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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 4, 2007 13:52:45 GMT -5
Well viewing the results so far, it is interesting, people seem to be tired of Warlords and want to play BTS....but one week after it's released in NA is far too soon for us to be able to plan a CCC and take into account all the rule/option changes. And I for one don't want to spend all weekend making snap decisions about controversial uses of BTS mechanics. The next scheduled CCC after Aug is Sept 15th, if people want a BTS CCC before that, I can look at a dates sooner but I want to stay away from the labour/may day long weekend as well, as many people take thier families on one last vacation then. CS You should stop hosting CCC's in June during the midsummer festival celebration weekend too then, like last CCC was lol, well unfortunately I'm not an expert on every countries individual holidays But Labour/May Day is celebrated by many countries and IMHO would effect many clans ability to field teams. CS
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Post by zzZhenon on Jul 4, 2007 15:53:44 GMT -5
Well viewing the results so far, it is interesting, people seem to be tired of Warlords and want to play BTS....but one week after it's released in NA is far too soon for us to be able to plan a CCC and take into account all the rule/option changes. And I for one don't want to spend all weekend making snap decisions about controversial uses of BTS mechanics. The next scheduled CCC after Aug is Sept 15th, if people want a BTS CCC before that, I can look at a dates sooner but I want to stay away from the labour/may day long weekend as well, as many people take thier families on one last vacation then. CS Be careful CS, cancelling the C3P CCC was one of the main reasons for the "death" of that ladder. Oh sure some people still played, but when Civ4 came out and they cancelled the next CCC, it was never the same. B2C fell apart after that... lack of interest in civ3 AND let down by civ4, then the CG/Other Ladder controversy was the nail in the coffin for us. Anywho that's just my personal experience... don't stall the CCC for very long because there may not be interest after a long break.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 4, 2007 17:03:28 GMT -5
Well I don't think we are in any way in the same situation that C3P was in, we are simply trying to make the best of the transistion to a new XP. We are a healthy and strong community that isn't anywere near the end of our game, in fact I'm hoping that BTS brings us even more players and good times. I think it would be a bigger mistake trying to run a BTS CCC a week after it's release, half the ladder won't even have the game at that point. When WL's came out, it took 3 weeks for the ladder to transistion to it. I don't see BTS happening any quicker, it just takes that long for BTS to become available in parts of the world. Plus even though I've tested BTS I would still be guessing at the best maps and settings and optional rules for some of the events. At the very least I think we have to delay the CCC by 3-4 weeks for a critical mass of players to have the game. It's not really important for everyone to be experts, it just means we all will make dumb mistakes CS
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 4, 2007 18:04:56 GMT -5
This poll makes me laugh -- how do 12 people (at this point) want to run the next CCC using BTS? First off, clans with a good number of beta testers (like RaY) will have a huge advantage. Don't you all hate RaY? Second, how do you know you'll actually like BTS? The new features could be lame, it could be super laggy, bugged, and crazy unbalanced.
I say either delay this CCC a few weeks or skip it altogether. If this is an unacceptable option, then it must be played on Warlords, plain and simple.
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Post by Polydeukes on Jul 4, 2007 22:29:34 GMT -5
Yes!! Noo!!! i dunno ask someone else ;D maybe delay a week or 2
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Jul 5, 2007 1:12:18 GMT -5
I'd like to see a delay of 3-4 weeks before the next CCC. From what I've read so far, BTS has so many conceptual changes to its game play that it will take a bit of time to figure out which game settings need tweaking and if there might some new scenarios that would be cool to play. Then, once the CCC Organizers have a chance to figure all this stuff out, they still need to post the settings so that we all have a chance to give them a try. So if it takes a week from release for the Organizers to post the settings, then another week for us to try them out, plus the unpredictability of a global release = 3-4 weeks. Plus I'm on vacation Aug 3 - 5...
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Post by venceslas on Jul 5, 2007 1:23:23 GMT -5
Agree with Mookie.
Just copy your warlord directory if you got BTS(and it's possible that many people don't get it).
All would have plenty of time to learn BTS to the september CCC.
chris.
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Post by toratoratora on Jul 5, 2007 7:01:04 GMT -5
Never Mind CCC when is the Next COT maybe trial BTS in the COT before using it in a CCC as anyone thought of that!
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 5, 2007 9:12:37 GMT -5
Never Mind CCC when is the Next COT maybe trial BTS in the COT before using it in a CCC as anyone thought of that! Yes Banty I did...and I've emailed Levi/nolan with the suggestion that if we delay the CCC that we should run COT's and other BTS tournaments in the gap. CS
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Post by DrShot on Jul 5, 2007 17:11:01 GMT -5
Why would you think we all hate RAY?
Having a good jump on a new release is a good advantage, obviously; be it through release dates or through Beta testers.
No need to set something in stone b4 the product is even readily available.
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 5, 2007 17:15:46 GMT -5
Why would you think we all hate RAY? Just a joke, although I know it's true for at least a few people . Uncommon wisdom. Wait and try BTS before you vote for it. I don't want to break my NDA (non disclosure agreement), but I do have a lot to say!
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Post by DrShot on Jul 5, 2007 19:40:53 GMT -5
"Don't need a team event that could turn out to be "gang up on the leader," "everyone hates MUD lets all attack them," etc. " HA! The truth comes out, so it's MUD everyone really hates! Actually I was thinking a few things when I first posted, I am at 'work' so I had to stop and restart several times. Civ 3 NOD was the evil empire clan, the one everyone loved to hate( they enjoyed it as well) even if they were not so supreme Reading the few comments of the testers about 'this n that' there are seemingly more messages about the game, its good and bad side, occasionally written into the posts than appear at first glance.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 5, 2007 20:14:54 GMT -5
Why would you think we all hate RAY? Just a joke, although I know it's true for at least a few people . Uncommon wisdom. Wait and try BTS before you vote for it. I don't want to break my NDA (non disclosure agreement), but I do have a lot to say! I agree that for a really imformed vote we will need to wait until after people have played BTS, but unfortunately I can't wait until the end of July to make a decision about a CCC in the first week of August. We'll just have to make our best guess sooner than that. CS
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 5, 2007 21:15:14 GMT -5
I agree that for a really imformed vote we will need to wait until after people have played BTS, but unfortunately I can't wait until the end of July to make a decision about a CCC in the first week of August. We'll just have to make our best guess sooner than that. Which is exactly why we need to either postpone the CCC a few weeks or cancel it altogether to give people a chance to get to know BTS. If either of these options proves exceptionally unpopular, then we just need to play the next CCC with Warlords. One week is not enough time to give the Ladder community to get used to the new Expansion Pack. Not everyone will have time to run out and buy it, the release date probably isn't the same all over the world if they follow the Warlords release model, and not everyone will want to pirate the game. After all the MP problems and headaches Firaxis has caused, I find it hard to believe that so many people are blindly voting their faith to Firaxis that they didn't screw up BTS any less than they've screwed up with their past MP endeavors.
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Post by MMV on Jul 5, 2007 22:01:22 GMT -5
Choices are wonderful things....
You can choose to play or not to play - it's alway an individual choice
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 5, 2007 22:09:51 GMT -5
Choices are wonderful things.... You can choose to play or not to play - it's alway an individual choice Thanks once again for your profound insight. Or ... We can make the logical choice and hold off switching over a huge event like the CCC to a brand new expansion until people have actually bought (or pirated?) Beyond The Sword and been given a fair amount of time to familiarize themselves with the game and come up with new strategies.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 6, 2007 0:58:42 GMT -5
I agree that for a really imformed vote we will need to wait until after people have played BTS, but unfortunately I can't wait until the end of July to make a decision about a CCC in the first week of August. We'll just have to make our best guess sooner than that. Which is exactly why we need to either postpone the CCC a few weeks or cancel it altogether to give people a chance to get to know BTS. If either of these options proves exceptionally unpopular, then we just need to play the next CCC with Warlords. One week is not enough time to give the Ladder community to get used to the new Expansion Pack. Not everyone will have time to run out and buy it, the release date probably isn't the same all over the world if they follow the Warlords release model, and not everyone will want to pirate the game. After all the MP problems and headaches Firaxis has caused, I find it hard to believe that so many people are blindly voting their faith to Firaxis that they didn't screw up BTS any less than they've screwed up with their past MP endeavors. Yes I agree Mookie, so if people don't want to play Warlord's again then we'll use BtS, but I'll delay it alteast long enough to make informed decisions. I'm waiting for more input in this poll, but the 17-19 Aug is a tentative date that I'm looking at. CS
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Post by tamijo on Jul 6, 2007 3:42:57 GMT -5
I just dont understand why the CCC, is decided based on a vote, or a tread in here, would be logic to me that every clan partipating in last CCC gets 1 vote each, (not especialy thinking about this question but rather CCC changes in general) As it is now, is more or less random, what clan would have the more people voting, not to mention that every non clan member can vote just for the fun off it.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 6, 2007 8:07:47 GMT -5
I just dont understand why the CCC, is decided based on a vote, or a tread in here, would be logic to me that every clan partipating in last CCC gets 1 vote each, (not especialy thinking about this question but rather CCC changes in general) As it is now, is more or less random, what clan would have the more people voting, not to mention that every non clan member can vote just for the fun off it. This topic was discussed in the CCCAC before this, but not all clans are actively using that forum yet so I wanted a little more input. And this is not a vote, it's a poll, the decision is still in the hands of the admin team, based on the best info we can get, which this poll forms part of. CS
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Post by deyreepher on Jul 6, 2007 9:00:33 GMT -5
Um, MP in BTS is laggy, yet again. Everything seems to be alright for SP, but for us MP....the game play just gets way too laggy for MP use. So, unless a patch is scheduled for release when BTS launches...I'd say it'd be more of a headache for the CCC than anything.
Some minor kinks need to be addressed and smoothed out. Otherwise you're dating a girl named Enal, without any lube.
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