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Post by SweViking on Jun 27, 2007 4:27:40 GMT -5
I just wanna get some discussion about map settings for modern era. imho the HB tbg map is a horrible map for this era. It completly erase whats fun in the later eras. boat option and finding ways for tech advantages. Like ren or indu. Maybe find flight or find fast ways to get chopters or what ever. TBG map is all about rush rush rush. And since its so dependet whatever you have the possibilty to plant on oil with start settlers or if you have to search for it for 3-4 turns. Its go all gold, slave and get GA bombs. Its just a major massacre where the victims are the ones without oil close to its start location. I played this map 4 times now, and in 3 of 4 games the ones that have oil close to cap wins fairly easy. Just railroad to front and attack in "1" before even 10 turns have elapsed. Because if you dont have oil you search for it desperatly just to find out when you finally found it you have 10-15 tanks outside your city and killing you Sure you can make marines, artillery and so on just to stay alive abit longer but you are anyway dead, just it will take a few more turns... Im not a modern "expert" but i´ve played enough civ games that i see a mjor problem here. I like modern, but not the ccc settings. I wanna have a map where u can use all options. Donno whats beast suited but one with water for sure and maybe decrease turns abit to make up for it since build up will be longer. Well i say it again, great era but horribel map in my opinion. Please say whats your experiance and toughts about it. // swe
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Post by charliebrownparker on Jun 27, 2007 8:10:37 GMT -5
I agree Swe. TBG sucks for modern. We should have a debate about that.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 27, 2007 8:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by SweViking on Jun 27, 2007 9:03:44 GMT -5
Idont who voted tbg there But i expect it was quite a few that voted and dident dedicated 1 min of toughts about their choice. And i guess that group of players is the ones that plays MEDI on TBG all day and love that map And for us that have actually TRIED to play MODERN on TBG map, i suggest we bring back the debate again.... If its not too much to ask for.
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Post by toratoratora on Jun 27, 2007 9:12:24 GMT -5
I Agree The TBG map for Modern is so Boring need boats and as BTS is out before next CCC the modern event needs to maybe be played on HB Inland Sea instead unless theres some other maps in BTS that we dont know about but best wait till BTS is released and see whats Good and whats Not and maybe re-do the polls for the various CCC events before we move to BTS for CCC!
P.S. I Voted Inland Sea last time
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Post by charliebrownparker on Jun 27, 2007 9:37:43 GMT -5
A poll on public forum isn't so representative of CCC players feelings. Even crypto's grand mother can vote!!! I would better have such a debate on CCCAC forum.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 27, 2007 10:36:10 GMT -5
A poll on public forum isn't so representative of CCC players feelings. Even crypto's grand mother can vote!!! I would better have such a debate on CCCAC forum. I don't have a problem with re opening the debate, I was just pointing out that we had a lenghty discussion just a couple months ago. BTS will have some more maps, and that may effect our CCC events as well. The CCCAC certainly can discuss the issues of maps for events, but I can see who voted on the polls, and they are all ladder members, no polls were cooked by anyone. And atm the CCCAC is not as active as I would like either, so please encourage all the authorized clans to send representatives. CS
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Post by cryptococcus on Jun 27, 2007 12:00:46 GMT -5
WTF, ROFL my grandmother? Leave her out of this nuts
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Post by cryptococcus on Jun 27, 2007 12:01:09 GMT -5
BTW, I vote hub
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Post by Lestat on Jun 27, 2007 12:55:44 GMT -5
I Agree The TBG map for Modern is so Boring need boats and as BTS is out before next CCC the modern event needs to maybe be played on HB Inland Sea instead unless theres some other maps in BTS that we dont know about but best wait till BTS is released and see whats Good and whats Not and maybe re-do the polls for the various CCC events before we move to BTS for CCC! P.S. I Voted Inland Sea last time How many modern teamers u played
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Post by deviousdevil on Jun 27, 2007 13:03:21 GMT -5
This CCC GOD had alot of fun games on TBG map, especially when clans put up a fight and we didn't kill the whole team in under 10 turns. TBG map can be extremely good, if the teams are both up to it.
That said, the modern games in the 2vs2 random random on continents were excellent fun and teching was an option, though still a risky one. That and we could actually use spies!
TBG would be better perhaps with no culture bombing.
All this said, mirror maps all the way so land isn't supporting one side over the other and it is a test simply of ability...if you want continents there is a mirror map for continents now, get that going.
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Post by ot4e on Jun 27, 2007 14:14:52 GMT -5
I dont agree that the map is bad for modern. There is nothing keeping you from building your tank stack as fast as enemy team do. HB script allmost allways places oil near to you. And tank is only 28 against 24 marine, not enouph to kill one on hill or fortified. Culture bombs is an issue, may be they are to be fixed, but they aint real problem if you have proper Ghandi in your team. I think that modern tbg is for decent players with much funny ground fights. There are quiet enouph sailing in future and indu so i like sea being removed from this event/
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Post by zzZhenon on Jun 27, 2007 23:29:33 GMT -5
I think the title should be: Industrial! Great era, bad map? cuz MDR ruined that era and map with their damned boats
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Post by stilgar on Jun 28, 2007 5:37:29 GMT -5
. There are quiet enouph sailing in future and indu so i like sea being removed from this event/ Completely agree with that point of view
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Post by SweViking on Jun 28, 2007 7:29:54 GMT -5
Can it ever be enough boats? ;D
Anyway, to close out a option is never good imho. If we you like to attack by land then do it, its possible in maps with water also.
You said that you can make marines, i said that also. You can make marines and survive for abit longer but you will be dead in the long run if you face a good opponent. Only thing that can really save you is if u are ghandi and bomb ur front.
Oh well, TBG is such a useless map for anything beyond classical. If i remember it correctly TBG was taken of classical event to prewent horse rush. (LOL) And we implement the map on modern where rush is all element there is.
PLANT; SLAVE; BUY, BOMB AND RAILROAD in 10 turns and its GG in many games. I agree that some games are abit longer if both fronts have a hard time to access fast oil.
With india you can have a attacking force of minimum 12 tanks in 8-10 turns outside enemy cap railroaded and done. (if you get resourses close)
since blitz and collateral/city attack the marines wont stand much of a chance. First of all because you need to make more settlers/workers to connect oil/coal.
Well maybe some of you like this map, ithink is totally BS. Completly trash the modern era with a nuts map like this. No brainer tactics. Slave,buy,bomb fastest and best.
Tech rate? no way, ur dead if you tech.
Boat option? No sea
Breed diffrent great people for tech? no way, you will be GA bombed to the tundra behind you ;D
Well to summary: what i like about the modern era in big is to wage your militarypowers. Be stong at sea, land or air atm? Instead of just mass stacking tanks.. with these settings we may just aswell un-ban germany as civ aswell.
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Post by stilgar on Jun 28, 2007 7:56:28 GMT -5
Keep TBG for Modern and with the new add-on BTS we will have : - Anti-Tank Gun: Is an inexpensive early counter to Tanks. You are no longer helpless if your enemy is first to Industrialism and has access to Oil.
Anti-Tank Infantry: They start with the Ambush promotion and have a 100% bonus against armored units.
;D
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Post by longhorn on Jun 28, 2007 10:15:15 GMT -5
OK- everyone said to try this event (settings) before commenting... I did. I hated it! Playing this event is 2 minutes of my life that I will never get back (before LKT killed my team). Map is sooo resource dependent, and not all team had accessable oil.
In all seriousness, I didnt care for this event AT ALL! I would much prefer a map where both land, sea, air and nuke units could come into play.. where no civs had to be banned etc.
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Post by stilgar on Jun 28, 2007 12:05:08 GMT -5
Bah it's the same thing for other event it's ressource dependant For example on the Indus Grudge (HB Map) i have no Iron strange isn't it ? but possible
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Post by Lestat on Jun 28, 2007 15:19:29 GMT -5
For all events : PUT climate to tropical and posibility to got oil is largest.
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Post by axius on Jul 2, 2007 15:33:58 GMT -5
Ban the GA bomb. It's the biggest culprit. The map is fine. Dependency on resources is nothing new: having or not having horse and bronze near you starting location in Ancient is just as game-deciding as oil in Modern. Just ban the stupid GA bomb.
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