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Post by whiplash on Mar 22, 2007 14:04:00 GMT -5
If it's posted here or printed in the newspaper the word to use is libel, not slander. The more general term is defamation.
To qualify as either, the message must be presented as fact when it was actually untrue. Saying FP suxxx as an admin is not defamation, no "fact" is presented but merely an opinion or value judgement. I could write a similar message regarding the mayor of this town and submit it to the local fishwrapper for publication with no fear of being accused of defamation.
If MGT would have said that FP peeks into the women's restroom using a spying device he installed, that would be defamation.
As far as Case's Terms of Service (which is often used by admin's as an excuse for censorship) goes, there are only prohibitions against the following:
Profanity Illegal Content Pornography Promotion of racism or violence Hate speech
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Post by smatt834 on Mar 22, 2007 14:29:32 GMT -5
whiplash has worded this much better than I did. good job. i think this forum is great and I wouldn't change anything about the way the admins do their jobs. Keep up the good work.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 22, 2007 23:42:10 GMT -5
Whip I'm not going to debate endlessly with you, I well know your opinions. We(the C4P admins) have always enforced a policy that players can not harass or abuse other players. MrGt's post was just that, the issue was already solved by the admin team to his and our satisfaction and should have remained private. MrGT took the issue, after the fact, to the forums for nothing more than his amusement at the expense of a former admin. I chose to remove it as it was clearly harassment and had no place in a public forum in the first place. You can disagree with my actions but the reasons, IMHO, are sound.
If we had not promptly dealt with his complaint then he might have been justified in taking his case to the forums, but that is not what happened. There was no censorship, just the application of our policies. If I wanted to censor MrGT I certainly would have done so well before now as we all know he likes to post "interesting" threads.
CS
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Post by Bantams on Mar 23, 2007 6:50:30 GMT -5
If it wasnt for the Great Admin Team you would all still be looking at my Dumb Ass Avator lol (wasnt my fault copy pasted a yahoo link and went on holiday) Keep up the Good work You Crazy Admins
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Post by whiplash on Mar 23, 2007 8:01:16 GMT -5
Whip I'm not going to debate endlessly with you, I well know your opinions. We(the C4P admins) have always enforced a policy that players can not harass or abuse other players. MrGt's post was just that, the issue was already solved by the admin team to his and our satisfaction and should have remained private. MrGT took the issue, after the fact, to the forums for nothing more than his amusement at the expense of a former admin. I chose to remove it as it was clearly harassment and had no place in a public forum in the first place. You can disagree with my actions but the reasons, IMHO, are sound. If we had not promptly dealt with his complaint then he might have been justified in taking his case to the forums, but that is not what happened. There was no censorship, just the application of our policies. If I wanted to censor MrGT I certainly would have done so well before now as we all know he likes to post "interesting" threads. CS Well, now I'm confused. Maybe it's just the terms being thrown about, like "slander". You say "there was no censorship" but didn't you remove his post? If so, regardless of "policy" it is censorship. Where is the line between "harrasment" and descent? Is criticism of an admin, in this case former admin, not allowed by "policy"?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 23, 2007 9:15:29 GMT -5
Ok I'll agree it was justified censorship, I didn't use that term before since most people wouldn't discern the difference. And it wasn't criticism at all, just a post aimed at flaming that person for no justifiable end, other than personal ammusement. The situation that was discussed was already dealt with and bring it to the forums was not nessecary, MrGT was just trying to "stir the pot", but in this case it crossed the line and therefore I moved the post. End of story.
CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 23, 2007 9:18:18 GMT -5
And IMHO the difference between harassement and decent is that harassement is aimed at an individual, descent is aimed at policies and procedures. If I was going to censor descent your posts in this thread would not be here either CS
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Post by tamijo on Mar 24, 2007 4:51:20 GMT -5
CS sorry about that, was maby just my Azz beeing bored. And my curiosity taking controll off me. It was not my intention to sound as if im all for people trowing dirt on each other's faces, without anyone able to controll that. Is fine that you remove stuf that is offencive to fellow players.
I personaly pissed about the way the so called "free" world is killing people in the name off "democracy", and that triggered my analogy to censur, i was too stupid to think, that the reaction would be that it is OK to harras each other in the forum.
As the old Tao'ists said, the one speaking isnt thinking, and the thinker isnt talking. I should have shut my mouth.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 24, 2007 13:23:51 GMT -5
Don't worry to much about it tamijo, I have a thick skin, what I posted was for the whole ladders benefit not aimed at you.
CS
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Post by whiplash on Mar 25, 2007 6:18:35 GMT -5
And IMHO the difference between harassement and decent is that harassement is aimed at an individual, descent is aimed at policies and procedures. If I was going to censor descent your posts in this thread would not be here either CS Good distinction!
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