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Post by ajerzguy on Apr 11, 2006 9:08:12 GMT -5
Immigration has become the second most important concern of US voters a recent poll showed. In the recent poll, immigration jumped from 6% to 13% pushing it to the second most important issue concerning US voters. My opinion is that it has to be brought under control by whatever means are necessary. If that means building a wall then lets build it. Let's start using the regular Armed Forces to help patrol the borders. We have guards 24 hours a day at Guantanamo which is actually a part of Cuba. Why can't we secure our borders in the same way. The US allows over 800,000 immigrants a year in legally: FY 2000 Highlights A total of 849,807, persons legally immigrated to the United States. Of that total, 407,402 obtained their visas abroad from the Department of State and 442,405 were granted adjustment of status i.e. permanent residence, by the INS.The major categories of immigrants were: immediate relatives of U.S. citizens (348,879), family preferences (235,280), employment preferences (107,024), diversity program (50,945) and, refugee/asylee adjustments (65,941). Sixty-eight percent of legal immigrants settled in the following six states: California (217,753), New York (106,061), Florida (98,391), Texas (63,840), Illinois (40,013) and New Jersey (36,180). Five countries accounted for 39 percent of immigrants: Mexico (173,919), The People's Republic of China (45,652), Philippines (42,474), India (42,046), and Vietnam (26,747).
It is estimated that there are over 7 million illegal aliens presently in the US. Some argue that they are filling jobs that Americans refuse to do and therefore are a necessary part of the economy. This may be true, however, these same workers are taking jobs because those that employ them do not have to incur any expenses such as; Social Security, FICA (Medicare benefits), Workman's compensation, and other health insurance costs. Those that hold the job still have the benefit of; free education, not paying taxes or, emergency health care, social security, FICA and state unemployment. They are a drain on the economy not a boon to it. 7 million illegal immigrants at 15000 a year in earnings not paying 15% in income taxes equates to 630 million dollars a year in lost revenue. There are more immigrants in US medical schools than there are American citizens. Two hundred and thirty years ago the US was 1/4th (approx) of what it is now. The country needed people to settle the vast expanses of the land. To immigrate it would take 1-2 months. Today you can travel to the furthest point away in less than 24 hours. None of the framers of the constitution could have foreseen how far we would come in such a relatively short period of time. If they could have I'm sure they would have put some "future" limits on it. Strict enforcement of the current immigration laws must be adhered to. All those legally migrating must be documented, finger printed and dossiers created. If you don't like it, "stay where you are". Being born in this country should not automatically grant citizenship, at least one parent would have to be a citizen. Many of these illegal immigrants actually vote. I am not against immigration. I am against ILLEGAL immigration. Double the legal limits, just make sure the illegals don't enter. Oh yeah, If you're here legally and don't like the proposed changes notify me and I'll see what I can to do to get you a ticket out. JerZ
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Post by MMV on Apr 11, 2006 12:41:12 GMT -5
I was in the grocery store the other day waiting in line at the cashier and witnessing a huge argument between the customer ahead of me and the cashier.
Not wanting to wait any longer, I finally interupted the cashier and told her - "Look lady, if you want to live in america and work in america - you're going to have to learn spanish like the rest of us."
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Post by Avogadro on Apr 21, 2006 10:18:07 GMT -5
Send them to Canada we not making children. Lots of jobs opening up!! ;D
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Post by DrShot on Apr 27, 2006 23:34:06 GMT -5
This was sent to me, I have not validated this...yet( it is pseudo topical)
Cindy & Chavez Is this true. Venezuela Dictator Vows To Bring Down U.S. Government Venezuela government is sole owner of Citgo gasoline company Venezuela Dictator Hugo Chavez has vowed to bring down the U.S. government. Chavez, president of Venezuela, told a TV audience: "Enough of imperialist aggression; we must tell the world: down with the U.S. empire. We have to bury imperialism this century." The guest on his television program, beamed across Venezuela, was Cindy Sheehan, the antiwar activist. Chavez recently had as his guest Harry Belafonte, who called President Bush "the greatest terrorist in the world." Chavez is pushing a socialist revolution and has a close alliance with Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Regardless of your feelings about the war in Iraq, the issue > here is that we have a socialist dictator vowing to bring down the government of the U.S. And he is using our money to achieve his goal! The Venezuela government, run by dictator Chavez, is the sole owner of Citgo gas company. Sales of products at Citgo stations send money back to Chavez to help him in his vow to bring down our government. Take Action Please decide that you will not be shopping at a Citgo station. Why should U.S. citizens who love freedom be financing a dictator who has vowed to take down our government? Very important. Please forward this to your friends and family. Most of them don't know that Citgo is owned by the Venezuela government.
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Post by DrShot on Apr 27, 2006 23:44:19 GMT -5
If you lIke Rush or Not ... IF you do not know who he is(lol, like thats possible) This is a good read. This was emailed to me, sry for the >'s (deal w/ it) ;D
Subject: Limbaugh > > > The "Limbaugh Laws" for immigration > > Be sure to read the whole message, especially the last paragraph. > > From Rush Limbaugh's radio show on April 6, 2006. > > I want to call this proposal the Limbaugh Laws. > > If you immigrate to the United States of America, you must speak the > native language. You have to be a professional or an investor. We > are not going to take unskilled workers. You will not be allowed. > There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special > ballots for elections, no government business will be conducted in > your native language. > > Foreigners will not have the right to vote nor will they ever be > allowed to hold political office. According to the Limbaugh Laws, if > you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are > not entitled, ever, to welfare, to food stamps, or other government > goodies. > > You can come if you invest here, but it must be an amount equal to > 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If you don't have that amount of > money you have to stay home. If you do come and you want to buy land > you will not be allowed to buy waterfront property in the United > States. That will be reserved for citizens naturally born in this > country. As a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to > property. > > You don't have the right to protest when you come here. You're > allowed no demonstrations, you cannot wave a foreign flag, no > political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies or > you get sent home. You're a foreigner. You shut your mouth or you > get out, and if you come here illegally, you go straight to jail and > we're going to hunt you down 'til we find you. > > These are the Limbaugh Laws. > > I can imagine many of you think that the Limbaugh Laws are pretty > harsh. Well, let me tell you this, every one of the laws I just > mentioned are actual laws of Mexico, today. I just read you Mexican > immigration law. That's how the Mexican government handles immigrants > to their country. >
Makes ya 'think' for a moment or two, eh?
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Post by ajerzguy on May 2, 2006 9:22:07 GMT -5
Since the protesters of immigration policies in the US have no regard for the laws of the land (illegal aliens) then I propose the following.
In the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and Colorado all felons in prison for crimes against Hispanics be given a one time pardon. Any illegal alien found guilty of a crime is to be imprisoned for 20 years without a chance of parole in a prison which will be built in Alaska. The prison will be started by paid laborers (federally funded) and gradually replaced by those who will call it home for the next 20 years. It will be placed in an area which is so far removed from local populations that it will be unnecessary to worry about escapees and will be patrolled by the US military.
If something is not done to control immigration there will be more aliens in this country than Americans. No one out there can give me one civilization that has survived homogenization of it's citizenry in the history of mankind.
The immigration laws must be revised to protect our country from being over-run. The laws from 228 years ago must be updated to reflect the changes of the world today.
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Post by zerza on May 2, 2006 12:12:41 GMT -5
Jerzy you s.o.b. ;D Hows the hells you been. Get your butt in game I miss our late night phone calls lol
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Post by zerza on May 2, 2006 12:23:46 GMT -5
Since the protesters of immigration policies in the US have no regard for the laws of the land (illegal aliens) then I propose the following. In the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and Colorado all felons in prison for crimes against Hispanics be given a one time pardon. Any illegal alien found guilty of a crime is to be imprisoned for 20 years without a chance of parole in a prison which will be built in Alaska. The prison will be started by paid laborers (federally funded) and gradually replaced by those who will call it home for the next 20 years. It will be placed in an area which is so far removed from local populations that it will be unnecessary to worry about escapees and will be patrolled by the US military. If something is not done to control immigration there will be more aliens in this country than Americans. No one out there can give me one civilization that has survived homogenization of it's citizenry in the history of mankind. The immigration laws must be revised to protect our country from being over-run. The laws from 228 years ago must be updated to reflect the changes of the world today. I agree we need a much tougher stance on Immigration. However, a pardon of offenders against hispanics would be a racist remark to all the world. it is, in effect saying that crimes against this racial group are permitted in the right circumstances. I feel there are never a circumstance to pardon someone who has victimized an innocent person. I feel your hate is directed at the wrong party, the immigrants. You cant hate them for wanting better living conditions. The finger should point at the governments from where the immigrants come from. Its time we call them out on human rights violations, the horrible living conditions, rampant crime, and extreme missapropriation of funds. Also our government is to blame, for not taking actions on these countries and forcing them to comply with basic human rights and standards of living. The leaders of these countries live extremely well, their citizens should to. Im not commenting on the prison, I think it speaks for itself as a horror to humanity. Would we be any better then Saddam Hussein if we practiced cruel and unusual punishement? A better practice would be to force their governments to sentence these offenders, their prisons are much worse then ours Its past time we make countries accountable to their citizens and responsible for the actions their citizens make , as most these actions are a direct result of the desperation one would feel living in the squalor these countries force their populace into.
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Post by zerza on May 2, 2006 12:32:52 GMT -5
One pro of immigration. Within the next decade, China is set to surpass America in terms of GDP and become, by definition, the new world super power. China has over 100 million service personnel in their armed forces. Thats nearly a soldier with a machine gun for every man, woman, and child in America The growth rate of America has fallen dramaticly over the past 2 decades, largely due to sex education and abortion. The birth rate in China has fallen due to education, but is still increasing over all, as well its death rate is declining. This is due to increasing medical availability in rural China. Immigrants, in general, display a strong political pride. Most especially employed immigrants. An influx of potentially politicly proud individuals would be a welcome balance to the generaly uncaring citizen.
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Post by zerza on May 2, 2006 12:39:15 GMT -5
AVO:
your right. From citgo.com: The company is owned by PDV America, Inc., an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., the national oil company of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
I will never shop at a Citgo again, and plan to pass the word.
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Post by Tony on May 2, 2006 20:27:33 GMT -5
I am not sure how serious the immigration situation is in the US, but I find it hard to believe the worlds biggest super power can’t keep these people out. As you said so many soldiers serving in places like camp X-Ray. It seems to me very little resources are being thrown at keeping illegal immigrates out, and maybe you have to wonder why?
I have been told it is because they fill jobs Americans are not willing to do, also many small businesses rely on very cheap labour which they can only be provided by people that are willing to work for peanuts and for a long period of time, these people are also very grateful for the job, no matter how crappy, they are given.
I have been told that western economies would collapse if all illegal immigrates were sent home tomorrow.
Also no matter what western country you go to, Europe is way worst then the US, immigration is always a political tool, people make it out to be a lot bigger then it actually is. The normal scare tactics are used, public services can’t handle the load, they are taking our jobs, they are committing all the crime, etc. These conclusions are often unfounded and untrue.
I’m not saying illegal immigration is a good thing, and there defiantly should be stricter border controls, but these scare tactics have been going on longer then I can remember. It’s a big issue over here aswell, and I personally don’t see them committing crime and they defiantly are not taking any job I want to do any time soon.
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Post by weaksauce on May 3, 2006 0:22:03 GMT -5
One pro of immigration. Within the next decade, China is set to surpass America in terms of GDP and become, by definition, the new world super power. China has over 100 million service personnel in their armed forces. Thats nearly a soldier with a machine gun for every man, woman, and child in America The growth rate of America has fallen dramaticly over the past 2 decades, largely due to sex education and abortion. The birth rate in China has fallen due to education, but is still increasing over all, as well its death rate is declining. This is due to increasing medical availability in rural China. Immigrants, in general, display a strong political pride. Most especially employed immigrants. An influx of potentially politicly proud individuals would be a welcome balance to the generaly uncaring citizen. american birth rate down due to desire of people to achieve higher standard of living and they have less children becuz of it. happens in england other industrialized countries. china birth rate down due to gov't policy that u can only have 1 child... and there is such an imbalance of men born in china (cuz baby girls are seen as undesirable) that they r gonna have serious social problems... and i guarantee u if the chinese yuan floated in the public market today, that the gov't and half its banks would crack tomorrow. /weak
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Post by whiplash on May 3, 2006 6:55:01 GMT -5
This is developing into a serious political/economic problem.
On the political side the Hispanics, legal or not, are forming a voting minority constituency. The politicians see them as a huge voting block. Consequently, the politicians will sell out on the issue of immigration reform. Immigration reform, in some fashion, will happen.
I think that before major immigration reform happens the border must be made secure. The reason for this is that whatever happens in the way of immigration reform the result will a rise in the standard of living for the immigrants here which will act as a magnet for more illegal immigration. The border has to come first to prevent an even greater flood of illegal immigrants motivated by better living conditions.
On the economic side, first I would say that this idea that immigrants perform in jobs that Americans won't do is bunk. In a free market economy any job will be filled if the pay rate is good enough. The reason that those jobs don't pay well is that there are already too many people willing to take them. If immigration reform precedes border security this will get much worse. The undocumented workers who are here now are only hurting themselves by promoting immigration reform that will only draw more competition for the jobs they now have. The US economy cannot support another flood of unskilled, uneducated immigrants. The jobs just won't be there.
What is happening and what will continue to happen is that the US medium and high earning taxpayers are, and will continue to, subsidize the immigrants. If they are working their wages are so low that the government draws a negative tax payment from them due to the earned income tax credit. They don't pay income taxes, they actually get a check from the IRS to "make up" for their low wages. While they are getting payed by the government their families will be enjoying the benefits of free education and health care further straining the real taxpayers. It will be even worse in the case of those who won't be able to find a job because of the surplus of unskilled workers. This group will not starve; they will somehow be supported by the taxpayers.
The earned income tax credit is pure socialism and is contrary to the principles of free market economics. The US is already near the point where half the workers don't pay income tax because of low wages. They are being subsidized by the other half who get hit hard by the IRS. With continued immigration from Mexico the problem will be further aggravated. When the low income group becomes the majority they will simply vote themselves more benefits and our politicians will sell out to them.
There are some things that can be done to alleviate the problem. The very first that must be done is border security. Immigration reform should be done to help those already here but not be so lucrative as to act as a magnet for more illegal immigration. Another necessary ingredient is for the US to help Mexico improve its economy and standard of living for Mexican citizens. Right now the Mexican government is happy to see the migration of its unskilled and uneducated populace. What is needed is foreign investments to create opportunity for Mexican citizens.
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Post by zerza on May 6, 2006 12:35:18 GMT -5
I can see from your post that you are confused about Earned Income Credit. It has minimum earning requirements, and no minimum wage job will come close to meeting it. For a family of 4 you got to make at least 18k to get any EIC.
I've viewed it as one of the few welfare programs that actually worked. Rather then the usual punish people for getting a meager job by removing all benefits, it rewards people for actually working.
Other welfare, food stamps, rent assistance, etc etc usually equal more then a minimum wage job, and all go away if they do take a minimum wage job. So its more profitable to stay on welfare.
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