cent and Aerosmith. (don't act like u care about the soldiers. just admit you hate America and you want to see a global communist goverment. but with any luck, I guy like me could be the dictator. It might not be all bad then) Feel free to criticize, because I know you will. (yup, I did. feel free to respond)
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 28, 2007 9:46:56 GMT -5
"If you had a real job, you'd understand."
...OK, what would my real job be? Maybe if you need to haul some stuff every day, that would be okay. But my point is, when you're driving down the road, most people have nothing in the back and are driving alone. If you only need a pickup 1% of the time, use the company car. Or perhaps rent one. But why should you do 99% of your driving with a vehicle you only need 1% of the time?
Oil for every product- I was referring not to the power plants, because those are mostly coal. I was referring especially to plastic, but other things as well. Your cell phone has plastic, your TV, your polyester hoodie. Almost everything. Even if it doesn't have oil in it, I bet oil was used to make or transport it(Tractors, Semis).
As far as mandating what people drive, no I'm not. I just see people being idiots. I have a relative who drives a Lexus 470 by herself everyday. It's HUGE and she simply doesn't need it. That's what I'm saying- if people had some common sense... But I'm not going to dictate what they drive. Like I said, too many people are idiots.
Making your pickup cheaper to drive- that's what MMV said, isn't it?(Honestly I don't know if that's true, all I'm saying is if it is, then here's what I think)
But you're heartless if you'd rather have cheaper gas while people are starving on the streets and dying of diseases that could be treated if they just had a doctor.
Lastly, how could you not care about that story??!
You're okay with it if our troops are dying because some ************ sold them ****** flak jackets and made a buck off of it??? He's paying for his own private party with our soldiers' blood, come on, how are you okay with that??
I'm sick of you saying I hate America and that I'm a communist. I would not be saying these things if I hated America, because they are ways America could improve.
The only communist thing I said there was universal health care, and if you don't want that, you're heartless, really. You would be the one who only cares about yourself, not me, because people would be dying while you drive your pickup to your upper-middle class home and eat caviar for dinner. Well, maybe not to that extent, but definitely part of it.
Do you realize you've just said you don't give a **** about our soldiers' lives and the lives of people on the streets? You don't care about that article, and you said "The more people in the system the worse it gets." I'm inferring from that statement that you want to exclude as many people as possible from the system so you get your **** cheaper while they can go live on the streets or perhaps fight your oil war for you? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by MMV on Oct 28, 2007 12:09:30 GMT -5
Please cut/paste where I said that
(that, or learn to read, it helps a lot in forum discussions)
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 28, 2007 12:14:27 GMT -5
"If you had a real job, you'd understand."
...OK, what would my real job be? Maybe if you need to haul some stuff every day, that would be okay. But my point is, when you're driving down the road, most people have nothing in the back and are driving alone. If you only need a pickup 1% of the time, use the company car. Or perhaps rent one. But why should you do 99% of your driving with a vehicle you only need 1% of the time?
(some people can only afford 1 car. so they get a car/truck that does everything they will need it to do. Besides, its none of your bussiness that 99% of the time its empty. Why don't u just dig down to the commie roots and come out for banning cars u don't think the little people should have.)
Oil for every product- I was referring not to the power plants, because those are mostly coal. I was referring especially to plastic, but other things as well. Your cell phone has plastic, your TV, your polyester hoodie. Almost everything. Even if it doesn't have oil in it, I bet oil was used to make or transport it(Tractors, Semis).
(there is a ton of oil on earth. I bet canada could reduce there carbon foot print a ton if they built nuke power plants. But to many libs involved in the coal lobby. Goes to show how the libs will bow to the unions.)
As far as mandating what people drive, no I'm not. I just see people being idiots. I have a relative who drives a Lexus 470 by herself everyday. It's HUGE and she simply doesn't need it. That's what I'm saying- if people had some common sense... But I'm not going to dictate what they drive. Like I said, too many people are idiots.
(the stupid little people. why not just dictate what they can drive if they are so dumb. It sounds like they need a smart guy like you to dictate to them what is and ins't ok.)
Making your pickup cheaper to drive- that's what MMV said, isn't it?(Honestly I don't know if that's true, all I'm saying is if it is, then here's what I think)
But you're heartless if you'd rather have cheaper gas while people are starving on the streets and dying of diseases that could be treated if they just had a doctor.
(Free healthcare? how can that be bad? You get what you pay for. You wanna take a private system that works for most and drive it into the ground so it doesn't work for any.)
Lastly, how could you not care about that story??!
You're okay with it if our troops are dying because some ************ sold them ****** flak jackets and made a buck off of it??? He's paying for his own private party with our soldiers' blood, come on, how are you okay with that??
(was it Diane Finestine's husband, the war contractor, sell those? You just gotta understand that they hate America. Thats why they sold them bad vest)
I'm sick of you saying I hate America and that I'm a communist. I would not be saying these things if I hated America, because they are ways America could improve.
(Whats more communist then taking an open market system of healthcare. Which is the best in the world, and turning it into a DMV for hospitol care. America was built on hard work, not entitlement. Your just another tipical liberal that thinks other people should be forced to buy you stuff. Nothing is more anti-American then that)
The only communist thing I said there was universal health care, and if you don't want that, you're heartless, really. You would be the one who only cares about yourself, not me, because people would be dying while you drive your pickup to your upper-middle class home and eat caviar for dinner. Well, maybe not to that extent, but definitely part of it.
(that upper middle class home I bought? with my money? Its not fair that I have a house and others don't. Why not come out for unversal housing? Hell, why stop there? why not offer univeral everything? Don't be heartless. Let your inner America hating commie out.)
Do you realize you've just said you don't give a **** about our soldiers' lives and the lives of people on the streets? You don't care about that article, and you said "The more people in the system the worse it gets." I'm inferring from that statement that you want to exclude as many people as possible from the system so you get your **** cheaper while they can go live on the streets or perhaps fight your oil war for you? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
(uh, the more **** that gets sold(for money, not givin or stolen) the more prophit the sellers make. The more that gets made, the cheaper the **** becomes. As for the war for oil, I guess we lost cause the oil ain't here)
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 28, 2007 13:27:11 GMT -5
"taxes
(you know, for that FREE medical care up there)"
You said gas is more expensive because of healthcare. I'm saying the converse of that- Cheaper gas because of the lack of universal healthcare. Okay?
TGS- Like I said, people(Like you, it appears) are too stupid to admit they're wrong and change.
There is a lot of oil on the earth- about 40 years left(estimate)
But there is WAY more coal- 250 years left(estimate)
Although, we are using oil a lot faster than coal.
We could just build a ton of solar collecters in Arizona, New Mexico, or some other sunny place. Problem with that is that is it might affect some animals' habitats. I'm sure there are other problems, you will fill me in on that, I'm sure.
Nuke power plants would be okay if they didn't create hazerdous waste. And there's also the possibility of meltdown...
If you only use your pickup 1% of the time, it would probably be cheaper anyway to get a car and just rent it when you need it. Or use the company car.
I'm saying the taxes should increase proportionatly the more money you make. So the filthy rich would be taking care of their country instead of destroying it, like that story I showed you. But poor people would pay no taxes at all- if they can barely take care of their families, they don't need to take a further pay cut. It's communist, sure- but what's so bad about it? All I'm trying to do is eliminate poverty. Those are the values of communism that I like. You seem to focus on the bad parts and keep in denial of the good parts.
Our healthcare system is the best in the world? Show me.
And the more **** gets sold, the cheaper it gets? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The bigger the demand, the lower the supply, and thus a bigger price? Just look at the oil prices. Are they getting smaller?
Read that other thread I started- #3. They only care about money. Put yourself in the shoes of the poor, then I bet you'd want universal healthcare, and the right to food and water.
There is no changing you, you will always argue with me. You refuse to believe any ideas but the ones in America.
I think you were raised Republican. You were brainwashed and now it's too late. There are some good parts of Conservatism, but you refuse to listen to anything else. So I guess it's like talking to a wall here. Too bad.
You, MMV, DrShot, etc. will not listen to me and will always criticize me. Again, too bad- just sharing my ideas, but it's pointless I guess.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 28, 2007 15:08:01 GMT -5
"taxes
(you know, for that FREE medical care up there)"
(only 50% of the country pay federal taxes. Of the money collected, the top 10% pay 63% of the burden. and the top 50% of wage earners pay 96%. So yes, it is something for nothing. Thats why its so popular with liberals.)
You said gas is more expensive because of healthcare. I'm saying the converse of that- Cheaper gas because of the lack of universal healthcare. Okay?
(If we only got 40years of oil left, your plan won't work for that long. Better find something else to tax. Like fast food, or tobaccoo. No, wait, I got it. Tax Imports. Make China pay for your healthcare.)
TGS- Like I said, people(Like you, it appears) are too stupid to admit they're wrong and change.
(Where did I go wrong. I respond to every arguement you make. I think I'm doin pretty good too. I never claimed to be smart either. I will decide when I need to change. I don't need commie libs dictating to me how to live my life.)
There is a lot of oil on the earth- about 40 years left(estimate)
(They've been sayin this forever. They just keep finding more. The earths crust is 60 miles thick. The deepest humans have drilled is like 5 miles. But I maybe wrong. Levi, can hook u up on the little facts)
But there is WAY more coal- 250 years left(estimate)
(And u libs would burn it all before building nuke plants. Hell, even france has mostly nuke power.)
Although, we are using oil a lot faster than coal.
We could just build a ton of solar collecters in Arizona, New Mexico, or some other sunny place. Problem with that is that is it might affect some animals' habitats. I'm sure there are other problems, you will fill me in on that, I'm sure.
(Another liberal dream. Tell me, are the chemicals involved with solor power bio friendly to make? I know batteries aren't. There is a reason there aren't solar collectors everywhere u go)
Nuke power plants would be okay if they didn't create hazerdous waste. And there's also the possibility of meltdown...
(U rather risk burning millions of tons of coal each year. Coal itself has 1 part urainum per million or so. Libs are tied into mining unions. Thats why we still got coal even though nukes are better in every way)
If you only use your pickup 1% of the time, it would probably be cheaper anyway to get a car and just rent it when you need it. Or use the company car.
("Use the company car" lol. Typical liberal. cause its free right? what if I just like the convenence of having a truck. Its my choice. For now atleast)
I'm saying the taxes should increase proportionatly the more money you make. So the filthy rich would be taking care of their country instead of destroying it, like that story I showed you. But poor people would pay no taxes at all- if they can barely take care of their families, they don't need to take a further pay cut. It's communist, sure- but what's so bad about it? All I'm trying to do is eliminate poverty. Those are the values of communism that I like. You seem to focus on the bad parts and keep in denial of the good parts.
(this is a horrable idea. Its what America has now. What you need is a system that has one flat tax for all. And if you wanna throw the "i want stuff for free" crowd a bone, you make it so every citizen gets a tax rebate each month)
Our healthcare system is the best in the world? Show me.
(All the best doctors are here. You don't see people running to canada to get treated for major stuff)
And the more **** gets sold, the cheaper it gets? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The bigger the demand, the lower the supply, and thus a bigger price? Just look at the oil prices. Are they getting smaller?
(The bigger the oil companys get, the cheaper they can deliver thier product. The more they make, the better the market does. The better the market does, the more the oil companys make)
Read that other thread I started- #3. They only care about money. Put yourself in the shoes of the poor, then I bet you'd want universal healthcare, and the right to food and water.
(Sounds like the Fergangi from star trek. Being poor is a state of mind. You can do anything you want in life. Everyone has hard times. Its the hard times that make you tuff. Hell, I've lived out of an old Jeep for a while back in the day.)
There is no changing you, you will always argue with me. You refuse to believe any ideas but the ones in America.
(ideas? u mean communism? Thats the oldest idea ever. It dont "work" because liberals don't "work". They'll use slaves n stuff to prop up there goverments, but they will never compete with the hearts of free men)
I think you were raised Republican. You were brainwashed and now it's too late. There are some good parts of Conservatism, but you refuse to listen to anything else. So I guess it's like talking to a wall here. Too bad.
(I bet you where raised by commie libs who brainwashed you into believing that you're so special, other people should pay for stuff for you. Guess ur luckey they choose life eh? What are those good parts of concervitism? in your opinion?)
You, MMV, DrShot, etc. will not listen to me and will always criticize me. Again, too bad- just sharing my ideas, but it's pointless I guess.
(I don't aim to criticize u. I like the FREEDOM to debate these ideas without fear of the PC police. You will never convence me to give people my fish when they could of went fishing themselfs but "choose" not too. As for MMV,Shot, and whiplash. These guys are cool, smart, and spell good. They all way more edicated then me)
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Post by MMV on Oct 28, 2007 15:57:10 GMT -5
I can see that oblivionn has taken over for Marr
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 28, 2007 17:51:50 GMT -5
MMV, I can't speak for marr- he only asked a question about gasoline. All I'm doing is having a pointless argument with TGS (and you, to some extent). It doesn't have much to do with the thread at all. Sorry. Now on to the pointless arguement... What plan are you referring to about the oil? I was only talking about the car you drive when I called you stupid. Not neccesarily your other arguements. You don't even care so I'm not going to try to convince you. Yes, we keep finding more oil. But sooner or later, it WILL run out, even if it's not in your lifetime. Then we'll have a problem. I don't want to burn coal. I assume you don't care... but did you see "Planet in Peril" on CNN? It pollutes so much it's rediculous. That's why I suggested the Solar Power Plants, but you don't care... Are the Chemicals Bio-Friendly? A hell of a lot more friendly than radioactive waste that will take hundreds of thousands of years to decay. There was one solar plant I heard about that heated up salt and used it to heat water. Seems friendly enough, but I'm sure our friend DrShot will be correcting me shortly. Communism is a new idea. Capitalism/Facism is the old idea. Like Rome. I think that was called an oligarchy- I will be criticized, but w/e. Communism was only invented in the last 100 years or so, I think. Good points of Conservatism? Fiscal Responsibility Patriotism Preservation of heritage (This is sometimes, but not always, good) Family Basically, they favor change slowly rather than quickly. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. There are other parts of it... but those are some. I don't hate conservatives in general, but the radicals who abuse these principles basically so they can make money and/or gain popularity. Like Bush. The Patriot Act doesn't sound so patriotic to me. That was congress, not Bush though. But he did approve it. -I'm sure I will be corrected. Let's see... what else... One of my parents is a Liberal, yes. The other is a Conservative. They got divorced. The conservative lives in an upper-middle class home, the lib lives in a lower-middle class one. The lib works blue collar, the conservative doesn't work at all. So I haven't been brainwashed because I've been exposed to both worlds. I'm one of the lucky ones, I guess. I'm not poor, as you seem to think. I just believe the poverty shouldn't exist. I personally don't think those guys are very cool, but that's just my opinion. MMV seems to ignore the vast majority of my post and just picks out anything I say about him. Whiplash has never responded at all. DrShot criticizes every single thing I say, even if it's right. We'll see what he says about this. Not like you guys care, but here's another article. www.truthout.org/docs_2006/102607K.shtml
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 28, 2007 18:10:26 GMT -5
Also, just because we have the best doctors doesn't mean we have the best healthcare. If you live in poverty, it doesn't matter if they're good or not- you can't afford it.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 28, 2007 19:07:11 GMT -5
MMV, I can't speak for marr- he only asked a question about gasoline. All I'm doing is having a pointless argument with TGS (and you, to some extent). It doesn't have much to do with the thread at all. Sorry.
Now on to the pointless arguement...
(let the games begin)
What plan are you referring to about the oil?
(I was talkin about the gas tax to pay for healthcare.)
I was only talking about the car you drive when I called you stupid. Not neccesarily your other arguements. You don't even care so I'm not going to try to convince you.
(You where also talking about making gas more expence to pay for national healthcare. but convence away...)
Yes, we keep finding more oil. But sooner or later, it WILL run out, even if it's not in your lifetime. Then we'll have a problem.
(hopefully we'll have intersteller travel by the time we run out of oil. or atleast the electric car should work by then. maybe even the flying car ;D)
I don't want to burn coal. I assume you don't care... but did you see "Planet in Peril" on CNN? It pollutes so much it's rediculous. That's why I suggested the Solar Power Plants, but you don't care...
(I think burning coal is lame. its 2007. Time to kick coal aside. I don't know if u read my responce right. I was blaming libs tied into unions for keeping coal in the USA)
Are the Chemicals Bio-Friendly? A hell of a lot more friendly than radioactive waste that will take hundreds of thousands of years to decay. There was one solar plant I heard about that heated up salt and used it to heat water. Seems friendly enough, but I'm sure our friend DrShot will be correcting me shortly.
(ya, i need some smart people to help me here. i know there is a battery plant near canada that has a huge dead zone around it where they test the space rovers.)
Communism is a new idea. Capitalism/Facism is the old idea. Like Rome. I think that was called an oligarchy- I will be criticized, but w/e. Communism was only invented in the last 100 years or so, I think.
(mankind has been trying to make communist style utopia's for the longest time. Its just that they always fail so you never hear about them)
Good points of Conservatism?
Fiscal Responsibility (a liberal weakness?) Patriotism (liberals hate america) Preservation of heritage (This is sometimes, but not always, good) (liberals want to tear down anything they see as non PC) Family (liberals have familys. you mean my dad, my dad, me, and my 8 other adopted little brothers?)
Basically, they favor change slowly rather than quickly. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. There are other parts of it... but those are some.
(liberals just wanna start dictating as soon as they get power)
I don't hate conservatives in general, but the radicals who abuse these principles basically so they can make money and/or gain popularity. Like Bush. The Patriot Act doesn't sound so patriotic to me. That was congress, not Bush though. But he did approve it. -I'm sure I will be corrected.
(no terrorism sence 9/11 is no accident. why don't the libs scrap it. they got the house n senate)
Let's see... what else...
One of my parents is a Liberal, yes. The other is a Conservative. They got divorced. The conservative lives in an upper-middle class home, the lib lives in a lower-middle class one. The lib works blue collar, the conservative doesn't work at all. So I haven't been brainwashed because I've been exposed to both worlds. I'm one of the lucky ones, I guess. I'm not poor, as you seem to think. I just believe the poverty shouldn't exist.
(the % of poor people to rich people has been consistant threw history. people choose there fates. unit there fates get dictated to them by some lib)
I personally don't think those guys are very cool, but that's just my opinion. MMV seems to ignore the vast majority of my post and just picks out anything I say about him. Whiplash has never responded at all. DrShot criticizes every single thing I say, even if it's right. We'll see what he says about this.
(I've been playin civ with these guys for years. everyone has there own styles of posting.)
Not like you guys care, but here's another article.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 28, 2007 19:11:08 GMT -5
Also, just because we have the best doctors doesn't mean we have the best healthcare. If you live in poverty, it doesn't matter if they're good or not- you can't afford it. (in america, its the law that people have to get treated. wether u can afford it or not. The thing is, if u need a xeololgology machine, you can find one in america)
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 28, 2007 19:14:52 GMT -5
Sure, if you get shot, for example, you can be emitted to the E.R. and have surgery. But somebody's got to pay for it, and if you don't have insurance...
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Post by MMV on Oct 28, 2007 20:21:10 GMT -5
The only arguement I've participated in so far is you misquoting me. All I'm doing is having a pointless argument with TGS (and you, to some extent) yada yada yada... Continue with your diatribe now please (but without the inaccurate referals to me) Thanks!
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 28, 2007 20:45:43 GMT -5
MMV, that wasn't a misquote.
TGS- it seems like you either agree with me on my points or have simply added to them, so it looks like the arguement is over.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 28, 2007 22:06:42 GMT -5
MMV, that wasn't a misquote. TGS- it seems like you either agree with me on my points or have simply added to them, so it looks like the arguement is over. ok gg. ur right. we both agree coal sucks. I'm realist in seeking nuke power. U wanna make Arizona into a giant solor panal. you wanna make a healthcare plan paid for by oil tax. Then u also say we only got 40 years left of oil. Oh, I tore u up here. I was like...after earth runs out of oil, just tax imports. Make China pay for our healthcare. SMACK good times good times indeed
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