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Post by oblivionn on Oct 14, 2007 19:40:11 GMT -5
wow weee. Some action ;D First off and most important. The term is "islams" and yes, a vast majority of "islams" hate America. I will not give the islams legitimecy by calling them what they want to be called. They practice a backward religion that preaches hate, marderdom, and oppresion. If you are a freedom loving person, they are your enemy. Just ask any random one. See how many pro American islams you find. They believe America is the great satan. But its not just America they hate. They hate Christians and Jews and women. The islams have been at war with the western world since day 1 of islam. They need to be defeated not accepted. ok now on to the fun stuff. commie-ism and socialism are far more then economic policy. They are a way of life. I noticed in the bad points of commie-ism u didnt mention poverty, starvation, or slavery. All of which come right with commie-ism. U also didn't mention the huge police force needed to keep your commies on the up n up(black market movies, books, levi's jeans, can't have that). And the camps you gotta build to house the rule breakers. Socialism is no different from commie-ism. U still need the huge police force and the camps. As more people draw on the benifts, the benifts get less n less. Muslims sure don't preach hate or oppression. Martyrdom- some of the radicals believe in this but it completely conflicts with what Islam teaches, unless of course you are being attacked. But suicide bombing- you kill 20 other people in the process, which couldn't be farther from what god wants. It's not a backward religion- it includes many of the same prophets and stories as Christianity and Judaism. There are some new concepts but a lot of it is the same. Communism is and has been a dictatorship most of the times it was tried, so yes, police state, poverty and starvation- maybe, and there would only be one or two brands of everything- not very good quality either because of the lack of competition. But slavery? I don't think so. Please tell me about slavery and communism. Socialism is not even close to the same thing as communism. Even with the higher taxes to provide universal healthcare and such some countries have been quite successful: www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/13/business/compete.php
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Post by DrShot on Oct 15, 2007 4:11:41 GMT -5
Right wing radio is getting it. Liberals hate America. Liberals hate the average American that works everyday to support his average family. Why do liberals hate the average American family you ask? To fully understand this, you gotta understand what a liberal is, and who liberals are. First, to be liberal, you have to be self-centered. This is because of the primary liberal value, "tolerance". You believe that people, including yourself, have the right to look, say, and do anything (as long as it's "mostly" legal) in public and people around you should just tolerate it. Who are the liberals, and why do they hate the average family? Criminals: Very high % are liberal. Liberals are always fighting against law enforcement. Criminals pray on the average family. Lawyers: Very high % are liberal. Liberals in this field do what they can to tear down the US justice system. Lawyers make their money by suing the average family and small businesses. Large businesses can defend them selfs. Environmentalist A very very high % are liberals. One of the most hate consumed groups, environmentalist blame America (not china or Russia cause if they went there and said something they'd get ran over by tanks) for all the pollution in the world. They hate the average American for driving SUVs while soring high above in a private jet. Environmentalist make all their living by tell the average American how big of an ignorant slob he/she is. They think they are smarter, better people. Islams Yes Islams. Osama sounds just like a Democrat. He even blames America for global warming. The Islams, who make all there money selling the USA oil, now blame the USA for global warming. Typical liberal. I think Osama could win a Senate seat in Massachusetts. Islams hate all Americans. The funny thing is the hate the liberals the most. The very people that defend the Islams here would be the first to go if the Islams come to power. Anyway, all u libs who just hate George Bush I want u to remember. Jealousy leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side. Almost everything in this post is wrong. First, if you don't hate Bush, you must either be very ignorant or just evil. He has single-handedly increased the national debt by over 3 trillion dollars since he has taken office. The American dollar is now considerably weaker than other currencys... [glow=red,2,300]< graphics removed to condense post>[/glow] Um... wow. Now, keep in mind this is from 2005, but it hasn't changed a whole lot since then. We spend about as much as China, Russia, the UK, Japan, and the next 10 countries combined on our military. So 21% of our taxes aren't going to help our debt, they're going to increase it further by funding the Iraq War. The Iraq War was started for a number of false reasons. One was that they had weapons of mass destruction. The UN investigated and found no evidence... then we investigated and found no evidence... then we invaded anyway. Another reason was because of 911, which Iraq had nothing to do with. Last reason was because Saddam had to be removed from power because his people were suffering. This is true, however, between 100,000 and 500,000 Iraqi citizens have died and between 200,000 and 800,000 have been crippled since we invaded. I don't think his people were suffering THAT badly.. Lastly, he has only vetoed 2 bills,(or 3, I can't remember) Stem Cell Research and Heath Care for Kids who's families can't afford it. Well, he certainly cares about the health of our people. He is basically a hypocritical killer that is destroying the country. That about sums it up, I think. ;D You cannot say Liberals hate American Families because Criminals do and Criminals are Liberals. Criminals make up for such a small percent they almost don't matter. Lawyers- They just do their job. But if there's one thing we don't need more of in this country, it's lawyers. Environmentalist- What the hell is wrong with that? Are you saying you don't care about the environment? Islams- The term is Muslims. To say they all hate America is... WAY OFF to say the least. Extremists like Bin Laden do, but the majority of them do not. I don't quite understand why you think Liberals hate the Average family. Care to elaborate? Please allow me to start off with a recomendation. When attempting to discredit or dispute a source or opinion simply saying "Almost everything in this post is wrong. " is of little or no value: the only weight it would hold would be akin to blowing hot air, an uninformed hack at someones comment/opinion. Cite why the OP is wrong, offer conflicting data to sway the arguement, better yet cite refferences. Wiki is a nice place to troll, yet is a far cry from a solid and credible place for source material. Anyone can edit wiki. Yes, often there are subsequent sources offered, cite them, not wiki as the source.
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Post by DrShot on Oct 15, 2007 5:02:31 GMT -5
First, if you don't hate Bush, you must either be very ignorant or just evil. [glow=blue,2,300]<- Simply moronic thing to say, please re-read that and see if it makes sense.[/glow]
He has single-handedly increased the national debt by over 3 trillion dollars since he has taken office. [glow=red,2,300]<- shows your lack of understanding of the USA 's governing body. I will elaborate if you would like me to, just ask.[/glow] The American dollar is now considerably weaker than other currencys... [glow=red,2,300]<- true! Yet not for any single reason as you try to propagate.[/glow]
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Um... wow. Now, keep in mind this is from 2005, but it hasn't changed a whole lot since then. We spend about as much as China, Russia, the UK, Japan, and the next 10 countries combined on our military. [glow=red,2,300]<- yea, cutting edge military I might add. Look at benefits, pensions, equipment and compare... How many countries have Aegis cruisers? Nuclear arsenals are very costly to safeguard and maintain.[/glow]
So 21% of our taxes aren't going to help our debt, they're going to increase it further by funding the Iraq War. [glow=red,2,300]<- More BLIND conjecture. Enough already! You ignorantly say that all our military spending goes to Iraq Conflict.[/glow]
The Iraq War was started for a number of false reasons. [glow=red,2,300]<- This is old and, again, untrue. Ironic, but I have the impression that if it was started under 'true reasons' you would be pleased, at least condone the 'war'. Is any war better than the next?[/glow]
One was that they had weapons of mass destruction. [glow=red,2,300]<- ask the kurds...well the ones that were not gassed(definitely WMD in my book) I tell ya what, I 'll give you a few weeks, a desert the size of California and almost unlimited manpower and funds , if you need, to hide a few cargo sized canisters, think you could do it,hmm?[/glow] The UN investigated and found no evidence[glow=red,2,300]...<- yea I looked for my cat a few mins ago and could not find it, Obviously I do not have a cat. Your maxim is terribly flawed.[/glow] then we investigated and found no evidence... [glow=red,2,300]<- 'we' ? you have a ferret in yer purse?[/glow]then we invaded anyway. Another reason was because of 911, which Iraq had nothing to do with[glow=red,2,300].<- so says you.[/glow] Last reason was because Saddam had to be removed from power because his people were suffering[glow=red,2,300].<- unbelievable. You need to turn a light on in that closet you have been in for the last several years. To say 'because his people were suffering' is beyond callous, perhaps you do not know the extent of the genocide that was commonplace under Saddam's Totalitarian regime.[/glow] This is true, however, between 100,000 and 500,000 Iraqi citizens have died and between 200,000 and 800,000 have been crippled since we invaded.[glow=red,2,300]<- virtually meaningless to insert numbers that vague. Where do you derive these figures from? Killed by whom? [/glow] I don't think his people were suffering THAT badly.. [glow=red,2,300]<- your quite the humanitarian.[/glow]Lastly, he has only vetoed 2 bills,(or 3, I can't remember) Stem Cell Research and Heath Care for Kids who's families can't afford it. Well, he certainly cares about the health of our people. [glow=red,2,300]<- I must have missed the link, now were off the war and back to Bush I gather, same paragraph though, confusing even more. In reality, not by your perception, Bush is so close to center he could be a Democrat reviewing his domestic policies for his second term.[/glow] He is basically a hypocritical killer that is destroying the country. [glow=red,2,300]<- that doesn't sound so 'basic' to me.[/glow] That about sums it up, I think. [glow=red,2,300]<- let me guess, you think, therefor you are?[/glow]
You cannot say Liberals hate American Families because Criminals do and Criminals are Liberals. Criminals make up for such a small percent they almost don't matter. [glow=red,2,300]<- perhaps it is too late for me to comprehend what your point here is, ill return later.[/glow]
Lawyers- They just do their job[glow=red,2,300].<- wow, nice grouping of (blindly again) all lawyers. Free pass to do what they please under the guise of 'just doing their job'.[/glow] But if there's one thing we don't need more of in this country, it's lawyers. [glow=red,2,300]<- why not? have you asked the UN to run an inspection and determine if we have enough lawyers to be fully operational as a country? You seem to trust the UN a lot.[/glow] Environmentalist- What the hell is wrong with that? Are you saying you don't care about the environment? [glow=red,2,300]<- Unlikely the case.Sure, some people couldn't care less. But Truth in reporting is what needs be the rule NOT the exception. Global warming? Yea, it exists... NASA (a group I trust a hell of a lot more than the UN) says they have concluded a study siting that ALL the planets in our solar system have displayed a warming trend. Incredible that we are now polluting all planets. Al Gore... don't get me started[/glow]
Islams- The term is Muslims. To say they all hate America is... WAY OFF to say the least. Extremists like Bin Laden do, but the majority of them do not. [glow=red,2,300]<- yes, Islam is the religion, Muslims are the people that have adopted the faith.[/glow] I don't quite understand why you think Liberals hate the Average family. Care to elaborate? [glow=red,2,300]<- Liberals want to be the ole' Robin Hood and take from the middle class and wealthy to give to the lower/low class(es). This is even stated by you in your 'definitions' of socialism and communism. Entitlements, welfare, handouts so on and so on; the something for nothing groups love the Liberals almost as much as the Liberals love the something for nothing groups, which is almost as much as the liberals love themselves.[/glow]
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Post by DrShot on Oct 15, 2007 5:23:06 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia: The Cuban government has been accused of numerous human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extra-judicial executions.[45] Dissidents complain of harassment and torture. Um... no But good point about the government- If it is run correctly, any government can be a good one, however, there is no "perfect government" so far. Actually , no, not at all. This was a deliberate example. A paradox offered up to display the contrary nature of governmental systems and what rhetoric they produce. In a nutshell, you can't believe everything you read or hear... especially on wiki as fore mentioned. Take the 90 seconds to read this bitty: (the colon prevents the hyperlink to function properly cut/paste the entire link!) en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Logical_fallacies_and/or_factual_inaccuracies_on_Wikipedia
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Post by Levi on Oct 15, 2007 7:57:23 GMT -5
I am glad that the conservative right has a thread where they can come and spread their propaganda. Unfortunately, things aren't going to well for the wingnuts right now. - George Bush Jr. - The worst president in US history
- The GOP - zero chance of holding the executive branch after the next election.
- The GOP - lucky if they hold a 1/3 majority in both houses after the next election.
- The US economy in the worst shape since the 70's
- US foreign relations at an all time low.
- The US military, unable to maintain the surge, unable to quell the insurgency
- Osama still free
- The USA with more enemies thus more vulnerable to terrorist attacks.
- The department of justice corrupted.
The wingnuts can propagandize all they want, but they can't change the disaster they caused in the last seven years. The Republican party lies in tatters, the country is falling apart and our military strength is compromised. Great job conservatives!
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Post by whiplash on Oct 15, 2007 9:58:18 GMT -5
Every one of those points, except the Osama one, is flat-out wrong.
If you want historically bad presidents, look at LBJ and Carter.
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Post by MMV on Oct 15, 2007 12:19:48 GMT -5
1 - Stem cell research: He vetoed NOT the bill, but the FUNDING for stem-cell research with federal money - thus allowing individual states in the REPUBLIC to decide for themselves (as it should be). I happen to live in a state where stem-cell research is LEGAL and the state helps fund it. 2 - Health Care for Kids: He didn't VETO a bill FOR Health Care for Kids. He vetoed a bill stopping the continuation of an already existing program that is not/was not NEW. What he vetoed was an increase in funding to a program that isn't/wasn't effective, was being misused. Why was the bill sent to the executive branch to start with? It was a program that had a "limited life" and the program was SCHEDULED to be reviewed, continued, or canceled.
There are a LOT of definitions of "health of the people" and to me one of the most DIRECT reflections of the "health of the people" is how my government spends or wastes money. WASTING money is in NO one's "health" or interest, stopping non-functional expensive programs IS in the health and interest of the people. Liberals? Conservatives? It's the pollitical parties and the difference between the two. Democrats want to control/manage/spend from Washington instead of letting the states govern themselves Republicans believe that each state should govern themselves There was a civil war in this country that was caused by this very same thing.
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 15, 2007 12:20:01 GMT -5
DrShot- You are correct on some of these points. I need more evidence to support my points. I need to organize my points better. Some of the things were simply worded incorrectly. - Bush is one of the worst US presidents in history. -The national debt has increased by over 3 billion while he has been president. -21% of our budget does not go to the Iraq War, thanks for pointing that out. I'd say at least 15% does, though. Some of the points were wrong. -Lawyers The thing about not needing more lawyers was a joke, you need to criticize everything I say? On some of the points you are just criticizing what I say even though it is correct. WMD, Muslims, US Dollar. ' Liberals/Robin Hood, maybe- I don't think people deserve to have billions of dollars while other people are starving. Please explain to me the US governing body. It is not as blind of conjecture as you seem to think. The thing about Nasa doesn't make sense to me. How can we be warming other planets? Please explain that to me as well. Lastly- 100,000 dead is a meaningless number??? That is what is estimated here: www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/14/154251And here is the upper end of the estimate- www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=8080Crippled- www.unknownnews.net/casualties.htmlHowever- I think this is a little high personnaly, so i made my estimate kind of proportional to the deaths. Please tell me how badly they were suffering under Saddam. Personally, I think we're just in this war for oil. I'd like to know what you all think. The country will fall apart once we leave, I'd like to think the democracy would hold together but I don't think it will last for long. Like Vietnam.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 15, 2007 18:25:49 GMT -5
hi levi
btw i'm still stumped on the speed of light/time travel thing
I am glad that the conservative right has a thread where they can come and spread their propaganda. Unfortunately, things aren't going to well for the wingnuts right now.
George Bush Jr. - The worst president in US history JC wishes. The country is far better off under bush then carter.
The GOP - zero chance of holding the executive branch after the next election. U libs said that in 04. Hell, u say it every election.
The GOP - lucky if they hold a 1/3 majority in both houses after the next election. U say this every election too
The US economy in the worst shape since the 70's When JC ( the liberal Jesus) was in power. It was far worse then too.
US foreign relations at an all time low. Cause of all the libs going around the world saying the USA is evil.
The US military, unable to maintain the surge, unable to quell the insurgency You libs hope. lol
Osama still free Clinton coulda had him in the 90s
The USA with more enemies thus more vulnerable to terrorist attacks. USA has always had enemys and has always been vulnerable to terrorist.
The department of justice corrupted. Cause of the liberal laywers
The wingnuts can propagandize all they want, but they can't change the disaster they caused in the last seven years. The Republican party lies in tatters, the country is falling apart and our military strength is compromised. Great job conservatives!
Our militery was gutted by Clinton. Its being built back up. Our country isn't falling apart. Its being ripped to sheds by liberals that hate this country. A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.
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Post by Levi on Oct 15, 2007 20:56:56 GMT -5
What is this fascination the wingnuts have with past democratic presidents? They blame absolutely everything on Carter or Clinton and accept no responsibility for anything. Face it, you can't blame GWB's failure to get Osama on Carter. You can't blame GWB's failure to stop 9/11 on Clinton. The golden boy of the republican party was just a trifle busy stealing money from us, he dropped the ball.
The reality is that the Republican party is finished. They have pretended to be good Christians, but then decided to torture people. They pretended to be fiscally responsible but created the largest debt we have ever had. They pretend to be fixing our economy, but we are teetering on the brink of a recession.
12 Republican Congressmen are retiring because they know the party is finished. Another 7 Republican Senators are also retiring. Sounds like the rats are deserting the sinking ship. Personally, I welcome the demise of the Republican party because it will finally break the two party deadlock this country has been stuck in my entire life.
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Post by whiplash on Oct 15, 2007 22:07:36 GMT -5
Levi, wake up from your wet dream. ;D
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Post by DrShot on Oct 15, 2007 22:31:32 GMT -5
DrShot- You are correct on some of these points. I need more evidence to support my points. I need to organize my points better. Some of the things were simply worded incorrectly. [glow=red,2,300]<- agreed [/glow] - Bush is one of the worst US presidents in history. [glow=red,2,300]<- Yea, he is not the best, no secret there. So , you put him in about the worst 40 or so range??Really it is impossible to tell within a few decades at the least, several to be more true to the point, with any President, few exceptions. [/glow] -The national debt has increased by over 3 billion while he has been president. [glow=red,2,300]<- The Interest alone on the National Debt will increase the debt at an alarming rate. Spending of any sort will only make it worse. Everything that happens under a Presidents term is not always a direct correlary to his actions or inaction. This is not a Monarchy or a Dictatorship. Oversight and checks and balances are provided for(unfortunately accountablity is often shirked) by teh President and Congress: the Seante and the House.[/glow] -21% of our budget does not go to the Iraq War, thanks for pointing that out. I'd say at least 15% does, though. [glow=red,2,300] <- they are public figures, you can find this data easily, jsut look. I think the maintenance of our troops world wide and at home (Iraq aside) account for at least 1/2 the military spending.[/glow] Some of the points were wrong. -Lawyers The thing about not needing more lawyers was a joke, you need to criticize everything I say? [glow=red,2,300]<- yup. I was on a roll.[/glow] On some of the points you are just criticizing what I say even though it is correct. WMD, Muslims, US Dollar. ' [glow=red,2,300]<- WMD , you were FAR from correct. Muslims, re-read what I posted. [/glow] Liberals/Robin Hood, maybe- I don't think people deserve to have billions of dollars while other people are starving. [glow=red,2,300]<- You are a Fascist.[/glow] Please explain to me the US governing body. It is not as blind of conjecture as you seem to think. [glow=red,2,300]<- Then you were deliberately trying to mislead or deceive by your statements. Try Google, a great place to find the fundamentals of how the US government works. You could find out how bills get passed, resolutions ammendments and so forth. I'll stay out of Poly-sci 101.[/glow] The thing about Nasa doesn't make sense to me. How can we be warming other planets? Please explain that to me as well. [glow=red,2,300]<- ARG! I am not sure I can continue an honest effort of a discussion when that went right over your head. You seriously think that things done on Earth have polutted other plantes? Thats the ENTIRE point. If our entire solar system, a large portion of it at any rate is in a warming trend then it really blasts a hole in the 'Global Warming' nonsense the alarmists are spewing. Solar radiation is the cause. Imagine that, the Sun![/glow] Lastly- 100,000 dead is a meaningless number??? That is what is estimated here: www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/14/154251[glow=red,2,300]<- it is in poor taste to take things out of context. You stated 100k to 500k as your figures. You offered no source for those numbers. That alone makes them nothing more than fiction. The range, the gap between them is so huge it makes the statistic meaningless, of no use as a statistic. Allow me to report what you wrote and my reply: This is true, however, between 100,000 and 500,000 Iraqi citizens have died <- virtually meaningless to insert numbers that vague. Where do you derive these figures from? Killed by whom? Take a moment, digest that. Great, now goto the source you jsut sitied for obtaining the numbers. I have, I read the entire article, twice. let me put up a few points from the article: your source for the numbers you post mind you. [/glow] [glow=red,2,300]"Q: Since the inception of the Iraqi war, I'd like to know the approximate total of Iraqis who have been killed. And by Iraqis I include civilians, military, police, insurgents, translators." The President went on the say he thought it was around 30k, obviously this was low and caused a ruckus. The Military says they only keep track of insurgent casualties so there is not true figure they could offer. The article cites Les Roberts, co-author of a 2004 study on civilian mortality in Iraq since the invasion. He is an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. "But we said, well, when you consider then Anbar Province, as well, the chances that it’s under 100,000 are very, very low. "[/glow] And here is the upper end of the estimate- [glow=red,2,300]<- linked from Michael Moore, that oozes credibility, yet I did go to the link. Of course I found some interesting things there.[/glow] www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=8080 [glow=red,2,300]Sarah Leah Whitson, an official of Human Rights Watch in New York, who said, "We have no reason to question the findings or the accuracy" of the survey. [/glow] [glow=blue,2,300]<- Really now. Since when is there no reason to question the findings or accuracy of any survey?[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]"I expect that people will be surprised by these figures," she said. "I think it is very important that, rather than questioning them, people realize there is very, very little reliable data coming out of Iraq."[/glow] [glow=blue,2,300]<- All i can say here is WTF! "I expect people will be surprised..." yes, we are. This enlightened lady finds it to be very important that we do not question (the numbers). But why we ponder? Well, because "there is very, very little reliable data coming out of Iraq."[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]So let me get this strraight here Sarah Leah Whitson. We should not question the findings/accuracy of the survey because we need to realize there is very very little reliable information comming out of Iraq.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]This survey was : "done by Iraqi physicians and overseen by epidemiologists at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health. The findings are being published online today by the British medical journal the Lancet."[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]The lancet was the same group that published the reports for the 100k figures taken (almost) 2 years prior. In a 2 year span the figures have exploded over 550% I find that really amazing. I cannot believe any source sited by MM anyway, this is simply another reason why. This article was originally from the Washington Post, linked through MM and his bunch of maniacle morons.[/glow] Crippled- www.unknownnews.net/casualties.htmlHowever- I think this is a little high personnaly, so i made my estimate kind of proportional to the deaths. Please tell me how badly they were suffering under Saddam[glow=red,2,300].<- pretty sad you know all about what terrible things the USA has "done to the Iraquis" yet you claim ignorance to what Saddam did for decades. Try to google saddam. Genoside is not a big deal in your book I gather. Perhaps you do not know what genocide is. You said " I don't think people deserve to have billions of dollars while other people are starving." well, again you must know little or nothing about what happened in Iraq before the US became directly involved. You could find some good information im sure, just keep away from MM, you will find only 1/2 truths and distortions there.[/glow] Personally, I think we're just in this war for oil. I'd like to know what you all think. [glow=orange,2,300]<- I think your ill informed; likely lacking a wide, reputable knowledge base of source information. As for oil: the Oil companies (presumably you mean the American owned ones?) stocks have not increased at a disproportionate rate to the increase of the cost of a barrel of crude. The Price of oil has gone UP, not down. Please, explain the correlation between 'this war is for oil' and obvious increased prices/lowered supply. War for oil would indicate we are doing so in attempt to obtain oil. The industry(OPEC) does not need substancial reason to increase oil costs.[/glow] The country will fall apart once we leave, I'd like to think the democracy would hold together but I don't think it will last for long. Like Vietnam. [glow=red,2,300]<- Yea, the Democracy didn't last long in Vietnam.... Doh! [/glow]
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 15, 2007 22:40:19 GMT -5
What is this fascination the wingnuts have with past democratic presidents? They blame absolutely everything on Carter or Clinton and accept no responsibility for anything. Face it, you can't blame GWB's failure to get Osama on Carter.
(but u can blame Clinton because the Sudan offered him up severl times)
You can't blame GWB's failure to stop 9/11 on Clinton.
(9/11 would of happened nomatter who was in office. The islams have been attackin america for a long time)
The golden boy of the republican party was just a trifle busy stealing money from us, he dropped the ball.
(what money? you should bring him up on charges then instead of making broad claims like "he steels money")
The reality is that the Republican party is finished. They have pretended to be good Christians, but then decided to torture people.
(what do liberals pretend to be? They pretend to be good americans who love this country, but they do nothing but tear it down)
They pretended to be fiscally responsible but created the largest debt we have ever had. They pretend to be fixing our economy, but we are teetering on the brink of a recession.
(Well if JC was in office we'de have full blown ressestion, gas lines, double didgit intrest rates, and unemployment rates)
12 Republican Congressmen are retiring because they know the party is finished. Another 7 Republican Senators are also retiring. Sounds like the rats are deserting the sinking ship. Personally, I welcome the demise of the Republican party because it will finally break the two party deadlock this country has been stuck in my entire life.
(Ya, them republicans don't kling onto power till they die like the liberals do)
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 16, 2007 0:06:22 GMT -5
DrShot: God you give me a headache. First off, let me point out that I am only 13. Give me a break. I was not old enough to know about most of the horrors that Saddam committed. Telling me to google it will not solve things. That is where Iv'e gotten most of the sources you are yelling at me about. When I ask you to explain things to me, I would appreciate it if you actually explained them to me rather than yelling at me for being ill-informed. I still don't understand how we are warming other planets. How am I a Fascist? That sounds much closer to Socialism, to me.
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Post by DrShot on Oct 16, 2007 2:43:10 GMT -5
Thats your best post yet. I was not yelling at anyone. rather than googling it myself and pasting it I was suggesting you look it up yourself.
You will notice it is very had to find information that is not tainted, that is one sided. Find multiple resources, even from places and people you know/like and trust.
The NASA bit I find funny, perhaps almsot an inside joke ( that a joke among friends). It is true, what I said about their study.
The basic part of that is saying that ALL the planets are getting a little bit warmer, there are cycles, likely 10 of thousands of years. Therefore OF COURSE there is global warming, it is just not from a bunch of cars and other pollutants. But Liberals seem to use the idea of global warming as a tactic to further their own agenda.
I had a hunch your were not very old, I put you at about 15.
too late to continue this now, perhaps in the morning...
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Post by oblivionn on Oct 16, 2007 11:40:47 GMT -5
Thats your best post yet. I was not yelling at anyone. rather than googling it myself and pasting it I was suggesting you look it up yourself. You will notice it is very had to find information that is not tainted, that is one sided. Find multiple resources, even from places and people you know/like and trust. The NASA bit I find funny, perhaps almsot an inside joke ( that a joke among friends). It is true, what I said about their study. The basic part of that is saying that ALL the planets are getting a little bit warmer, there are cycles, likely 10 of thousands of years. Therefore OF COURSE there is global warming, it is just not from a bunch of cars and other pollutants. But Liberals seem to use the idea of global warming as a tactic to further their own agenda. I had a hunch your were not very old, I put you at about 15. too late to continue this now, perhaps in the morning... So I think you're saying that all planets experience a warming trend, but not that we are causing it? In An Inconvienent Truth- Al Gore explained this, but he also showed that we are causing it to change much more rapidly than it normally would. Oh you said not to get you started on Al Gore. What do you have to say about him? You also had a point that most recent presidents could be seen as the worst in history. I'd say the last 5 or so could be. (Excluding Clinton) I read somewhere that Reagan developed Alzheimers in the last 3 years of his presidency. I think he sold weapons to Iraq in that war? Then I think he used that money to put down a socialist uprising in Central America? ^^Not that I'm saying any of that is true, I'm just saying I read it somewhere. I honestly don't know a lot about Carter or Jhonson. I could start a thread on the worst president in history. ;D P.S. I think Reagan also fell asleep while the pope was giving a speech. LOL
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Post by whiplash on Oct 16, 2007 11:52:17 GMT -5
The weapons sale was to Iran, not Iraq. It was called the Iran-Contra Affair.
If all of the planets in our solar system are warming there can be only one cause, the Sun.
Al Gore's movie is full of lies and distortions; but to the Liberals truth is irrelivant.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Oct 16, 2007 12:44:27 GMT -5
oblivionn, i like that you care enough about politics to post your views. You seem open minded and cool. Some pretty smart people post here (i'm not one of those) making this a good place to debate. So I think you're saying that all planets experience a warming trend, but not that we are causing it? (earth has been warming for a atleast 20,000 years. And before the commet/super volcano that cause the ice age. The earth didnt have a drop of frozen water on it. Infact earth was a jungle ruled by giant cold blooded lizards.) In An Inconvienent Truth- Al Gore explained this, but he also showed that we are causing it to change much more rapidly than it normally would. Oh you said not to get you started on Al Gore. What do you have to say about him? (he is wrong.) You also had a point that most recent presidents could be seen as the worst in history. I'd say the last 5 or so could be. (Excluding Clinton) I read somewhere that Reagan developed Alzheimers in the last 3 years of his presidency. I think he sold weapons to Iraq in that war? (I wish iran won that war. that woulda made the world safer.) Then I think he used that money to put down a socialist uprising in Central America? (socialist uprising, or a group of people trying to take other ppls stuff for free. Led by a drug lords that look like generals) ^^Not that I'm saying any of that is true, I'm just saying I read it somewhere. I honestly don't know a lot about Carter or Jhonson. I could start a thread on the worst president in history. (Carter hella sucked. Look it up. Its pretty bad) P.S. I think Reagan also fell asleep while the pope was giving a speech. LOL (me too. me and Reagan must be soul mates (i hope ) )
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Post by TheBadSeed on Oct 16, 2007 14:15:00 GMT -5
Actually, during Reagan's presidency, we provided arms for both Iraq and Iran. Also supplied equipment and training to Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan. Also supplied Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sudan and Libya with arms. By increasing a country's enemies weapon supply, we increased demand for our weapons exports. Rather ingenious strategy, really, keep the world on the brink, and profit from it, while bankrupting our main opposition who couldnt keep up with war manufacturing. Keep the wars away from us, so nobody could focus on the US. Was a very successful strategy in the 1980s, but with a more global economy and global awareness, that is no longer the case. We cannot fight wars in other parts of the country to avoid them here. They will get here at some point. 9/11 showed us that, and there will undoubtedly be more attempts to hit us in our homeland. Unfortunately, we are ever increasing our war responsibilities across the world, while our main opposition is no longer bothering to oppose us militarily, and is instead spending their money on infrastructure and their financial future. They are increasing the demand for their products, while the US tries to be the global policeman. At this rate, China's economy will eclipse ours in 2020. Something has to change.
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Post by cv431410 on Oct 16, 2007 14:17:02 GMT -5
Also supplied equipment and training to Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan. ... That was the bad seed.
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