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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 29, 2007 19:58:00 GMT -5
Please give me your feedback now that we are in the first full week of BTS, please don't vote if you have never actually tried Unrestricted leaders yet.
CS
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Post by tamijo on Jul 30, 2007 5:59:35 GMT -5
No ! Bad, another way to make players stop thinking.
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Post by Bantams on Jul 30, 2007 6:02:02 GMT -5
Yes But Only in OCC Renny games a Russian Gandhi Rules
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Post by redphoenix on Jul 30, 2007 6:59:53 GMT -5
It can be fun to toy around, but I hope this setting will NEVER be used in CCC atleast. It is totally unbalancing and stupid. Plus it does ruin a lot of any remote feeling of realism a video game like this can have.
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Post by grilla on Jul 30, 2007 8:11:42 GMT -5
I think its great! lotsa fun laying around with differentt leaders. Why are people so resistent to change?
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Post by marr on Jul 30, 2007 9:06:51 GMT -5
Lizzie Ghandi kicks Russian Ghandis ass any day of the week!
You must be thinking of a Ghandi Russian Batams, but lizzie stilll kcks his ass anyways.
Same arguement as before, just more depth to argue it from now:P
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Post by Arvcran on Jul 30, 2007 12:15:48 GMT -5
I have not voted yet - since I have no practical or theoretical experience with the concept. it seems to defeat the balance that was designed into the CIVs and leaders.
I would have to say it is interesting to try some combos. After all it is only UU/UB combined with traits. What harm is there in it?
Well there is the boudica led praetorians - OMG!
A Praetor coming out with 1 free combat (8.8 strength) kills 2 units (easily) then upgrades to either shock, cover or, city raider. And their was no need for a barracks!! If there is a barracks imagine that? A double combat praetor already killer uber unit now worth 9.6 *and* ready to promote after 1 kill even on defense. What if it was a combat woodsman - now it can be a 2 move jungle /forest uber killer unit. ... I like it! Balanced? Hm ... anyone have a spare vulture or dog warrior brave enough to face this praetor?
Fear the the Romans led by the Celts!
That would be my first observation Ancient analysis I have not even thought of others. But this is the point surely there are counters to it? ... let's see .... Hywatchas - oh they don't kill - but can damage melee ... 5 + 50% ... 7.5 hm ... what about Numidian horse archers ... they come close in open ground. Promoted axes can start to compete. Vultures have a fighting chance at 9 face value giving more than 50% in open ground. But the charismatic influenced aggressive praetor can promote to shock and make it a 10.8 vs a shock Vulture's 11.1 but that would be assuming the vulture is aggressive (well why not chose Ragnar). So yes there is a counter - a marginal one. But will they be on the same team?
I say the jury is still out.
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Post by cryptococcus on Jul 30, 2007 16:58:16 GMT -5
How can you vote no against something you can choose not to use? ROFL
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Post by nicoya1 on Jul 30, 2007 23:31:15 GMT -5
the greatess new add on to civ
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Post by tamijo on Jul 31, 2007 8:10:33 GMT -5
How can you vote no against something you can choose not to use? ROFL Why a vote if y cant vote no. Maby y should read the question again crypto If the question was is it oki that they added this option to BTS i would not vote no, i would vote yes. But i think the question is would i prefer a ladder game with unrestricted civ pick, from a ladder game with restricted civ pick, and then my vote is no.
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Post by tamijo on Jul 31, 2007 8:19:51 GMT -5
Well reading the question again. makes me unsure what it is we decide un.
CS, are y asking if its ok with the option, or are y asking do i want to use it myself (if/when im host)
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 31, 2007 10:34:52 GMT -5
Well reading the question again. makes me unsure what it is we decide un. CS, are y asking if its ok with the option, or are y asking do i want to use it myself (if/when im host) I was looking for a general feeling off if UL should be a normal part of at least some ladder games. Ergo, if the poll indicated that everyone hates them, I likely would not use them in CCC matches. As it stands now, it looks like this option should be used is some matches but not over used. CS
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Post by TheClash on Jul 31, 2007 10:48:09 GMT -5
most OCC starts with unrestricted leaders now
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Post by tamijo on Jul 31, 2007 11:26:09 GMT -5
most OCC starts with unrestricted leaders now No, most OCC's start with everyone playing the Ghandi / Russia So is not a development, is a limitation, before y could chose between Ghandi & Peter & even Elisa, and try to adabt your gamestyle accordenly, now y just have it all (anti skill solution) But as im not playing in CCC, does'nt matter
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Post by zzZhenon on Jul 31, 2007 14:13:54 GMT -5
Unrestricted Leaders shouldn't be a normal option. It can be a single event maybe, like say "EVENT X: Unrestricted ancient teamer 4v4"
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Post by redphoenix on Aug 3, 2007 8:41:29 GMT -5
Well reading the question again. makes me unsure what it is we decide un. CS, are y asking if its ok with the option, or are y asking do i want to use it myself (if/when im host) I was looking for a general feeling off if UL should be a normal part of at least some ladder games. Ergo, if the poll indicated that everyone hates them, I likely would not use them in CCC matches. As it stands now, it looks like this option should be used is some matches but not over used. CS my personal opinion is that its a toy, not something to be generally used. it ruins balance, it ruins fun, it makes it feel like a slugfest. If this setting is ever used in a CCC event, I'll likely not want to ever play that event if I can somehow avoid it.
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Post by Bantams on Aug 3, 2007 9:42:54 GMT -5
Stick it in OCC and CTONs im sure thats the best option
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Post by Atomation on Aug 3, 2007 21:56:20 GMT -5
I love unrestricted leaders but I wish that it were more of a point based system, because certain traits are obviously way way way more powerful (financial and aggressive come to mind). It's hard to justify all of the traits, so it limits the playability to mix and match.
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Post by astax on Aug 7, 2007 21:47:50 GMT -5
Aside prom the LAME and totally overpowered combinations, there are plenty of great combos! Like a Chm with Ethiopia! Ethiopia's UB gives u +1 , you get +1 and another +1 from having the building! That's awesome +3 !!! Generally I thought about great combos for multiplay where you can build a team around something. Like have a Chm team that goes for Stonehenge. And the 3 civs I would use would be Native American, Ethiopia and Egypt because they all have monument as their UB It would be a rather cleaver team heh. You can also have a Spi team that would nab ton of religions and build temples galore All these strategies that are fun, but really unfortunately only useful for novelty as they would get shafted on by the established standards. Still I think it would be fun. Also I noticed quite a bit of traits are a lot more useful now when paired with proper buildings and proper UUs. Protective Babylon is awesome. I was killing stacks of swordsmen with my archers thnx to a little softening up by catapult. Yeah the guy I was playing against was Native American, but then again going swordsman vs archer is a no braienr for any one. (Well not jags maybe)
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