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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jul 26, 2006 6:43:06 GMT -5
yeah it was a bit of a morning overreaction but it really does sound like Gandhi is a must have civ in a teamer now. I can't seriously be the only one who thinks he is stronger now. Ugh. ICBM, not you. I had a bet on the first person who would scream "unbalanced, unusable, broken" on the first day before play going and now I just lost it. I thought better of you, man. :: wanders off to pay his dues::
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Post by Bantams on Jul 26, 2006 8:46:54 GMT -5
Anonymous Play“Blind Ctons” anyone? When the “Anonymous Play” box is checked in game options, every player’s civ choice becomes hidden. When the game is launched, instead of player names, every player’s name is replaced by the leader they have chosen. As a result, no one can be sure of the identity of any player in the game. Is that the super-warmonger next to me? Or is it that noob builder? This is also a very interesting toy to play with in large team games – you can never be sure exactly who is sitting across from you in the Inland Sea or Wheel map. That doesn't work if you choose civs of course. Making names "player 1-18" and randomise the civ colours would have been better. Good for a random civ ffa though. This wouldnt be a very good idea to use for ladder games what if you get some none reports how the hell will you know who to report or if someone drops how do you know who it was ?
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Post by tamijo on Jul 26, 2006 8:59:39 GMT -5
Lets try it out bantams, im sure it works so that you will know who dropped.
And its a great idear, that you dont know how strong a player you'w got next to you.
CU when the game hits stores in Denmark
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Post by Gogf on Jul 26, 2006 10:31:10 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled about the Napoleon trait change either, but all in all there are quite a few nice things in Warlords. I'm looking forward to playing some ladder games on it! Great review, Fried !
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 26, 2006 11:26:03 GMT -5
He was a must-have before as well. IMO he was more powerful as industrious, because fast forges + fast workers = crazy expansion and production quickly. Phi doesn't have much synergy with fast workers, but it's still a critical component of many teamers. In my opinion, Phi definitely has synergy with Fast Workers. With the faster chops, if you are able to get a few Wonders up, you get 100% GP birthrate, which is pretty sweet!
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Post by churchill1 on Jul 26, 2006 11:44:38 GMT -5
The FeaturesShuffle TeamsWhile this option may or may not appeal to high-end ladder players, the casual MP crowd will probably love it. Ah yes. The rabble can have their kicks.
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Post by rupman on Jul 26, 2006 11:56:17 GMT -5
Nap should definately be aggresive. I don't see how they justify not making him that. Anybody that invades and conquers the majority of Continental Europe, forms the "Grand Arme" of 600,000+ soldiers, captures Moscow and has to be exiled twice because all he does is go around trying to conquer everyone, should be classified as AGGRESSIVE in my book. He's in the same league as Alexander the Great and Ghengis Khan.
Oh and btw I've seen what Hannibal looks like again. Would someone please inform the people at Firaxis that Hannibal was Black.
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Post by whiplash on Jul 26, 2006 13:46:08 GMT -5
Hannibal was not Black.
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Post by Tony on Jul 26, 2006 14:16:32 GMT -5
LOL rupman you talking about mohammed ali agian?
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Post by rupman on Jul 26, 2006 15:43:36 GMT -5
When Dr. Jack Balcer a former History Professor of mine at The Ohio State University and expert in the Ancient Mediterranean, as well as a winner of the distinguished teaching award and also my major advisor tells me Hannibal is black. Hannibal is black. He's also not the only History Professor I've heard it from. BTW the focus of my history degree was the Anc Med as well. Hannibal was black. I don't care what any supposed bust of the guy that was apparently made in Capua looks like.
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Post by MMV on Jul 26, 2006 17:59:14 GMT -5
someone who's origins were African (north africa) and born in north africa, he was definately "not white" - but at least darker-skinned. Probably at least as dark-skinned as morrocans, lybians, egyptians, etc. The farther south of the mediteranean you go, the darker skinned people are/were - clear down to the equator (and reversed). The darker skin was for sun protection (natural body melanin/pigmentation). "Black" is now a term for a specific race of people - but it hasn't always been that way. definitions have become a funny thing.
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Post by knupp on Jul 26, 2006 19:25:17 GMT -5
I think Gandhi is now stronger than ever.
Is it just me or are trebuchets really overpowered? I played the barbarian scenario today and killed everyone with them. Once the city defenses are bombed down and unpromoted trebuchet has odds against anything in a city in the ancient age.
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Post by ironclad on Jul 27, 2006 1:15:36 GMT -5
why are all the traits being shuffled... no agg nap "(
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Post by notagoodname on Jul 27, 2006 2:14:45 GMT -5
Tech popping the medievil techs with great people is so damn potent. I've been playing some single player and it seems the tech great people gives hasn't changed. So chop stonehenge with Ghandi and use the prophets for civil service and philosophy.
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Post by mrsaturn on Jul 27, 2006 2:18:50 GMT -5
In my opinion, Phi definitely has synergy with Fast Workers. With the faster chops, if you are able to get a few Wonders up, you get 100% GP birthrate, which is pretty sweet! In ancient age, you have better things to do than to chop a wonder without some sort of bonus (industrious, stone/marble) with the exception of Stonehenge since it's cheap. Seriously, 13 hammers isn't going to do squat. Later on, you probably have no forests left since you used them to make other stuff. Best way to get GP is still to make a food city... industrious and fast workers were ridiculous in ren games- Gandhi could expand and churn out productive cities faster than anyone else by far. This cools his engines a bit, since he'll have to multitask without the synergy. Getting a GP out isn't good for growth, while fast forges just accelerate Gandhi's expansion.
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Post by rupman on Jul 27, 2006 9:47:05 GMT -5
I think it's made Gandhi less powerful in ren and early ages and more powerful in industrial and later eras when you already have a forge. The fast worker is not as powerful without the chopping bonus that industrial gives you but they are still the best UU in the game.
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Post by coloneltreize on Jul 27, 2006 13:44:56 GMT -5
If you die, or at the end of the game if you don't die, the true identies of the players are revealed. Sounds great, will make CTON a lot more fun. Actually, "anonymous play" makes Cton rules like no tech trading and always war unnecessary, as players need no longer fear being rank hounded. I think friedrich underestimates the signifigance of Warlords for multiplayer. It's obvious this option was created specifically with ladder players in mind who want to experience a mp with full diplomatic options. I'm hosting a Warlords FFA PitBoss with this new feature at: civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?board=pspga&action=display&thread=1153255446&page=1 New players welcome. Join today!
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Post by civerdan on Jul 27, 2006 19:04:52 GMT -5
Honesty, It is kind of hard to "rank hound" in an inland sea gaem anyways, since you have only 2 people to attack.
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Post by Atomation on Jul 28, 2006 2:41:58 GMT -5
someone who's origins were African (north africa) and born in north africa, he was definately "not white" - but at least darker-skinned. Probably at least as dark-skinned as morrocans, lybians, egyptians, etc. The farther south of the mediteranean you go, the darker skinned people are/were - clear down to the equator (and reversed). The darker skin was for sun protection (natural body melanin/pigmentation). "Black" is now a term for a specific race of people - but it hasn't always been that way. definitions have become a funny thing. The supreme court had some interesting cases involving this - like a man who had proof that he was of arian descent, even though his skin was dark. He was comparing himself to a whiter complexion individual who was born in africa. So the supreme court, of course, made ridiculous rulings that made absolutely no sense, it's a good read if you can find the case (what it's called slips my mind currently). It's just wild how deeply racism can run into people's decision making - even the supreme court who should have just ruled "we are racists so you can't have the same priveledges as white folks" since that would have been more to the point. Civerdan - it's not that hard, people make boatloads just to do it, or worse they just walk past their neighbor (and of course the neighbor joins in on the attack, because why not, it's "fair" when both aggressors gain rank right?)
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Post by tamijo on Jul 28, 2006 3:46:45 GMT -5
Sounds great, will make CTON a lot more fun. Actually, "anonymous play" makes Cton rules like no tech trading and always war unnecessary, as players need no longer fear being rank hounded. I think friedrich underestimates the signifigance of Warlords for multiplayer. It's obvious this option was created specifically with ladder players in mind who want to experience a mp with full diplomatic options. I'm hosting a Warlords FFA PitBoss with this new feature at: civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?board=pspga&action=display&thread=1153255446&page=1 New players welcome. Join today! No there will still be 2 difrent sets off play: CTON: focus is on the "chess" game, you are "on your own" FFA: focus on the diplomatics, and its important not to be isolated And i belive FFA will never become, the first choice off most ladder players.
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