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Post by Canucksoldier on Sept 24, 2007 8:37:38 GMT -5
You threw classical out for final frontier? ROFL I remember when all GOD played was fall from heaven, that was not made a ccc event. So now one dude and some buddies of his like final frontier and its in ccc? I admit I should give final frontier a try, but ccc? Btw, this is only second ccc for bts and I don't think anyone knows what even the ren tech path should be at this point or what civs are best in anc? MDR didn't even build another city in modern and the game almost went distance. Is that the best way for modern? I don't see many people playing futre or indus, what is best way there? Isn't that enough? Red: ccc should be about traditional settings GG red, case closed. The sunday scenario is about running a mod, and out of all the mods with BTS, FF is the most popular, i didn't think people would want another UQC game and UU Madness and other mods/scnearios are not played at all. That is why FF is being played on Sunday. CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Sept 24, 2007 10:02:16 GMT -5
Hope KC will qualify for sunday, it will be bad that the main supporter of FF doesn't play him About sunday day, why schedule has changed? That was already late for european(and too hard for some countries), but now it's worst. What is the reason for this change? Last CCC was: Event #11 8:00am now 8:00am => = Event #12 9:30am now 11:00 am => +1:30 Event #13 11:00am now 12:00 pm => +1:00 Event #14 08:00am now 12:30 pm => +4:00 We need to sleep for monday working chris. Chris the sunday timings didn't really change, the Medi was removed so it's time slot is open. Your also forgetting that the event numbers have changed due to the extra OCC. The only real change is that Event 14 is at 1230 which is 30min later start than any event before, but I can put that in the medi slot if that makes it easier at 930am. CS
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Post by venceslas on Sept 24, 2007 10:39:23 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer CS. However I'm unsure to understand it.
Last CCC we have four events the sunday day, it's the same for this CCC, so I think I have compared apple with apple(well, if I have made a mistake, I don't see it). Mediev event is also in this CCC and the previous.
I must admit the last event from previous CCC was same time that mediev due to the fact that was a kind of ironman. that's probably the point that I haven't understood in your post. And yes I will be happy, if you advance a bit to the same time than previous CCC event 12 and event 13.
chris.
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Post by cryptococcus on Sept 24, 2007 10:46:10 GMT -5
my dear crypto noob, full of enthusiasm and ideas but not even a clue on how to wipe your own butt. genghy khan, agg/imp can easily get 5 or six cities out. il think your find combat 3 anti-tank with their nice little bonus against armoured units would have odds on combat 2 tanks. if u want a game , u germany me geng id happily play ya. There once was as a noob named tampax who spammed 6 cities as fast as exlax before he made it to 3 along came me before he could blink 20 tank made him think why did I do city spam what a giant noob i am
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Post by Lestat on Sept 24, 2007 10:55:52 GMT -5
You threw classical out for final frontier? ROFL I remember when all GOD played was fall from heaven, that was not made a ccc event. So now one dude and some buddies of his like final frontier and its in ccc? I admit I should give final frontier a try, but ccc? Btw, this is only second ccc for bts and I don't think anyone knows what even the ren tech path should be at this point or what civs are best in anc? MDR didn't even build another city in modern and the game almost went distance. Is that the best way for modern? I don't see many people playing futre or indus, what is best way there? Isn't that enough? Red: ccc should be about traditional settings GG red, case closed. The sunday scenario is about running a mod, and out of all the mods with BTS, FF is the most popular, i didn't think people would want another UQC game and UU Madness and other mods/scnearios are not played at all. That is why FF is being played on Sunday. CS Who say that sunday is MOD day... and why... If mayority dont want mod's on sunday, then dont put mod in sunday. Imagine that mayority wont naked woumans day and u put naked boys day
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Post by penny on Sept 24, 2007 11:00:41 GMT -5
Ok, here a short comment as I (like I already said) don't want to expand myself overpages... There isn't a perfect correlation between the difficulty to fill in the events, and the amount of players required. Let's say when there was 13 events there were 30 players required (can't remember if it was 29+IronQualif or 30+IronQualif) Well my point is : you can't argue like "yeah there is 17 Events now, but it's easier to fill in, because there is only 27 players needed" --> This is not true ! - First, it drasticly increase the amount of non-teamer Event, which aren't the base of the CCC. - Second, I think people arguing that way, haven't been/are not in a very organised clan. If there is 17 Events (God save us from that), there is 17 Events to think about, 17 Strat (who said 34?) to think about. 17 Topics to create in the Clan Forum, 17x10 Opponent clan strat to study. - Add to that, that new settings are a lot of work (Futur Regicide represents trumendous amount of practice to "understant") Any major change is multiplying the time required by 5x. Just like someone said in the previous page of the topic, with BTS just out, we haven't even figured out what are the best tech path in Ren, what are the best Civs in several events. - Lastly, Let me remember you we're not Pro-gamer, Civ isn't bringing back any penny home ( ;D) we can't practice 24/7. All together, you have the answer why some major clan are not showing up/playing anymore/taking part/looking good/struggling, and that some (not all, I'm not saying it is easy ) Event winner may not even THAT good at their event.
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Post by Atomation on Sept 24, 2007 12:27:06 GMT -5
The final frontier event really needs to be pick civ. Some of the civs are just grossly underpowered - the civ with -2happy/health is just god awful, and I would hate it if anyone had to play with that civ in the ccc, it's basically autoloss. All in all the civs should really have some input from the MP community for balancing, because the guy who made it clearly has no clue.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Sept 24, 2007 13:41:19 GMT -5
The final frontier event really needs to be pick civ. Some of the civs are just grossly underpowered - the civ with -2happy/health is just god awful, and I would hate it if anyone had to play with that civ in the ccc, it's basically autoloss. All in all the civs should really have some input from the MP community for balancing, because the guy who made it clearly has no clue. Well civ picking i not even specified, but I'll ask Bopper who provided me with those settings, if duplicate civs is not a issue I don't have a problem with that setting. CS
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Post by holocanthe on Sept 24, 2007 14:38:40 GMT -5
Votre pourriture de mod régicide en 30 minutes = 3 plantages de Civ un lobby injoignable 1 plantage de l'ordinateur Et pour jouer pire que le Classique, si vous avez du pétrole sur la capitale = vous gagnez. Aucune envie de l'écrire en anglais And soluce for FF évent = Boycott
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Post by zzZhenon on Sept 24, 2007 15:08:57 GMT -5
I fully agree and support the idea of having a "scenario" event, and I think it should change every CCC = GJ on FF event thx On the down side, UQC has been tested and played and is found wanting. Remove it forever.
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Post by SweViking on Sept 24, 2007 15:21:04 GMT -5
Jesus christ... What sort of joke is this?? What are these clown event doing in the CCC. If its not removed im 100% certain CCC will die completly. Im seriously thinking of making a own new CCC internet based. I´ve said 100 comments about how to make CCC better in the history, how to change the way the clans are shuffled to minimize wait time and so on.. Nothing happends. And now this... I might be a "old school" civplayer, but ffs lets keep CCC a civ tournament and no circus please. Things like this seriously makes me think about resigning from ladder.
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Post by chuckynorris on Sept 24, 2007 15:21:10 GMT -5
I cant believe the class event is gone. The majority of ladder games are teamers, anc-medi. 2 out of the 14 CCC events are anc-medi teamers now that class is gone. How is it possible that it was decided to decrease the % of these teamers in CCC instead of increasing? There are tons of anc, start anywhere games now, why not add that? Generally, the best players are known as the ones that are the best at these teamers (maybe ren too), but 2 events? This is just silly
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Post by Bantams on Sept 24, 2007 15:35:32 GMT -5
Yes Scrap UQC and make it a 4v4 Classical Event out of all the MODS UQC as to be the most hated one i know of only one player who always plays it where as i know of 30 plus ppl who play OCC as theres a OCC in event 9 i suggest make event 8 a 4v4 classical Thanks Banty PS if its still UQC this time on Saturday I cant TD it out of respect to fellow UQC Haters!
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Post by Canucksoldier on Sept 24, 2007 15:37:11 GMT -5
Ok, here a short comment as I (like I already said) don't want to expand myself overpages... There isn't a perfect correlation between the difficulty to fill in the events, and the amount of players required. Let's say when there was 13 events there were 30 players required (can't remember if it was 29+IronQualif or 30+IronQualif) Well my point is : you can't argue like "yeah there is 17 Events now, but it's easier to fill in, because there is only 27 players needed" --> This is not true ! - First, it drasticly increase the amount of non-teamer Event, which aren't the base of the CCC. - Second, I think people arguing that way, haven't been/are not in a very organised clan. If there is 17 Events (God save us from that), there is 17 Events to think about, 17 Strat (who said 34?) to think about. 17 Topics to create in the Clan Forum, 17x10 Opponent clan strat to study. - Add to that, that new settings are a lot of work (Futur Regicide represents trumendous amount of practice to "understant") Any major change is multiplying the time required by 5x. Just like someone said in the previous page of the topic, with BTS just out, we haven't even figured out what are the best tech path in Ren, what are the best Civs in several events. - Lastly, Let me remember you we're not Pro-gamer, Civ isn't bringing back any penny home ( ;D) we can't practice 24/7. All together, you have the answer why some major clan are not showing up/playing anymore/taking part/looking good/struggling, and that some (not all, I'm not saying it is easy ) Event winner may not even THAT good at their event. I certainly understand the problems in managing a clan and training for new events. However, at the same time others are asking for changes in the events. Some want more new stuff, some more random settings, some just want a ancient CCC, and others want it to be a clone of last weeks lobby games. It is impossible to do everything and make life easy for clans to manage. In fact it was your CCCAC clan reps that wanted the FRM included. At some point I have to find a balance point of new idea's and old ones and keeping the CCC manageable for the average clan. I probably don't get it perfect which is why I reformed the CCCAC to help me and the Admin team, which btw was my responsible to having more clan involvement in the CCC process(this is in response to Mettalians post). We likely will never be perfect, but our goal is still to design a challanging and fun CCC. CS
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Post by cryptococcus on Sept 24, 2007 15:45:33 GMT -5
I keep hearing trying new stuff. Isn't bts new stuff? I mean longhorn himslef has said that none of us even know how to play civ now that we can't make all catapults. I been trying out this sword unit lately in it's place So difficult though:D
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Post by stilgar on Sept 24, 2007 15:50:15 GMT -5
Yes but WHY change so many event at the same time why not introduce one mod event and I wonder if one french player (and look only 4 player would have play the FF tournament) have already play at the Final Frontier and learn such a mod one week before the CCC make me laugh I wonder how many player will play at this event : four ?? less lol
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Post by zzZhenon on Sept 24, 2007 16:14:04 GMT -5
Yes Scrap UQC and make it a 4v4 Classical Event hear hear!
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Post by pandorasrevenge on Sept 24, 2007 16:14:47 GMT -5
ROFL , how to mess up a ccc!!!
Oh wel lets see.
EVENT 1 good
Event 2 is great; not having byz leaves the field open for different strats. Going lib and getting astro, going astro, or going for curasiers or rushing
Event 3 Huh hmm what ever rocks ur boat. Who ever plays that mod and it sucks too.
Event 4 seems good
Event5 Lol Donut sucks as a map; or atleast change the climate or else u get a all green map. U dont have to look at where u plant ur city. Its all green so just plant away. Change the climate to rocky befor u switch the map and u get a more versitile.
Event 6 good
Event 7 good
Event 8 If u got a lot of mfg and less food u got no way to win. Maybe u can rush a neighbour but u wont win. Since u cant build gl or pyramdis to compensate for the less food.
Event 9 I thought the ladder was for ppl that enjoy multi player aspect of the game. Why not make this a 2v2?
Event 10 Hmm maybe try unrestricted leaders here.
Event 11 How do u ban spies? Since if they put them in the open u wil never discover them and they can still warn for an attack from the side?? So we take saves to control or what??
Event 12 good
Event 13 why do u guys choose the worse mods to play with and why another cton? Ugh. Make it a 5v5 start anywhere. This is the most played setup on the ladder and requirs team play and skill
Event 14 Make this a 2v2v2v2. Should be more awesome:P
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Post by axius on Sept 24, 2007 16:24:02 GMT -5
I know how to load a mod, unfortunately when uu madness was used in a ccc, only 4 teams participated. That's what I'm afraid will happen with Final Frontier, since most of the people seen playing it are either in the same clan (KC) or won't be playing in the CCC. Guess we'll see.
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Post by SweViking on Sept 24, 2007 16:25:15 GMT -5
FAILED!!!!
Lets get the CCC back to where it belongs, to the players that actually plays civ.
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