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Post by tamijo on Jan 8, 2007 5:39:32 GMT -5
Anybody ever thought about giving points to the best 8 teams ;D, I know it would make CCC a little more complicated as would in most events (tournment style) have to make extra games to find out the teams becomming 3-4 5-6 7-8. But in fact wouldent be that complicated ! As they would play at same times as the finals. On the other hand it would make the hole event a lot more fun for the "not so good" clans, as they (we ) could fight for position in every event. Think about it Regards Tamijo - JFF
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Post by balmung on Jan 8, 2007 6:53:49 GMT -5
i like that Would make it for new clans easier and more fair to reach top 8 and therefor the finals after a weekend without sleep ;D Pls think about it
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Post by Bantams on Jan 8, 2007 6:55:53 GMT -5
well It does seem a little unfair regards the Ironman events perhaps next time for the Ironman points should be awarded for prelims as well as the final and perhaps more points than other games in CCC awarded for the Ironman Final
3 points for 3rd in such a big Event as the ironman does seem a bit odd to me also perhaps make ironman a none substitution event after all the name IRONMAN is supposed decide the best MAN not best team of 3 subs or at least make max subs only 1
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Post by tamijo on Jan 8, 2007 7:36:23 GMT -5
I was not thinking about the points in ironman especialy, my proposal was about every event. But must be hard playing ironman for 13 hours (after a 3 hour qualifier the night before) in a row and not get anything from become a 5th. or 6th. ect.
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Post by SweViking on Jan 8, 2007 17:36:58 GMT -5
well It does seem a little unfair regards the Ironman events perhaps next time for the Ironman points should be awarded for prelims as well as the final and perhaps more points than other games in CCC awarded for the Ironman Final 3 points for 3rd in such a big Event as the ironman does seem a bit odd to me also perhaps make ironman a none substitution event after all the name IRONMAN is supposed decide the best MAN not best team of 3 subs or at least make max subs only 1 If you meen big as in time leanght im not sure ironman is so far from say 3v3 ren game.. it was about 18 hours from first round to the final. Our guys that played it could barly write in chat after the game ;D Had to send in a virtual doctor to get them going into sundays events 1 hour later BUT i do think a extra game for 3rd or 4th would be in order as it would be played along side with the final.
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Post by tamijo on Jan 9, 2007 4:45:33 GMT -5
My main point is not a game for 3-4 i think a tie is ok more like an 5-8 seperat tournament running alongside the final so that we could get point at spot 5&6, eliminating spot 7-8 and a mach for position 5
This because it would make the hole event more appealing to the weaker clans, as it is now only about half the clans got any real possibility to score in more that 1 or 2 events.
So i was thinking 1 15 p 2 10 p 3 6 p (in events with tie "cases system" 5 p) 4 4 p (in events with tie "cases system" 5 p) 5 2 p 6 1 p
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Post by Juni on Jan 9, 2007 10:45:02 GMT -5
What do you think about this ? 1. 12 points 2. 9 points 3. 7 points 4. 5 points 5. 4 points 6. 3 points 7. 2 points 8. 1 point In case of tie, that would be : 1. 12 points 2. 9 points 3-4 (T) 6 points each 5-8 (T) 2.5 points each I have not seen any way to avoid half points
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Post by tamijo on Jan 9, 2007 10:57:56 GMT -5
The reason why i left the system off point at 7 & 8, is that in some cases you have only been "wining" against N/A-player
no reason to award points if the team havent shown any skill at all.
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Post by tommynt on Jan 11, 2007 14:12:24 GMT -5
The point system is good as it is
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Post by tamijo on Jan 12, 2007 2:27:32 GMT -5
Good for y tommy ;D But not if you play in a low level clan
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Post by Juni on Jan 12, 2007 7:33:01 GMT -5
Your idea of a sub-tournament to break ties for 5-8 is good, but as well as Tommy's idea to improve seeding, Case's ladder software does not allow this. Isn't MUD a low level clan ? ;D (just kidding, of course )
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Post by tamijo on Jan 12, 2007 8:46:48 GMT -5
You would need to setup another tournament with 4 players " Event 4-B" thats all it takes
Jon
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Post by Juni on Jan 12, 2007 10:59:34 GMT -5
Sure, but it means more work for TDs and maybe a bit of confusion the first times this would be used
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 12, 2007 11:15:24 GMT -5
One of the problems with giving points to teams 5-8 is that some teams might get points but never win a game (just receive a bye that puts them in the quarter finals round, i.e. the top 8).
And certainly running extra tie breakers is not a good idea as it would make some players unavailable for other events and put stress especially on the smaller clans. Filling all the events is already a challenge, why make it worse?
I can see the point of giving someone a point for finishing the Ironman - this might also cut down on quitters in that event.
We will take all these ideas into consideration for the next CCC.
Best, SPM
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Post by tamijo on Jan 16, 2007 6:46:53 GMT -5
I can understand that the TD's wont like the extra work, that clear But that it would be a problem for the small clans, well no more than if they went into finals, and i guess better get few points than no points at all.
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Post by MookieNJ on Jan 16, 2007 16:24:45 GMT -5
The point system is good as it is Agreed. If you don't finish in the top 4 of a big team event, you really don't deserve to receive points for it. It sucks to get eliminated early (believe me, I've received 0 points in events more times than I'd like to admit), but in addition to being a lot of fun, CCC is a serious competition, not an "everyone is a winner" feel good lovefest. I would consider making a few very minor changes if they had a lot of popular support -- * Add a point for the winners of the CTON and OCC preliminary events. This is generally a "play it safe" round where all you're looking to do is finish in the top 3 and advance. Give the winner an extra point (possibly 2) as an incentive for everyone to play hard. * Expand the Ironman to 10 players and add points for 5th place. This is a very lengthy event and it would be fair to award a few extra points here. However, if the event remains at 8, I don't think someone who finishes in the bottom half of the standings has earned any points. * Finally, and most controversial, play a match between the two semi-final losers to determine true 3rd and 4th place finishers. However, as SPM previously said, this would require more games to be played and possibly take players away from other events. I'm not really sure that it's necessary, but it's certainly something to think about.
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Post by stilgar on Jan 17, 2007 6:47:53 GMT -5
The point system is good as it is Agreed too.
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Post by tamijo on Jan 17, 2007 8:50:22 GMT -5
I was hoping for other lower rank clans to back me up here like KC FUN ect. As that is not happening, i guess ill have to get a lot better, join a higer level clan, and get some competision there. cos it seems as if its not possible to get competision between lower ranked clans into the CCC. !
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Post by Bantams on Jan 17, 2007 9:27:29 GMT -5
The point system is good as it is Agreed. If you don't finish in the top 4 of a big team event, you really don't deserve to receive points for it. It sucks to get eliminated early (believe me, I've received 0 points in events more times than I'd like to admit), but in addition to being a lot of fun, CCC is a serious competition, not an "everyone is a winner" feel good lovefest. I would consider making a few very minor changes if they had a lot of popular support -- * Add a point for the winners of the CTON and OCC preliminary events. This is generally a "play it safe" round where all you're looking to do is finish in the top 3 and advance. Give the winner an extra point (possibly 2) as an incentive for everyone to play hard. Great Idea Thats a very good idea Like ive said before 3 points for 3rd place in the ironman should be increased 3 points for playing such a long game without any sub taking over almost makes it not worth playing in also I would make the maximum subs 1 only for the ironman Agreed maybe play the 3rd place games on a differant day though
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Jan 17, 2007 11:15:42 GMT -5
I have been following this thread and agree that this issue is a bit slippery. I do believe that the Ironman event could use an overhaul in more fairly granting points to reflect the efforts put into playing this scenario. Also, anything that helps with the clarification of rules for games that go astray due to technical issues like multiple drops or incorrect game settings, would also be helpful. The only problem with this is that we are a creative bunch and seem to come up with different types of controversy with each CCC! Afterall, not every game should turn into an Ironman due to technical difficulties...
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