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Cton
Aug 25, 2006 23:15:15 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Aug 25, 2006 23:15:15 GMT -5
Never do 10 on standard map agian, its not designed for it and the map is seriously distored, i had nearest resource 9 tiles from capital with enermy about 13 tiles on each side. I had a double forest axe on me before i could get metal and i must have been first to get settler, because i got it SUPER early.
Also because the map is not deisgned for such cramping, 1 side had 2 neighbours, although they fought amoung themselves, it still meant a huge number of units had to be placed on 3 fronts rather then 2.
Lastly the lagg was unreal, i have played many many many 10 player games with no problems, you need 10 players with known good connections, but in a normal ladder game if a game is lagy it is scrapped vert early on. But in the CCC people that normally dont play with each other are competing and on top of that there is no scrap option!
This must be changed, ask all others in game!
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Cton
Aug 26, 2006 0:16:31 GMT -5
Post by MookieNJ on Aug 26, 2006 0:16:31 GMT -5
Maybe it should be played as 2 seperate 5 player ctons and have the top 3 players from each cton advance to a 6 player final round?
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Cton
Aug 26, 2006 2:15:35 GMT -5
Post by Bantams on Aug 26, 2006 2:15:35 GMT -5
I agree 10 player ctons in ccc are crazy must do two 5 player games instead atleast 2 five player games will end long before one 10 player game does then the top 2 players could do a nice 1v1 afterwards to descide overall champion with the top player from each 5 player game getting win for that then the over winner of the 1v1 getting 1 extra point perhaps
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Cton
Aug 26, 2006 5:47:01 GMT -5
Post by swissy on Aug 26, 2006 5:47:01 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with the number of players. Perhaps the c4f version of the map should have been used, as every 9+ player cton I've ever played was pretty much a start area driven game due to the crowded map. But, the game settings were set before the number of clans were known.
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Cton
Aug 26, 2006 6:23:43 GMT -5
Post by civerdan on Aug 26, 2006 6:23:43 GMT -5
I have found >8 on standard map causes problems, one game with 9 I started five tiles from someone.
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Cton
Aug 26, 2006 7:00:02 GMT -5
Post by MookieNJ on Aug 26, 2006 7:00:02 GMT -5
According to the designer of the maps, the scripts will essentially "break" if there are more than 5 on small or more than 7 on standard. While this doesn't necessarily mean that you'll start on top of each other, there is a decent possibility that it will happen. I'd rather avoid the situation altogether and stick to the recommended number of players per map size, especially when there's an easy solution of running two 5 player ctons and moving the top 6 or 7 scorers to a final round. The entire cton event would still be shorter in time than most of the teamer events.
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Cton
Aug 26, 2006 10:02:31 GMT -5
Post by alexcherbourg on Aug 26, 2006 10:02:31 GMT -5
I had four enemy borders nearby mine... Even though I had crazy cap, I think there would be a way to make this event more balanced.
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Cton
Aug 26, 2006 16:34:00 GMT -5
Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 26, 2006 16:34:00 GMT -5
Good suggestion - I believe we should try breaking the CTON up into two groups and also go back to Ironman prelim for same reason. Max 8 players on Standard map.
Best, SPM
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 0:21:52 GMT -5
Post by swissy on Aug 27, 2006 0:21:52 GMT -5
We should drop the Ironman and go with an Ultimate Cton type event. One where anyone on the official CCC roster may enter and we play down to a nice 6-7 player final game. It could be done in 2-3 rounds. The ironman is just not playable anymore, to many questionable connections, to many units, to many players leaving when they have no chance to be top four but aren't dead yet.
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 3:48:27 GMT -5
Post by tommynt on Aug 27, 2006 3:48:27 GMT -5
swissy all things u state have been in every ironman, still i dont think that it s unplayable.
also ring and hub map generates kinda fair maps also for 8-10 players
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 6:59:00 GMT -5
Post by MookieNJ on Aug 27, 2006 6:59:00 GMT -5
Also, the Ironman is much more of an "Ironsubs" event. How many players actually stuck around and played the whole thing? I know you love Ironman Tommy, but how often to do you actually play out all of the 5 minute lagfest turns at the end of the game?
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icbm
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 9:10:12 GMT -5
Post by icbm on Aug 27, 2006 9:10:12 GMT -5
I think hub is strategically the best map for ironman since it's quite easy to defend until astronomy after which I don't think defending should be easy. Resource/land wise, it's often as unfair as the wheel so if a solution to this could be figured out it would be an awesome Ironman map. Also I think it might be an idea to start medieval or renaissance with the Ironman rules. It's much easier to modify your land(even if it's not so great) so you can get your game going when starting at the renaissance or even medieval era. Just an idea. Also, would be nice to perhaps turn off space race for once to really see some crazy battles And I agree that diplomacy games could be a nice change too.
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 11:52:32 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on Aug 27, 2006 11:52:32 GMT -5
My props to the real Ironman....Swissy. I don't know how you played for that long. I was only in the game for 3 hours and I wanted to shoot somebody.
And you can refer to my reply on the Ironman Scandal post on what I think about people who praise the IronSub event. If you're not there to deal with 10+ min turns. You can shut your hole, respectfully. The only way I can describe that event towards end-game is any sci-fi movie/show/episode where time becomes distorted and everything is in slow motion, but your brain is not. It hurts. Why do you want to hurt me? You must be a terrorist. GET HIM!
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 18:17:51 GMT -5
Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 27, 2006 18:17:51 GMT -5
Yes Swissy is a true ironman contenter and deserves that tittle if not the points CS
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 18:50:21 GMT -5
Post by mansurji on Aug 27, 2006 18:50:21 GMT -5
My props to the real Ironman.... There's already two of them, thanks. We owned the game for about 300 points until the renaissance on all players ( except near the end when i slaved my invasion army ), so i guess there's no trouble on who deserve the title of ironman for this time. Thought i respect swissy for playing the event from the begin, it shouldnt have been easy. Yeeeps was on a good way to do it too, when he have been asked to leave because of his lag around modern era, but i guess it can be said he's an ironman too. Hmm... anyway. I dont want to speak more about the matter we get, Reepher, but when you say << If you're not there to deal with 10+ min turns. You can shut your hole, respectfully >> i have to remind you that the idea of breaking the game was your. Respectfully.
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 19:14:10 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on Aug 27, 2006 19:14:10 GMT -5
Yes, it was. The game was unplayable. What do you want me to say? The game is all peachy and it works. I won't deny the game was a big bowl of crap by that point. 3 hours and 20 turns.
I was conned into subbing into the IronSub event and couldn't find a replacement. So yes, I will try and get out of a situation I don't want to be in and it was at a point where the game was unplayable, at least by my standards.
If you don't see what kind of will it took for someone to play that event for over 14 hours in one sitting with that kind of lag, I dunno what would gain your respect. I believe one player playing the event the whole way through is what the spirit of the Ironman is about, however it's degenerated into the IronSub fest due to the technical problems of lag, blah, blah, blah.
The event should not be in the CCC, period. There are still technical issues with the game. You tell me the designers wanted a game like this to have that much lag with turns lasting 9-12 minutes....I highly doubt it.
If it ain't broke....don't fix it. Sometimes though, you have to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Since you were a sub, I'd consider you an IronSub. Maybe Yeeps could be the Copperman.
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 19:24:13 GMT -5
Post by mansurji on Aug 27, 2006 19:24:13 GMT -5
Be advised i wasnt a sub, dude. Please get some informations before saying things like this.
I've launched the game for the OS, from antic to renaissance. On ren, i've counter-striked Ebd and made him concede. A few after that, i've crashed. In a way for not bullying people with another sub break later in the game, we decided I and Saurus that he will take my place at this time, right in war with uastranger. He subbed me for like 2 or 3 hours, indus and early modern era, then i took my seat back. I must have played more than 10 hours of the game, but i thought that it was in the rule.
You are someone hard to define, Reepher. You say that people which couldnt handle the lag-fest of the late turns should shut their mouth, but you recognize that you wasnt able to handle it and keep speaking. You were the first to say that swissy should be kicked out of the ranking, and you were also the first to say that it wasnt fair, when you saw him on lobby. You are really hard to define... like these lunatic people.
Just a thing, about yeeeps. If i knew he's been asked to leave the event because of his lag, even if he was ready to play until the end, i would have asked the same for swissy, with reasons. All things would be better right now.
To finish, when you say << If you don't see what kind of will it took for someone to play that event for over 14 hours in one sitting with that kind of lag, I dunno what would gain your respect >> i'll answer read my previous message again, and read it carefully. And keep in mind i know that better than you.
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 20:31:15 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on Aug 27, 2006 20:31:15 GMT -5
That's right...I am hard to pin down. I also don't let my contradictions tie me down. *Thank you George Bush Jr.*
That's right, I told people who don't sit through the whole event to shut it, because it is the IRONMAN. I consider a sub for this event to be like a substitute teacher, just here for a duration so you can poop, eat, shower, spank the monkey. Which your sub enabled you to do.
However, Swissy put even more time into the event, so yes, I will give him props. I laid out my reasons for why I would give my congratulations to him. Now, as to why you take offense at me praising Swissy is your problem. Keep taking potshots at my character, I could care less, it's a freakin game.
Since you did start it out, I'll congratulate you on being the Copperman and Yeeps as the IronSub. You just couldn't let it go, could you?
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 20:33:56 GMT -5
Post by mansurji on Aug 27, 2006 20:33:56 GMT -5
La bave du crapaud n'atteins pas la blanche colombe, as we say in france.
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Cton
Aug 27, 2006 20:42:14 GMT -5
Post by knupp on Aug 27, 2006 20:42:14 GMT -5
Online Translation: "The dribble of the clamping plate do not reach the white dove" wtf
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