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Post by tommynt on May 8, 2006 16:34:04 GMT -5
I just played 2 teamers and in both games there was 1 guy who wasnt that bad at playing civ (buildup) - but who neither listed to advice for teamplay - nor did think (looks like he was not able to think) before moving his units.
Thats just pointless playing such games and i think I m done with that for all time - why does some1 join a teamer who dont want to play as a teamplayer or who cant speak english or who dont have a brain?
i really tried everything - i said pls all do this tech fexample to get another tech from oracöe after - no change .. i keept on saying it for 3 turns - very polite jsut pls do he tech .. 2 out of 5 just didnt
so i think oh people dont like my techa dvice - so i follew em and we end up having cataspults 20 t after opponents
i m behind 1 player and d like to have at leats some land to expand and ping sometimes and even put a sign that i want to build a city at some spot - my "teammate" just plants 1 tile beside that - no like he d not have had load of room in other directions
i say - pls just stay back - if u move some units they just die to catas - what he does? bringin lil 6 axe stack after another right to catas and elephnts - i gift him artist and say plant city somehwere ans use there - he just bomb another city kinda in our back
oh wel in the end i had another artist and a really big satck for him and ask him to plant city and stret and kill - after 10 turns he really builds city and bomb - but instead staying in 2 tile distance where i pinged 10 tiems he moves right in front of opp city to die to catas again
another teamate got 2 on 1 on his side but just dont join his teamamte s attack even when everybody asks him to do
so in the end u tell em thier mistakes and all they do is insult and quit every game where not realyl only experinced players are in end like that - there s just not enough room for misstake after mistake in teamer and game design makes it imposible to overcome the weak link as rest of team (espacially when he even takes youor land)
not sure what i wana say in this thread - but it suckz
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Post by ironclad on May 8, 2006 16:45:23 GMT -5
i have seen wayyyyyy worse at least he survived lol
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Post by tommynt on May 8, 2006 17:40:25 GMT -5
thats the thing - sure i have seen worse players - but the lack of inteligence and lack of teamplay thats the disgsusting
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Post by Elledge on May 8, 2006 18:46:14 GMT -5
Shame there isn't a ladder ranking system, so you would know who has bananas for brains before they enter your game!
Oh, wait...
Seriously, why not just say "if your ladder record sucks donkey balls, go play another game; this is for experts?"
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Post by weaksauce on May 8, 2006 19:12:23 GMT -5
thats the thing - sure i have seen worse players - but the lack of inteligence and lack of teamplay thats the disgsusting the first team game you lost was due to noobs for sure. the second game where we killed a pretty experienced "top 20 player" first, i dont think was entirely due to do w/ the 'noob' on your team... that guy on ur team may be bad, but your experienced teammates made errors and died... we also built every single wonder in the game except parthenon.. the flipside to all this, of course, is to never play a game until exactly the people you want in the room are there... which is how some people on this ladder act. a few people who worry about rank and only winning seem to do this.... in that case, you wont play as much, and it's a pretty lame way to carry oneself... i think. /weak
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Post by whiplash on May 8, 2006 20:35:45 GMT -5
There will always be players who think that because they have invested 1,000 hours in order to beat the AI in SP that they have mastered the game. They venture into MP and think that they know it all. These are the same types of people who play a Tom Cruise role in real life and are blown away by somebody who understands the real world.
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Post by Necrominousss on May 8, 2006 20:45:47 GMT -5
"donkey balls" lol... that cracked me up.
Will that fit in a game title?-- ladder record can't suck donkey balls teamer
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Post by whiplash on May 8, 2006 20:48:18 GMT -5
I prefered the "bananas for brains" analogy.
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Post by Tony on May 8, 2006 20:53:29 GMT -5
Too many people getting a little too big for their boots IMO.
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Post by mrgametheory on May 9, 2006 0:41:15 GMT -5
I am 100% with tommy. I just recently quit pick up teamers. Yes I will be playing less games, but there is no amount of skill that can make up for a link that is just too weak and I personally can't deal with the aggravation of losing 1-3 hours of time due to someone "I don't know" making a mistake(s) that costs the team the game. And f**k hosts who refuse to boot players in a supposed expert game who are new to civ 4. I believe they need to learn the game, but they need to play at their own level or a little higher, not at the penthouse level. If your a host and there is only 1 "real" ladder game going and you happen to be the host of it, don't refuse to boot a new player in exchange for an advanced player that you know for a fact will not be on "your" team, especially when people are asking you to boot that player to make the teams more balanced. ohh and f**k rank or win Percentage, I care about my time and receiving the fruits of my labor "which is the satisfaction of victory and knowing I didn't waste my time for nothing." (and also) Another small problem is when you get to pick up games with top ranked players there is sometimes a serious conflict of strategy which is only logical in a pick up game situation, but if a player is going to doubt strategy or at least not listen to the person that the team as a whole is following, they should at least analyze what is going on before they open their mouths or refuse to listen. I have less problems with the later due to most players being smart enough to think before they open their mouths. But in terms of the first, there is a big problem with players being disguised in high rank but not actually knowing what they are doing.
I am going to be sticking to 1v1, Cton, 2v2,clan Teamers, and random experimental games from now on - So I guess I will be missing out on 95% of the ladder games due to the fact that most ladder newbs cant play anything but pickup Ren 3v3 - 6v6 no cossacks which is 85% dependent on surrounding resources within 6 squares of the capital. Id like to see you people play a medieval or Industrial game.
Lets face it, you guys wouldn't last 40 turns in these types of game and they are 10x more exciting than Ren. and when it comes to any other era, you cant tec to save your lives so you stick to games where you only have to get 3 tecs and rush to get calvary and pray that you have better land or the other team has weaker links.
And it may suck in some ways to miss out on the games, but at least I wont be wasting 50% of my Civ 4 time looking at a frozen clock or sitting in the staging room.
In the end, the main problem is there is a lack of good players that play this game. There are only like 30 in the 1 million people that play this game (that I have seen or even heard about from the list of members in that 30). Currently everyone in ladder is on a Ren diet, but I wish I could occasionally see some different eras thrown into the mix atleast.
I am sorry if this was all over the place and it was some kinda of inner rant out of anger and my disses on brainless people playing civ.
And thats all I have to say.........
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Post by Magzi on May 9, 2006 1:50:22 GMT -5
Makes me a bit worried about joining teamers!
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Post by GERMANIA on May 9, 2006 6:55:34 GMT -5
Well i have no problems with newbs if they listen and try to learn how we ladders plays and that means aggressive, you should listen to the best player of your team ore at least listen to the captain of the team, you can not play your own game and argue with a player in your team what a BS he is doing there and how he is waisting his land ore that you shouldn't attack over a lake a unit in a forest... just silly stuff like that witch usually every one knows and if not you as newb should asked why and then don't do it again instead to ignore the captain and lose the game for your hole team, then i can only agree with tommynt and play ctons and don't waist our time..
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Post by tommynt on May 9, 2006 9:09:19 GMT -5
I think I clearly stated that it is no problem to be less experienced as others - but u gotta try to take your role in team and listen to captains advices
no1 ll tell u how to move your worker or so - but before doing a lonly attack for example u should just ask other to join attack for example
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Post by Lestat on May 9, 2006 10:14:52 GMT -5
Im realy sick of those team crap. We all kno that same 10-15 peps playing teamers. When they are lack of players they are inviting "noobs-peps which rare playing temers whit them".Those noob was always quilty for lose but it is not true. Yes somethimes those peps are quilty but somethimes not. Hmmm I was playing 1v1 future with 1 noob-expert. He lost town at start of game, after 20 turns i boated him and kill him. Because it was 1v1 hes comment was : 1. U was lucky for taking town at start 2. I was doing same think in same turn (boating) but u are faster. He just want to blame some one or somethink about hes lose. Imagine that was timer and noob player doing same thing. He will be quilty for lose. Guys where is fun in those game I think that ladder rules must be changed or we will find lack of members here. Ladder is league of 500 registered players German.. noob, experts no matter. If those teamer noobs think that they are ladder im out of here. Tommy i have recpect for u, I think that u have right to post topic like that. But you are affecting negative to others team players and result is disaster for ladder. "Noob" dont join theirs teamer games, let them fight each other.
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Post by tommynt on May 9, 2006 11:11:59 GMT -5
oh well lestat read careful before answering pls - I dont say that a "noob" player in overall is a problem but when some1 dont play as a teamplayer mainly - sure if some1 lacks bsics thats bad aswell
and when some1 is lucky he s lucky - thats it
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Post by GERMANIA on May 9, 2006 13:43:31 GMT -5
Ladder is league of 500 registered players German.. noob, "Noob" You call me a newb ? YOU HAHAAHA well i better expletive deleted my post, but yea you have the skill right ?
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Post by Avogadro on May 9, 2006 13:52:35 GMT -5
The one's who play alone and not for the team either:
A-learn to play as a team B-Play ctons C-Quit ladder
So you guys lose a few games because of players who don't know what they are doing. Big whoop! If even 1/2 of those noobs decide to stay on ladder, you will have friends to play with for months to come....Statements like these will only diminish the number of people who wish to play with you.
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Post by swissy on May 9, 2006 17:42:58 GMT -5
I dislike playing teamers because of the holier-than-thou attitude of players who are above average, but think they are best player in the game. They brag, berate and basically make the game unbearble to play.
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Post by Lestat on May 9, 2006 18:06:28 GMT -5
Ladder is league of 500 registered players German.. noob, "Noob" You call me a newb ? YOU HAHAAHA well i better expletive deleted my post, but yea you have the skill right ? No Germ i said that in ladder are :noobs, experts no matter. Ladder is league of 500 registered players German.. noob, experts no matter. If those teamer noobs think that they are ladder im out of here.
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Post by Lestat on May 9, 2006 18:11:36 GMT -5
The one's who play alone and not for the team either: A-learn to play as a team B-Play ctons C-Quit ladder So you guys lose a few games because of players who don't know what they are doing. Big whoop! If even 1/2 of those noobs decide to stay on ladder, you will have friends to play with for months to come....Statements like these will only diminish the number of people who wish to play with you. Negative Avo : A-learn to play as a team with decent players B-Play ctons C-Quit playing teamers wiht those smart guys Your post have 2 dimension. At first u said quit ladder but at the end of post u was worrying about of less people in ladder.
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