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Post by Avogadro on Mar 13, 2006 23:31:47 GMT -5
Nae. Although the parody is kinda funny involving Bush and Gayness HE not being very liked even at home in the Americas. I don't think that video shall be viewed as funny because it is done in the middle east. The written words below will make it looks like an "attack" more then good natured ribbing. This very notion id the one which angered many in the middle east when Mohamed was portrayed as a caricature. Soooo In order to keep it neutral I made a simple game. Follow the link down below and take a guess at what exists behind the censored areas. I know, I know cheesy as hell but I'm practically computer illiterate and it took me nearly an hours to hour the original images, use Microsoft paint to erase out and censor areas and then re-host them separately. So humor me and take a few guesses. Who knows with a bit of participation maybe I can learn something about graphic designing:P behind the dot
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Post by icbm on Mar 14, 2006 2:41:37 GMT -5
Just for the record, it seems you've mistaken me as an american, I'm Finnish actually.
But I do know something about history and the past especially after WW II and if the nutcases in Europe wouldn't have supporeted ajatollah Khomeini's regime in Iran, world might be a lot better place. Of course Jimmy Carter, the weakest US president of all time, lacked the fortitude to do what needed to be done and let the crisis escalate(wasn't he nominated for the Nobel peace award lately?)
And as for the comments about Israel, the jews and arabs have lived there equally long but after WW II they refused to acknowledge the state of Israel and started a war with one purpose, to eradicate all jews and Israel.
The tables turned in that war 1967 when president Nasser of Eqypt fromed a coalition with the other arab countries to "drive all jews into the sea in three days" I think were his own words in television. This is when Israel launched a surprise counter assault to the airbases of the coalition bombing all the aircrafts to the ground before they could take off, which left coalition's ground forces without air support and they were destroyed in 6 days, thus the name 6-day-war.
They tried again in 1973(I think, not sure about this) and came close, at least according to some reports to succeeding in defeating Israel but again they were repelled barely or less barely, I do not know the truth of this matter.
And Sidhe, just stop posting alright? You sound like a religious fundamentalist who's on his way to save the world and booking a trip to heaven by blowing himself and a lot of other ppl on the air.
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Post by ajerzguy on Mar 14, 2006 4:38:54 GMT -5
I need a little assistance here Sidhe since I'm somewhat confused. Are you insinuating that the US has caused the region to be unstable due to the following? I'll attempt put them in chronological order.
Pre 9/11/01 1st Gulf War when the US spearheaded the liberation of Kuwait? The extinguishing of the fires that were set in the oil fields by the Iraqis as they were retreating? The coalition used Arab lands as bases by invitation, not force.
Post 9/11/01 The ousting of the Taliban in Afghanistan along with their support of Osama bin Laden? Freeing the citizenry of the their total disregard of human rights and womens rights? The resulting election had over 60% turnout.
The removal of Saddam Hussein after his refusal to cooperate with UN inspectors to verify that he was not producing WMD? The same Saddam who for 12 years was exchanging oil for monies which he used to build palaces rather than help his constituency? The Saddam who was providing oil to Russia, France, Germany, and China in exchange for his own personal wealth. The Saddam who continually tried to shoot down US jets that were monitoring the UN enforced "no fly" zones? The leader that used chemical weapons and torture on Iraqi citizens? Again the voting turnout was over 60%, even with the boycott by Sunni's, and the threat of death by the radicals. Seems like the Iraqi people welcomed the opportunity to choose their own leaders for the 1st time since 1969.
Iran's current leadership Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talked of “wiping the state of Israel off the map" and predicted that “the new wave of attacks in Palestine will erase this stain from the face of Islam." This from the 4th largest oil producing country in the world. Their insistence on developing nuclear capability can only lead toward the use of nuclear weapons against Israel. Yet this crazed Muslim thinks he can dupe the world. This is the same government that took away all the freedoms it's people had and set them back about a couple hundred years when it comes to civil rights. When was the Middle East changed to Islam? Have we forgotten how the Shah was deposed and murdered to install an Islamic theocracy? Prior to that the people of Iran were one of the most supportive of the West. Was the Shah a prince? Not by any means but he was not a Saddam either.
The bottom line is the West has not been the aggressor, the Islamic fundamentalists have been. Iraq was spared their wrath only because Saddam was in control. I have to point out that there were two sons who were as brutal as he was if not more to continue for generations to come. It would be hard to distinguish the difference between the two (Saddam, fundamentalists) when it comes to how they rule.
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Post by Sidhe on Mar 14, 2006 16:29:35 GMT -5
Nae. Although the parody is kinda funny involving Bush and Gayness HE not being very liked even at home in the Americas. I don't think that video shall be viewed as funny because it is done in the middle east. The written words below will make it looks like an "attack" more then good natured ribbing. This very notion id the one which angered many in the middle east when Mohamed was portrayed as a caricature. Soooo In order to keep it neutral I made a simple game. Follow the link down below and take a guess at what exists behind the censored areas. I know, I know cheesy as hell but I'm practically computer illiterate and it took me nearly an hours to hour the original images, use Microsoft paint to erase out and censor areas and then re-host them separately. So humor me and take a few guesses. Who knows with a bit of participation maybe I can learn something about graphic designing:P behind the dotThat's the Al Jazera stuff that was all over the news a while back, and that's not Islamic, that's done by either I'd say An American or an Englishman. It's on google It's British humour to a tee though. It's also pre war footage so it's way before the Danish stuff. It's pretty old stuff, surprised people haven't seen it before. I just realised that I was taking out my bad mood on America and that I went somewhat overboard. Sorry Political understanding? Are you proposing that the world eradicate the State of Israel and give it to the Arabs? If not, then what is your solution?
Oh and I do think the initial UN decision to turf the Palestinians out of there homeland was a pretty bad one. The land where Israel is now belonged to Arabs with a minority of Jewish settlers most of which moved in to escape the Germans. If the Hispanics suddenly started a mas exodus and then some body without a by your leave gave the US to them, wouldn't you feel a bit miffed? Not the same but, it's kind of understandable they hate Jews so much, even if I don't condone the terrorism, Jews have indulged in some pretty horrendous retaliations, neither side is without fault there. I also think Americas presence in the middle East is not helping, get out ASAP. I've said before I think Afghanistan was justified, just as I think the first gulf war was and I've also said on threads before that although the reasons for toppling Saddam were total BS, the ends are not that bad(I'd just like some honesty with my diplomacy, if that's not a contradiction in terms) It's just been politically mismanaged, causing even more friction with Arabs. And yes I still dislike Bush and his government, I think they need a long break from politics
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Post by Sidhe on Mar 15, 2006 7:30:11 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Apr 15, 2006 22:01:02 GMT -5
I found something pretty funny. Check this link out all, www.wimp.com/east/Why wasnt there protests over this? Seems like the same sort of thing as the cartoons. ;D
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Post by salqadri on Apr 17, 2006 21:13:01 GMT -5
Britain and the US did not create the problem. We are responding to it. rofl. Your kidding right? Clearly you know nothing about any of the things you are saying ajerzguy. Open your mind, do some reading, do some thinking, maybe then your views may be valued.
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Post by MMV on Apr 19, 2006 11:00:37 GMT -5
The Israeli Ambassador to the UN began, "Ladies and gentlemen before I commence with my speech, I want to relay an old Passover story to all of you...
When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt toward the Promised Land, he had to go through the nearly endless Sinai desert... The people became thirsty and needed water. So Moses struck the side of a mountain with his cane and a pond appeared with crystal clean, cool water. The people rejoiced and drank to their hearts' content.
Moses wished to cleanse his whole body, so he went over to the other side of the pond, took all of his clothes off and dove into the cool waters. Only when Moses came out of the water he discovered that all his clothes had been stolen ...
continued the ambassador, "And I have reasons to believe that the Palestinians stole his clothes."
The Palestinian delegate, hearing this accusation, jumps out of his seat and screams, "This is a travesty. It is widely known that there were no Palestinians at that time!!!"
"And with that in mind," said the Israeli Ambassador, "let me begin my speech.."
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Post by Sidhe on Apr 23, 2006 7:15:53 GMT -5
Yes there are no indeginous populations from that time because the Jews under Jeramiah destroyed the Canaanites and the 30 cities of AI killing every man woman and child, so the bible tells us, those remnants who fled North they hunted but eventually had to leave alone. Your point is?
Owning a region for well over a thousand years does not give the UN the right to turf them all out and set up a country, also further it does not give the Israeli's the right to use terrorism, to break UN treaties and take 2 palestinian states either. The sins on both sides are equal, there is no telling between them.
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