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Post by tamijo on Aug 21, 2006 6:22:21 GMT -5
The idear is great, and if you want everyone to have a chance of winning, you could make it "computer" chose teams off 2. The turnament system can do that.
The best would still have better Od's, but the newb's would on the other hand, have the chance off a lucky "teampick".
Im not saying this should be every time, but sometimes to attract lesser players to these turnaments.
For sure i would try it out, no matter what the rules, expecialy if payouts were a little "spread out", to not only 1 winner.
Eksamble's : (small side prices to)
Fastest 1.st round win (turns) Highest score win 1 st. win with a civ that is not niether FIN nor PHI ect.
I know if you ask top players, they might think this is crazy, but my experience from other games (DART & POOL) is that you need these things if you want many players to be interested.
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Post by nicoya1 on Aug 21, 2006 8:06:03 GMT -5
i think this tourney is a great idea. imagine 1 day being on mtv 8-)going to a internationly civ tourment in ny or someplace.
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Post by ironclad on Aug 21, 2006 11:32:49 GMT -5
never seen a tourney run where people put in money into the pot except poker, which they are trying to amke illegal. To run a tourney have to have some sponosor or fraxis donate something. I won't gamble on civ for sure, a tourney for a prize of course, thats more fun and brings less fights and hatred cause no money involved just a prize ^^
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 21, 2006 13:59:42 GMT -5
tommy, the above quote of you was a joke on me. I wasn't laughing at you. I was laughing at me for speaking too soon. Sry, no offense. Some people may indeed make a lot of money in cash tourneys in other games, I don't know.
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Post by Levi on Aug 23, 2006 16:44:47 GMT -5
Someone pointed out a flaw to me in my cash tournament system using PayPal. It is possible for a person to send me the entry fee, and then take it back. This would lead to someone becoming disgruntled because of a bad start or whatever and take their money back, stealing from the take.
Therefore it will be considered cheating if you pay your entry fee and then take it back. Players cheating in this manner will be dealt with as per the ladder rules regarding cheating. Refunds may be granted by the TD on a case by case basis.
I should add that the tournament is all set up for September 2nd, 12:00 PM CST, the Saturday after the CCC. Send me your $5, your ladder name, and the date and time of the event. You do not register for this event like a normal ladder tournament, you have to send me the money first, then you will receive your invitation. My PayPal account email is the same as my ladder account, rmarenda@charter.net
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Post by mrgametheory on Aug 23, 2006 18:56:09 GMT -5
I wish you luck in getting this to work. If you gradually get that pot up to like $5,000 - $10,000 a tournament every month, I may have incentive to join back up again. To be completely honest, I have actually been greatly considering hosting a Civ 4 tournament for major cash. I was going to put up $200 - $2000 a tournament and host 1 every month. There would be 3 Events for the tournament and each event would go on simultaneously in order to make this a 1 day event and make it a team, not clan event. The entry fee would be $20-100 per Team and each team would be comprised of 4 players. Obviously I am expecting to lose loads of money for the first several months, but gradually some decent gamers would come to the game and it would be more incentive for players to get their game up. Plus I've been thinking of something worthless to throw some of my money at The 3 events would be 1v1 - 125 Turns - Mirror - Ancient - Pick - Standard Rules Cton - 250 Turns - Wheel - Ancient - Pick - Full Negotiation allowed, (Without Tec trading) - Other Standard Rules apply 2v2 - 125 Turns - Mirror - Ancient - Pick - Standard Rules Every single month the eras for each event will change so it would be Ancient for the 1v1 the first month and And for the 2v2 the 1st month and the second month it would be different eras for both events or one, etc. 1st place gets 5 points 2nd place gets 3 points 3rd place gets 1 point Whoever has the most points at the end of the tournament wins and will receive 75% of the Prize and 2nd place receives 25% of the prize. If there is a tie for 1st place at the end of this tournament than a 1v1 game would occur to settle everything. ----- In fact, as I write I said why the hell not and I am going to host this tournament September 16th. The time for this Event will be 8AM PST on Saturday September 16th. 1st place Prize is $150 and 2nd place Prize is $50. The entry fee is $1 per team. I will create a paypall account in the next 2 weeks. I will release all of the Detailed information for this event including all pay pall information. If possible I would like to get together with one of the main admins for ladder in order to make this some kind of major ladder event so that people who try to scam the tournament or cheat or blah blah blah, can be dealt with accordingly. I will stick to my guns on this and I will follow through with this. Just consider the money there. I highly suggest you start picking your teams right now. I am hosting the tournament like this in order to get people on pay pal, knowledgeable about the tournament and accepting a fee for it, and seeing if I can breath some life into a Game I had so much hope for. I will be making a Thread on this topic with specific detailed information about the tournament. I suggest that as many people as possible sign up for this tournament, even if you are going to be separating your clans for this tournament. If possible, evenly divide your clans up to make this tournament more fun so their is serious competition. I also suggest everyone advertise this to the ladder, Civ 4 Lobby, French League, and(Everyone). You have 3 and 1/2 weeks to get as many people as possible and if we get a Minimum of 30 teams to sign up for this tournament I will throw another tournament in 1 month and I will make the total prize for that Tournament $300 and I will exponentially raise the prize money after that. Good Luck to us all and this is your chance to actually make something out of this game. PS. I am not to worried about people trying to steal on paypall once the pot for this gets high. There are actually several ways to make sure that noone to take advantage of this system.
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Post by mrgametheory on Aug 23, 2006 19:09:16 GMT -5
And just so you know, for this tournament I dont care if 1 team Signes up or 100000 teams sign up, the prizes will be released. But if no one shows up to this thing I wont do it again after this.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 23, 2006 19:16:07 GMT -5
Yeah, you could choose a point of no return date, on which everyone who wants to play must submit their entry fee. If you give enough time to extract the money from Paypal to your personal account, no one can take their money back.
Are there separate threads or places where each game will be organized?
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Post by Levi on Aug 24, 2006 9:08:51 GMT -5
Rather than you running your own tournament, perhaps you could donate a small amount of cash to my tournament. I would be grateful to receive even as little as $100. I know you aren't a TD, so I suspect it would be quite difficult for you to run your own tournament. I can't believe you used this thread to propose your own cash tournament because to me that seems to be off topic and more than a little rude.
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Post by tommynt on Aug 24, 2006 10:04:03 GMT -5
MGT u crazzy?
150$ + 50 or so = 200
for 1 $ entrence fee?
u ll hardly get 25 people to play if even that many
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Post by smuckey on Aug 24, 2006 11:30:24 GMT -5
MGT, I love the idea, and appreciate your willingness! I will definately be getting a team together. A "free" tournament like this is great, and I can't believe a couple people are so negative...
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Post by icbm on Aug 24, 2006 11:41:02 GMT -5
/starts getting student points to be eligible for Visa to be eligible for PayPal. I definetely want to get a team there and compete.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 25, 2006 11:24:22 GMT -5
Dear Friends:
The CIV4Players Ladder Admin Board has thoroughly debated and discussed the issue of whether we should support/endorse "money" tournaments for CIV4. Our unanimous decision is that we should not.
Our concerns include: (a) how to verify people's ages, (b) how to resolve disputes involving money, (c) how to prevent cheating (which would be incentivized by possible monetary rewards), (d) how to handle demands for refunds, (e) setting up appropriate bank accounts, and PayPal accounts (up to now the Ladder has never needed a bank account, accountant, or reporting to IRS, since no funds change hands).
Frankly, we understand the appeal but think the risks and problems outweigh the benefits.
If anyone wishes to run such a tournament, we have decided that (a) our TDs and our Case's Ladder TD system should not be involved, and (b) our Forums should not be used to publicize such events.
If someone wishes to do this privately that's their business. But I would warn anyone entering such a tournament that CIV4PLAYERS will not become involved in any disputes if you feel you have been cheated or lost money in any way. Any such "money" tournaments are not official ladder events, period.
One of the advantages of the way we are structured, is that no C4P volunteer has to handle or be responsible for money in any way. Our members can play for free. We think that's the best approach for our game. Your mileage may differ.
Best, SPM
PS: Accordingly I will lock this thread and remove it in 48 hours. If Levi, MGT or anyone else wishes to run such events, I recommend they set up their own communication system.
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Post by mrgametheory on Aug 25, 2006 11:35:31 GMT -5
Saying that the Ladder cant endorse a cash tournament is 1 thing, but saying that a cash tournament relating to Civ 4 cant be posted on the boards is another thing. It doesn't seem logical that a (CIV 4 related event) not run by the ladder be banned from spreading the word on your board. So your telling me that you are going to penalize the ladder league from getting the most up to date information on a non ladder league cash event. I guess that bans all ladder leaguers from ever hearing anything about Fraxis or some other party hosting a $100,000 Civ 4 game. Because I know that the second that happens, every gaming and Civ 4 related website on this planet will have posts about it everywhere.
All I ask is that you possibly consider this specific aspect a little more, its fine if ladder will not be involved, but dont penalize the entire Civ 4 ladder community for it. Besides this is a perfect opportunity to actually spread this ladder league by being the ones who's boards was the first to show the birth of such event and you may just be pushing it right out the door.
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Post by deyreepher on Aug 25, 2006 14:34:20 GMT -5
Cash tournaments would be a great idea. The ladder needs to mature and grow, correct? The hardcore players want to put a little more on the line as the current system is sort of bunk. Right now we play for what....name recognition? That doesn't seem to work very well as people seem to be changing their names as often as their socks.
I do see the problems that can arise due to cheating. I still wish there was a replay feature like Starcraft/Warcraft have. A spectator option would be great as well.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 25, 2006 15:56:26 GMT -5
MGT, you could still advertise in the Gamespy Lobby, I think. Then, simply direct interested parties to another website where players can sign up. The advantage is that they don't even have to be Ladder to enter a tourney, as long as they have the cash. However, if we allow the use of this forum for the tournaments, it could be construed as tacit consent on the part of the Admin board.
All in all, I don't think the Ladder will be missing out on not sponsoring cash tourneys. People can still do whatever they want outisde the Ladder, but the Ladder itself will always be about playing for the love of the game only.
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Post by Bantams on Aug 25, 2006 17:15:32 GMT -5
id still like to play one of these games guess the ladder cant have anything to do with them due to the fact they would need a gamming license of some kind
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Post by tommynt on Aug 25, 2006 18:37:45 GMT -5
eh such a tournament is civ related stuff even when not ladder related, there should be some section - we dicuss war in israel why not discuss/publish a civ4 tourney in offtopic?
offtopic section could use some newfreshblood anyway
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 25, 2006 21:36:50 GMT -5
I recommend the off topic thread called 'meet the civvers.'
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Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 28, 2006 8:54:56 GMT -5
After discussion and consideration, we have decided to allow posting about such tournaments in this section of our FORUM.
Please note you enter such events at your own risk. Assume you will never see your money again. Please do not waste the time of any CIV4Players admin or TD complaining about the unfairness of such events or asking for a refund.
We offer this section as a public service to those members of our community interested in non-ladder tournaments and events.
Best, SPM
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