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Post by civerdan on Dec 24, 2005 21:27:25 GMT -5
They changed forest health from 0.4 to 0.5, encourages too much chopping IMHO. As said before any one starting on plains hill w/3 food will have a field day right now.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Dec 24, 2005 22:58:31 GMT -5
RE: Great Artists - The change wasn't made because you can gain points with them; the change was made because you gain potentially gain more points with them than any other technique by several orders of magnitude. Any time a single technique vastly outstrips any other, it's out of balance. Period. Nothing else is THAT powerful in so many situations. Rushing wonders is worth a hundred, maybe two. A tech can be worth as much as seventy. A properly placed Artist bomb can be worth three hundred or more. And it's still possible - it hasn't been stopped at all; you simply have to display it and defend it for 20 turns. RE: The lag - Nothing was changed in this department - look at Gamespy. I guess they didn't figure a TBS game would make game of the year left, right, and backwards in nearly every review and the load of MP on them would be that high. ::shrug:: Gamesuck is known for this kind of thing, after all. RE: The forests - I have to admit I'm kind of caught off-guard here. The thinking was that by making forests more valuable, people would keep more of them around. At .4 health, you can chop two forests and have no ill effect on your health. At .5 health, chopping two drops your total health by one. It sounds like people are seeing it as more incentive to chop, when really, it's less. 10 forests are worth 5 health now, instead of 4 - I guess you can look at it from either perspective. Give the lag/connections time to sort themselves out as Christmas passes and more people are back at work/in school. But in the meantime, Merry Christmas everyone.
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Post by tommynt on Dec 25, 2005 6:18:17 GMT -5
Forst tiles suck (at least if u got some hills for production).. only good of em is to be abe to chop em down. the health bonus isnt needed espacially in lo0ng games like epics where u should get fishs and stuff like that .. ok in early game (before knights) they can be useful for nonhill cities .. thats it
ok all main problems i have noticed after patch: - 2 techs in teamer - +20% cost increase - shield overflow seems to have changed for me - not 100% sure but it doesnt work as fine as before - - 99% of ladder players i have talked to dont like this 20 turns before end .. wtf basiclly end game 20 turns before it ends? again artists are in normal 120 t ctons much harder to get as every other leader - every1 knows who got them and u have to free land to use em - so only noobs or killed will fall into the great artist trap. again killing flies with nukes is just nuts. and its more like 150 points u gain from em as 300 - i just dont see why i dont get points for normal city just cause fried think great artist is too powerful - if he s really too powerful change him not the whole game ]- connection problems have increased - i can confirm that by being much in lobby and hear far more complaints as before - map gen still sucks - last teamer 2 players of my team were (map balanced) on peninsulas - 1 was totaly blocked with mountan - the other had a 5 long desert strech to main land - 3rd 1 started right in ice. so it was basicly a 1 vs 4 - also i m not so sure if the "balanced works" I had no resource in cap (even after border expand)
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Post by Cruise on Dec 25, 2005 6:48:03 GMT -5
]- 99% of ladder players i have talked to dont like this 20 turns before end .. So you talked to 100 ladder players and only 1 liked it? Then now i will correct your percentage to 98.01%
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Post by Tony on Dec 25, 2005 9:21:37 GMT -5
OMG another day i cant connect to nothing, it cant be due to server being overlaoded cuz it very early and only like 30 people in the lobby.
Didnt play yesterday cuz of this nonsense aswell!!!
GOD DAMMIT
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Post by Cruise on Dec 25, 2005 11:40:39 GMT -5
After tryingto get a game going for a few hours i really feel i have the right to say.
[shadow=red,left,300]1.52 is a piece of crap[/shadow]
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Post by tommynt on Dec 25, 2005 18:56:24 GMT -5
no1 i talked to dint like it but I thought u d like it so I put 99% instead 100 - u r predictable cruise
ah ya 1 thing i forgot - rng is totally screwed now - last cton my 1 spear defeated 7 keshiks attcking my nonhillcity .. wtf??? before that my 7chariots were not able to take 2 bows
thats just 2 examples .. and bombardment of catas is far too powerful - espacially when its attcking stack with horsearcher in it it should just not be able to kill (damage heavily) all other units - it looks like it doesnt matter whihc unit is defending it s stack bombardement works before the fight even starts or so
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Post by yyrkroon on Dec 25, 2005 20:27:36 GMT -5
If catapult bombardment only worked when it won a battle it would be useless.
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Post by Sidhe on Dec 28, 2005 3:46:56 GMT -5
Getting a great artist is often a matter of whether you were lucky enough to have marble in your caps border. You can put entertainers in your city to get a great artist but it's very wasteful. Personally I always thought winning by sticking a great artist in a poorly defended new city 1 turn from the end was a pretty dubious way to win but there you go. I don't see what the issue is you can still do it you just have to be prepared to defend an 80% def bonus city? As for Catapults being overpowered.Being pounded with hundreds of fist sized rocks for 4 days or hours in a non siege type encounter, or greek fire, a plague ridden cow or two, etc etc is gonna put a crimp in anyones day to say the least. And boulder sized rocks pounding walls mess them up pretty nicely.
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Post by NicodaMax on Dec 28, 2005 9:25:40 GMT -5
Give the lag/connections time to sort themselves out as Christmas passes and more people are back at work/in school. But in the meantime, Merry Christmas everyone. With all due respect, that's not what we should be hoping for. That's kind of like hoping that less people play the game in a couple of weeks from now (it'll happen anyway when they realize that it takes 2 hours to get a game going and 6 to play it because of lag/connections drama*). That's a little screwed up. Like you, I have little playing time due to real life issues (wife, kids, job and all of that annoying stuff ) and some nights I can't play at all because of these bugs or LameSpy's lack of vision. So I'm hoping that these problems get fixed soon so I can actually play, but not at the cost of forcefully reducing de playing community. The more of us we are will eventually make this better for everyone. So if anyone knows anyone at LameSpy, tell them to get their nuts together and give us what we paid for! And I paid a lot. You wouldn't beleive how much it costs to have this thing brought all the way to bananaland (Chile). *i'm exagerating only a little bit
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Post by WarningU2 on Dec 28, 2005 10:24:18 GMT -5
I have found that if you clear your cache prior to joining or after every failed attempt to join you have a much better chance of succeeding in joining a game.
You cache files are located in your MyGames - just select the cache folder open it and select all files and delete. Or setup a little bat file that purges them all each time you start the game.
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Post by ironclad on Dec 28, 2005 14:03:45 GMT -5
I believe in civ3 they had points added little by little for cities why dont they do the same for civ4???
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Post by Sidhe on Dec 28, 2005 14:08:58 GMT -5
According to the readme file, pressing shift on boot up will clear your cache. Also Get Civ4f nicodamax it seems to make connecting easier.
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Post by NicodaMax on Dec 28, 2005 14:32:28 GMT -5
According to the readme file, pressing shift on boot up will clear your cache. Also Get Civ4f nicodamax it seems to make connecting easier. What is Civ4f, and where can I get it?
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Post by SirPartyMan on Dec 28, 2005 15:18:13 GMT -5
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Post by NicodaMax on Dec 28, 2005 15:30:29 GMT -5
Thanks! (I think) It's in french! I'll try it out when I get home in 1,5 hours from now ;D
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Post by Sidhe on Dec 28, 2005 17:46:26 GMT -5
The websites french the download comes in both English and French Merci mes amis Francais
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Post by NicodaMax on Dec 28, 2005 18:21:30 GMT -5
The websites french the download comes in both English and French Merci mes amis Francais Funny how french seems so alien to me even though I speak spanish. merci pour ta réponse rapide. Aliment égal que les français sont fous. I hope that made sence and that I didnt insult anyone
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Post by civerdan on Dec 28, 2005 21:40:43 GMT -5
I know the feeling about team game maps..One game I only had room for 2 cities at the end of penninsula and only 3 hills to work with. ugh. I dont care for pangaea and "balanced" maps in general. Seems like Im always surrounded by 4 people with no metal in cap.
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Post by Lestat on Dec 28, 2005 22:25:37 GMT -5
Just finished game. I kno 99% that our host pw-ed hes civ. But 2 people later join hes civ. This pw dnt work bc i saw it to many time's. AI is on as setup. Maybe this setings is incompatible with pw-civ.
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