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Post by Ellestar on Nov 14, 2007 4:46:31 GMT -5
No one has said that people like Geforced or Ellstar can not be invited, if they so desire. To date I don't beleive that they have indicated that they want to assist us, although it seems that they are working on something with MGT, although I'm not aware of the status of that project other than what Geforced has stated in this thread. But if they want to contribute there expertise it would certainly be welcome. Well, i believe i said that i can try to help with the project. To the best of my ability, i understood that your reply meant that you don't need my help. civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1189726740&page=6I'm not sure what kind of ladder MGT wants and i never said that i'll help him in that because IMHO it's a waste of time. I said only that i'll help with a game mod. Mod will be obviosly even more imbalanced than BtS (for whatever reason MGT thinks the opposite) but probably it will be fun to play for a while. And probably there will be some good ideas for a balanced mod ;D
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 14, 2007 5:06:28 GMT -5
That is a possibility, but we don't want to make things more complicated than need be until we are sure that it is the best course of action. There is a lot to be said for keeping things simple too. CS Hmm, i guess you have a wrong judgement call on things which are complicated to code and which aren't. As long as game type is stored in a database (and you already said that it is), writing the code that will apply a different weight coefficient to a different game type will take about the same time as writing this post. And discussion about which exact weight coefficients to choose will certainly take more time than that ;D
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 14, 2007 5:07:17 GMT -5
Personally, I've known Ellstar as a player for some time now, and at no time did I become aware that he was a web database programmer, if that is infact his area of expertise. I may know alot about alot of players, but I can't know everything. If there are players on the ladder that have real life skills that can help us and they want to help, I would expect them to come forward and identify themselves and what they can do for this community. CS It's from another thread, but let's keep it in this one. Actually, i said that it is not my speciality (see the link above) but i made some things on PHP/MySQL for other fansites. So maybe i'm not the best candidate to make it from the scratch, but i can help developing the project.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 14, 2007 9:50:37 GMT -5
I'm not a programmer at all, so I wasn't refering to how complicated it would be to program, but how complicated it would be for the average player to understand a system that changes the weighting depending on the game type listed.
Our database is MySQL, if you think you have time to help I'll talk to Slaughter about that, I'm not sure if he needs/wants help on the code side, but there is also the ability to just help brainstorm as well.
CS
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 15, 2007 6:49:47 GMT -5
I'm not a programmer at all, so I wasn't refering to how complicated it would be to program, but how complicated it would be for the average player to understand a system that changes the weighting depending on the game type listed. I don't think a single multiplication will make or break it, it will be about as complicated. However, it will make it better.
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Post by metallian on Nov 21, 2007 12:22:39 GMT -5
I'm not a programmer at all, so I wasn't refering to how complicated it would be to program, but how complicated it would be for the average player to understand a system that changes the weighting depending on the game type listed. I don't think a single multiplication will make or break it, it will be about as complicated. However, it will make it better. I agree with Ellestar we need different types of ladders. 1v1, Cton, Teamer, OCC, and Clan ladders would be ideal. We don't need a duplication of cases ladder where every game type is grouped into one. We need a ladder that will promote more clan play not more shuffle teamers.
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Post by geforced on Nov 21, 2007 18:12:02 GMT -5
I agree with Ellestar we need different types of ladders. 1v1, Cton, Teamer, OCC, and Clan ladders would be ideal. We don't need a duplication of cases ladder where every game type is grouped into one. We need a ladder that will promote more clan play not more shuffle teamers.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 21, 2007 22:51:07 GMT -5
I agree with Ellestar we need different types of ladders. 1v1, Cton, Teamer, OCC, and Clan ladders would be ideal. We don't need a duplication of cases ladder where every game type is grouped into one. We need a ladder that will promote more clan play not more shuffle teamers. I'm afraid that we seem to have a basic difference of opinion, in what this new league or any league/ladder is suppose to function as. Let me be clear, Civ4players will not force players to conform to any game style or type. The league software is a recording/rating mechanism only, and it will reflect what ever is being played by it's players, not vice versa. In fact if some new game style appears that warrants it's own statistics we will be glad to program that into the league system. In the end no matter what games you play, your skill will give you a rating that places you somewhere on the main league rankings. Our goal is to do this in a fair manner so that no matter what games you prefer the system will rate you fairly against everyone else. Now our stats pages will be glad to provide detailed stats on every game style, so that if you feel that your cton matches are more important you will be able to see how far up the cton skill rankings you are, same with all game styles. That is why the reporting page starts out asking you what type of game it is. CS
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Post by Captain Mitchell on Nov 28, 2007 2:57:58 GMT -5
So far I like the idea. This is actually kind of what I was looking for with the Civ Clan League. With the ability to rank and order clans, perhaps in between the CCC's, we could schedule matches like I thought of for the CCL. Each team competes in the same number of games. On a smaller scale, (5 or less), all teams are in one division or conference. Your rank or position determines where you fall in the tournament. As you get more clans (6 or more) You should split to keep it consistent, and so you don't need to have all teams play each other once, only those in their conference in the division.
Ultimately, as you reach 16 clans (though it's a bit of a stretch), you could do a combo, and top teams get into a playoffs. With each team playing same amount of matches, one clan doesn't benefit from playing many more matches than any other clan. Conferences and divisions don't do much except determine who goes where and who plays what in the tournament or playoffs. Basically the records would mean a whole lot more. And with divisions, you're competing against 3 other clans, which means more clans get more exposure.
The clan win/loss system is great, especially for the CCC, where you're positioning really isn't determined. It's a good way to seperate the clans that compete all the time verses the ones that aren't there all the time. But it's also good to have something for those who are starting out.
When you're comparing your stats with all the other clans, if you're near the bottom all the time, you may feel discouraged, and people might not want to join the "bad clan". As you split it up, suddenly the deficit don't look as bad, and you may get more clans to stay and join. And if you force better records to gain playoff eligibility, it give people something to strive for in between the tournaments. If they know that entry is not guaranteed, the matches will become that much more important. And with scheduled matches, you will get the opportunity to play a lot more clans under different scenarios.
ON ANOTHER NOTE:
For clan records, how would you rate clans in ctons? 1st placemen getting the clan win would defeat the cton, where it would become a teamer against those of the other clan. or perhaps take the average of where the players finish or something. Because if it's just who wins, then you wind up with the clans confering or determining who to help, not attack, who to attack. I was just curious on how they would handle this.
Thanks, Bill
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Post by Bantams on Nov 28, 2007 17:27:02 GMT -5
any news regards the launch date yet? i suggest we go for 1/12/2007
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Post by [KPT]colonel81 on Dec 21, 2007 11:00:38 GMT -5
Hello i m colonel81 I have a problem with my compte... I'm french and it is very difficult for move inte site Plz me help i don t find my compte in ladder and I recherch because if my compte isn t activ my first part (euh comment on dit lol) it s false. I don t know if you are understand but thx for the reponse ;D
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Post by moineau on Dec 21, 2007 11:19:19 GMT -5
damn frenchie, kick them ;D Ok managed it.
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Post by [KPT]colonel81 on Dec 21, 2007 11:26:45 GMT -5
Oh a bird where is my gun
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Post by Levi on Dec 21, 2007 11:58:32 GMT -5
I was getting silly in the lobby the other day and had an idea for the new ladder that I thought might be fun to discuss. Keep in mind that this idea is proposed partly in jest, because I am not sure it is a good idea, but it might not be a bad one either. I assume the new ladder is going to have a penalty box. When someone is put in the penalty box, they have either to plead their case to the admins, perhaps begging for forgiveness, or they can wait it out. But what if a person could “buy” themselves out of the penalty box using their credit card? The new ladder will have a connection to pay pal if I am not mistaken, so it wouldn’t be impossible to make the penalty box a means by which the ladder can generate income.
I fully realize how controversial an idea this is. It could have profound ramifications on the ladder itself. The admins might be more inclined to box a person, and a wealthy person might be inclined to behave badly with the intent of getting boxed only to magically get out of the box time after time. It may not even be viewed as fair by someone that did not have the means to buy themselves out.
There are many reasons not to implement such a system but there are some reasons to consider it. It would certainly generate a profit that we, as a community, could use to pay for things above and beyond the cost of the server. Presuming this “pay to get out of jail free” card did create surplus money for the ladder, we could buy our own trophies. I would love to see the people that deserve to get boxed, pay for the trophies for our ladder’s tournaments. What is your opinion?
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Post by whiplash on Dec 21, 2007 12:39:19 GMT -5
I volunteer for Treasurer. ;D
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Post by tamijo on Dec 26, 2007 19:04:21 GMT -5
"Old" ladder report page says LADDER HAS BEEN MOVED
Isent that i bit too early, looks like new is still only testing
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Post by Canucksoldier on Dec 26, 2007 23:01:16 GMT -5
"Old" ladder report page says LADDER HAS BEEN MOVED Isent that i bit too early, looks like new is still only testing That is just Cases moving us to a non-plus server after our plus service expired, it is not us "moving" to our new system, Cases will have nothing to do with that. When we do make the decision to do this it will be a phased approach, first I will make the our myleague "invite only" so that no new members can join it. This will be accompanied by a main page announcement and newsletter indicating were the new league is and how to join it. Then a couple weeks later I will officially delete the myleague, Cases still alows the league to "exist" for several weeks after that so we can look up players and there emails etc and people can move there gold accounts to other myleagues if they so desire. But we will be giving all premium members a free 1 year premium membership on Civplayers league. At approx the same time I will lock the old forums, you will still be able to read them for historical content, but we expect people to use the new integrated forums by then. If there are any questions feel free to ask. CS
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Post by DrShot on Dec 26, 2007 23:29:56 GMT -5
My Gold expires in 2 weeks or so
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grilla
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Post by grilla on Dec 27, 2007 7:21:31 GMT -5
yeah, mine in about ten days .......
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Post by Canucksoldier on Dec 27, 2007 15:34:10 GMT -5
Well I'm sure we can expand the intent to include anyone that has had gold in the past 6 months or so, btw Shot and Grill you have emails from myself.
CS
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