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Post by Canucksoldier on Sept 20, 2007 19:42:46 GMT -5
Here is your thread for CCC feedback, the Admin team and the CCCAC have worked for the past week to come to this schedule, so I hope that you discussed CCC issues with your clan rep and that they took part in the CCCAC forums. If you don't think your clan has one feel free to contact me.
CS
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Post by kurdape on Sept 20, 2007 20:28:51 GMT -5
Why do the advanced games Saturday? The IS Reni, and the future are virtually extinct in ladder games these days. To get to Sunday, you just need players that have been unemployed for a long time, or are French. 1v1 and occ games are too one sided. Why give 8 pts to one player?
Ape
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Post by Canucksoldier on Sept 20, 2007 21:13:47 GMT -5
If read it all you would notice that the OCC's are only worth 5 pts each to the winner. The CCCAC did ask for another ancient which is why we replaced the 3v3 Class with a killer cton ancient on Sunday. The role of the CCC is not to just mirror the daily ladder results but to have the clans experience events that they might not play everyday. Remember the CCC is about proving the best clan at BTS, not just the best clan at ancient era starts.
CS
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Post by TheClash on Sept 21, 2007 2:13:24 GMT -5
well, surprising settings in OCC: # 8 : fast? thats to slow. redentor / spy allowed ? no GL, no Pyra ? Thats realy bad. Now land means all ! No alternatives in teching are possible. All will go for civil service straight and the one with gold / gems / or flood (nice with cottages) will win with the 50 % from bureau. The alternative to go for GL missing this ressources is gone ! Who told you that GL or Pyra are always winning an UQC Thats not true, the skill of reading a map and deciding which tech tree will be the most successful is gone. #9 : redentor / spy allowed ? Why do all OCC start at 12 pm on Saturday ? Why not doing one on Friday and one on Saturday so that OCC freaks could play all ( if they still want to play both ) Reducing the number of available points is still a secret for me ? There are 14 events ,why the OCC ´s got less value now ? FF game in CCC ??
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Post by venceslas on Sept 21, 2007 3:03:52 GMT -5
Let's look this planning:
Event #1
Like we have said in the CCC council, donnut was a BTS map with much fun for that. For the first time since a long time we had a very aggressive map in which we must adapt to field. By the opposite, LD mirror is a bit a builder map, with no suprise. I however admit that it's a bit more equity in that. But I don't care too much in this field, I will prefer something funnier.
Event #2 I don't like too much prohibit civ, so I will allow Byzantin, but it's my personnal opinion.
Event #3
I have not much skill in future era, however I will like playing more advanced era in ladder. Much people say "I don't like it", but when you go deeper, they have never played other era that ancien and are a bit affraid to lose. So I'm happy to see a great diversity of era in CCC. Sure it's normal to have more ancien era, but modern,futur are very nice and very fun events.
Event #11
No HB map please. It's kill the fun with a very defensive map.
Event #13
FF tournament was cancelled. They had only four players registered. So no test was available. Maybe it's a bit sooner for that. Well, I understand the goal to introduce new things with CCC.
Event #12,13,14
Event 12,13,14 are too late for europeans. I think you could advance it from two hours.
In my view CCC should celebrate the teamplay, there is too many events with only one player, especially two OCC, and two ctons. One OCC and one cton seems a perfect balance in my view. I d'ont ask any changment about that, but it's a wish for CCC LIII.
chris.
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Post by metallian on Sept 21, 2007 3:14:20 GMT -5
Everything looks good other than the Medi event being on HB. I think the HB maps are quite dull, Players should have expand and find their resources. I'd recommend making one of the cton's a team game. Make a 5v5 TBG large start anywhere with ancient civs uu's excluded. This setting is probably the most popular on the ladder right now. Also Vencelsas Byz is quite overpowered. The Cataphact is similar to the old cossacks in that they really don't have a counter. The only counter is pikes however you can't attack someone with pikes it just doesn't work.
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Post by stilgar on Sept 21, 2007 3:58:27 GMT -5
6 single events hum it's too much i think it's a ccc not single At the last CCC all the clan had strong difficulty to fill all the event so with 14 events, i think it's too much. Futur Regicide sure who play that ??
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Post by TheClash on Sept 21, 2007 4:33:04 GMT -5
and why we voted reg spy ? Looking at the poll result there were 6 against spy, 6 for passive spy only and and 7 for spy is ok. That means the 7 without problem count more then the 12 who got a problem
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Post by moineau on Sept 21, 2007 5:16:26 GMT -5
Theclash, on OCC uqc i never, never see someone else that GB builder or Pyramids builder win the game. Theses wonders are so overpowered and before i was agree that was a good way to win less the best land BUT it's so overpowered that now the winner will be the guys with Stone or marble close. OCC uqc ancient has lot of way less pyramids and GL.
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Post by holocanthe on Sept 21, 2007 5:18:59 GMT -5
Great news CCC died Now it is a solo tournament + sunday mad hours regicide futur and a stupid FF
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Post by TheClash on Sept 21, 2007 6:01:52 GMT -5
Theclash, on OCC uqc i never, never see someone else that GB builder or Pyramids builder win the game. Theses wonders are so overpowered and before i was agree that was a good way to win less the best land BUT it's so overpowered that now the winner will be the guys with Stone or marble close. OCC uqc ancient has lot of way less pyramids and GL. sorry moineau, not true. GL or Pyra do not guarantee a win. Anyhow let them all play now Lizzy/Korea and the winner will be the player with the best land for a financial civ
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Post by venceslas on Sept 21, 2007 6:06:01 GMT -5
I agree with you Metallian that Byz is overpowered, however it's just one civ(cossak had several leaders). It's fun to play Byz. Both players have hard time to defend and attack. A so strong civ give fun to the games.
I have not really problem with prohibate Byz, I understand the thing who annoy you with Byz. Let's listen the majority as usual, so ban Byz.
chris.
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Post by moineau on Sept 21, 2007 6:08:32 GMT -5
Theclash i propose you a 1vs1, you let me do GL (and dont make pyra) and we'll see If one of the best player you are cant beat GL, i think then it is too overpowered. Say me when you can
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Post by Bantams on Sept 21, 2007 6:44:49 GMT -5
Event 8 make it a regular OCC renny HB Inland sea V2 or even a random era But please no more UltraQuickCrap hardly anyone plays UQC since Warlords it seems the only people that do are KC! Event 9 make it anc OCC 2v2 same map passive spy should be allowed in all events but no spy actions! but i see why they are banned due to people not being able to tell who pissed in whos water! Ironman should be played on a Islands map
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Post by Lestat on Sept 21, 2007 8:55:18 GMT -5
Ok woumans now shut da f**k up... here is OCC king speaking : 1. No UQC for occ plz. 2. Inland sea for occ suck bc u lost land point bc sea or u are boxed. Alsoe on inland sea u have chances to not got oil to. U cant reach all players in that crap map. If u are left on map and u are trying to reach right player and pass midlle...those guy on right will say its cheating .. 2 players have aliance against me.HB TBG v2 or v3 torodial for OCC. on v2 u have better chances to got stone and marble but on v3 u will have more food and wood.... 3. era if not UQC then reny... its most balanced and non wonder depend era. I kno noob will say oIL is prob..its not u can defend ur ass against modern armor to ... however if u dont have oil and alu. 4. Put space on on hb tbg v3 on torodial to see who can do that. 5. SPY suck in occ especialy in final phase of game... alow socuting with spy and ban all spy action. 6. If space is on put internet on to.... 7. fast timer is ok who dont have 2 hour time to play game better he dont playing.
Now im waiting for respond of woumans which will say tbg is not good bc they are scared to fight mans in close land or she will say when i played last time OCC in a CCC
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Post by whitebull on Sept 21, 2007 9:02:45 GMT -5
My main surprise is the number of solo events. Isn't it a clan tourney ?
I often saw ppl asking for more OCC in last CCCs, and i guess we cannot have less than 2 for the moment. But so many CTON....
IMO, CCC must be, before all, a teamer tournement
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Post by Bantams on Sept 21, 2007 9:20:54 GMT -5
bows down in ore of lestats greatness at OCC and yes I agree HB TBG V3 is a better map for OCC
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Post by sausageface on Sept 21, 2007 10:11:51 GMT -5
I dunno how you are gunna go with getting all these events filled. Maybe you should count each clans best 8 results or something... so they can still compete and not field in every event.
For OCC, Pyramids and Great Library are only overpowered because it is impossible to attack anyone in OCC because of the Inland Sea map and because we ban nukes. Instead of banning everything just change the map, so the person who builds great library can get bangganged by everybody else, or at least think of something a little more creative...
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Post by axius on Sept 21, 2007 10:47:48 GMT -5
Spies are completely allowed, including even the Cristo exploit?! You are kidding, right? Every single person who posted here agreed that spy missions should be banned from OCC. Why do we even bother giving you feedback if it's ignored like that?
And what's up with "Civ choice: Yes" in CTON? Doesn't that defy the very idea of CTON?
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Post by penny on Sept 21, 2007 10:57:57 GMT -5
I do have a LOT to say.
Too much actually, So I'll save it for the next following 6 weeks. As I hope this CCC will back me up when I'll say that we HAVE to go back to less events (no more...). In order to let a possibility to clan to rebuilt their squads.
I, however, insist on a matter that is directly concerning me this CCC :
- Event 11 : Please remove that HB thing in front of the Inland word. Have seen 5+ complain in last thread, and 3+ in a bunch of hours... All we want is our old Inland back.
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