Post by deyreepher on Jun 4, 2007 19:17:20 GMT -5
deviousdevil said:
Some tripe here.
Worst the counter-poaching allegations, team Canada joined us without even asking for permission and we were hardly going to turn them away. Team Australia came to us after their captain was asked if he'd like to. There wasn't a "free" Australia or Canadian team trying to run independently, so what you're saying is nonsense as has become a theme. Notice also, no-one minded the Latinos, the Vikings or Commonwealth, but they recognised with NATO an attempt to totally ruin the event.
grilla57 said:
u guys might want to join up with british commonwealth. also i believe amethystknight is back to dustydragoon....civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?board=nc&action=display&thread=1178595186 Call to arms #1.
deviousdevil said:
Is Longhorn Australian?
Guys, I'm not confident that team GB will be able to really make a go of this Nations cup, so I was wondering if you Aussies would be up for having a "Commonwealth" or "British Commonwealth" team instead and so merging.
Any players from Commonwealth countries, such as Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand would be welcome as would other Commonwealth members.
I'm discussing this with the team GB people today, but what would you guys think? Given the timezones this cups events cover it'd be great to have both British and Aussies involved.
Soo...would Team Australia be up for merging with Team Great Britain and become Team: "The British Commonwealth" or "The Commonwealth"? If we were to merge, we've got a forum to use, plus we'd be able to fill all events comfortably, something I don't think we can manage on our own.
civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?board=nc&action=display&thread=1178774671
Poach attempt #2. Good call on the Longhorn being Australian thing, so I unjustly said that nobody called him out on that.
deviousdevil said:
As for this daft practice thing you're going on about, I won two events with the help of two partners, in fact I had a pretty good strike rate on winning events. Had I not played this cup, team Commonwealth would probably have not gone beyond 10 points, that is a fact, nor team Canada, UK or Australia had they been independent.
Why do you think I pulled all the American players from RaY? I knew, that by pulling my teammates, we could do quite decently with little no practice. However, when you toss an individual such as EmperorPenguin into the fray without any sort of practice. You know whatever event he's playing in is a throw away event. That's assuming he shows up in the first place as he bailed on the team twice.
You got a few players that you could trust and depend upon, yet when I do the same thing, all sorts of allegations are thrown at me.
deviousdevil said:
I love how you think the Commonwealth angle is weak, given the Canada and Australia were founded by Britain. They were our colonies, that evolved to become self-Governing Dominons. Sure they aren't one country, but the precident was set by the Scandanvians and Latinos before our team emerged.
Your nonsense goes further when you take the populations of the Commonwealth Nations that participated (Australia, Canada, UK and Singapore), we 'only' had 110 million people to draw from, still a 3rd of the US population and still you weren't content.
It is weak. By your logic, the United States of America not a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, though we are actually eligible to be if we bothered to apply for it, we'd be able to combine forces. You used a loophole to boost your numbers to max out your roster. We used the same loophole to field together a small, but team that stood a good shot of winning.
Technically, you have a population that consists of 1/4th of the entire human population to pool from. India, which is part of the Commonwealth, itself consists of over 1.2 billion people. There are plenty of UK players on the ladder, because you couldn't pool all of them together, doesn't mean we should take a hit for it. Again, semantics. I draw upon a multi-national organization for inspiration in forming our team and get dinged for it. You guys did it first, yet you're in the right? Makes no sense. The Commonwealth of Nations is a multi-national organization, I don't know how you can see it as anything other than that.
deviousdevil said:
Team NATO was your petulent response when America, a country with the most ladder players didn't get it together and you felt you were not going to win. In the end you took over the USA team within CSA, so no team USA in the CCC and the CSA lost to France, which you really don't like.
Let's get it right, I took the right approach in terms of trying to field a winning team. I took a look at the situation, saw that it didn't look good and maximized whatever resources I could to field a potentially winning team. What's the problem with that? Are you afraid of competition? This was a competitive event, as I recall.
The French earned their win. Am I going to fault them for that? No. I know how the operate, they practice and they practice hard. Why would I fault them for that? That's how players get better.
deviousdevil said:
As for the Rokkit thing, I'll quote the great man himself:
i didnt want to play friday, and for the record, i never said i was playing for NATO, and never had any decision in being added to their roster, if i was going to play, it was going to be for team commonwealth, i just have more important things going on this weekend
Perhaps I misunderstood Rokkit. If so, that's my fault and my apologies. I won't call him a liar as I do make mistakes. He was around during the weekend and didn't say a damn thing, but then again, he didn't have to as we took him out of our roster anyhow.
What it comes down to is...you didn't want us to field a team capable of winning. There were plenty of calls to force CSA to absorb Team USA, which we did. So what's the problem now? I am pointing out the double standards being applied. I was gracious enough to not pursue the NATO team for the sake of the ladder and you're going to still give me grief without properly addressing the points I address? Ridiculous.