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Post by knupp on Apr 3, 2007 14:40:28 GMT -5
Mookie I have one question for you. Just one question. Why the f-uck do you even bother with posting here. You try to make a good suggestions to try to improve on the CCC. So many ppl were complaining about this CCC. And of course when you post they rip you to shreads complaining about stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Is anybody moderating these threads? Aren't off-topic posts supposed to be deleted? AFAIK "ray is nooby" has absolutely nothing to do with improving the CCC. Especially when it is coming from NOM, who has previously not only attack RaY but the admins decision to give RaY a tie in the one CCC where the future victory condition was broken?
Maybe we need more active Admins who actually take part in the community? (and I mean actually take-part, not b*ch at everything)
Hm. Maybe I'm just having a bad day. But coming home and reading this sh*t definitely is not improving my mood.
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Post by cryptococcus on Apr 3, 2007 16:25:25 GMT -5
Another great post speaker, we are so lucky to have you as admin. I really think when people say they hate RaY they really mean speaker. Just one noobs opinion. Come on Crypto, re-read NOM's post. He called RaY nooby at certain events, Speaker responded. No matter how much you dislike Speaker, he's just pointing out that NOM made an incorrect generalization attacking RaY. I think NOM's post makes zero sense is uncalled for, but neither longhorn or speaker should be here fighting with the masses. I give speaker credit for one thing, he smells a RaY bash post or a tommynt post from miles away. Althought that is the only time he is found.
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Post by MookieNJ on Apr 3, 2007 18:55:47 GMT -5
I give speaker credit for one thing, he smells a RaY bash post or a tommynt post from miles away. Althought that is the only time he is found. Speaker assures me that regardless of the current status of his Eve addiction, he has the Civ itch and is ready to play!
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Post by DrShot on Apr 3, 2007 19:40:18 GMT -5
Nice pissing contest of a thread. Is it possible to have a post CCC forum without all this crap? This seems to get worse every CCC. I do not recall the last positive post, self promoting aside, in here after a CCC. Perhaps Civ 3 there were a few occasions.
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Post by Speaker on Apr 3, 2007 21:21:24 GMT -5
I give speaker credit for one thing, he smells a RaY bash post or a tommynt post from miles away. Althought that is the only time he is found. Somehow I managed to turn up and will all my events the past two CCCs...
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Post by mansurji on Apr 4, 2007 0:35:15 GMT -5
You guys are running out of the subject You pointed something right, Mookie, first CCC OS made we won the ironman and we went to medie final, doing such a great fight vs RAY that is still sticking to our memories as our greatest fight, for the players involved So here is another idea, that will solve this matter and also solve the numbers of admins involved. First, perhaps we should call the 2nd division the QCC, as Qualification for Clans Cup And what if the QCC was running one or two weeks before the CCC ? This way, the two teams doing best results on QCC will be able to play directly the CCC, even on first show, and teams that were disqualified of last CCC will have another chance of doing the next one. And this way, the numbers of admins required will stay the same, but twice more than usually ( still a matter, i know ) What you guys think of this ?
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Post by NumberOneMercury on Apr 4, 2007 9:17:15 GMT -5
You guys are running out of the subject You pointed something right, Mookie, first CCC OS made we won the ironman and we went to medie final, doing such a great fight vs RAY that is still sticking to our memories as our greatest fight, for the players involved So here is another idea, that will solve this matter and also solve the numbers of admins involved. First, perhaps we should call the 2nd division the QCC, as Qualification for Clans Cup And what if the QCC was running one or two weeks before the CCC ? This way, the two teams doing best results on QCC will be able to play directly the CCC, even on first show, and teams that were disqualified of last CCC will have another chance of doing the next one. And this way, the numbers of admins required will stay the same, but twice more than usually ( still a matter, i know ) What you guys think of this ? I like Mansu's solution. I also like the solution of having so many events that you're not _supposed_ to play all of them.
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Post by MMV on Apr 4, 2007 12:03:07 GMT -5
EXACTLY!!
MORE events, in conjunction with people being sportsmanlike and actually registering for games they ARE AVAILABLE TO PLAY!
I think CS's post and the admins changing BACK to MORE HARDLINE "be there on time or don't play" will also help
I've posted before that the ccc "envelope" has been stretched too far from what it was... I remember swissy (and others) either TD'ing or playing and calling for "time's up" and disqualify the clan that couldn't field the event and move on.
With the "whine factor" being multiplied by 10 with each new CCC event, I think the Admins and TD's need to ENSURE that the players follow the rules as have recently been posted by them.
It can't be "rules by convenience" as witnessed oh-so-often in the recent past - it's RULES; every sport has them and every sport ENFORCES them.
The "CCC whines" seem to occur more and more often as the current rules are "stretched" with each and every ccc.
Step back - go back to the STRICT enforcement of the rules that we used to have (proper registration, be there or don't play, etc, etc) and the "whines" will minimize accordingly.
Sorry, but I see a "divisional ccc" as an attempt of the elite clans with few players having to play LESS and win MORE with less players to field for the CCC.
20 players, 16 clans rules are there for a reason:
To encourage MORE people to join MORE clans and/or create MORE clans to bring ALL of the CCC options into play (first 16 clans registered, etc)
For those that think and believe that "playing by the rules" (time, registration, availability, etc) is unsportsman-like - sorry.
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Post by MMV on Apr 4, 2007 12:09:22 GMT -5
football - OFFSIDE'S PENALTY - oh wait, he was in a hurry; let's be "sportsman" and ignore it
basketball - PERSONAL FOUL - oh wait, he didn't really mean it; let's be "sportsman" and ignore it
tennis - DOUBLE FAULT - well it SHOULD have gone over, so we'll give him a third serve out of "sportsman-ship"
baseball - LONG LEFT FIELD... FOUL - oh that was close - let's give it to him for sportsmanship.
anyone who uses the excuse of "sportsmanship" for not following the rules isn't a sportsman.
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Post by Speaker on Apr 4, 2007 15:49:59 GMT -5
MookieNJ of RaY made this proposal. RaY has 17 members. Sorry sir, but your sight is failing.
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Post by MMV on Apr 4, 2007 17:16:04 GMT -5
I didn't mention "RAY" or any other specific clan.
who's sight is falling?
now then, off to the kitchen with you - TEA time, LOL!
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Post by mansurji on Apr 4, 2007 20:31:46 GMT -5
Ah, sorry i don't agree with you... it seems to me that you are filling the blanks with whatever you like and got in your mind about others clans matters.
The main interest i see in this divisional idea is to give weakers clans opportunity to play a nice competitive cup by enjoying the semis and finals fun too.
In the actual way, when some weaker clans get to one of this, it's a kind of miracle, that is certainly enjoyable for the 3 or 4 players involved. But if every player of a clan were able to reach one of this, it could be funnier and more entertaining for the whole clan. CCC is before everything a fun competition, made for civ players to play togethers in rewarded games. Let's let the actual clans composition out and try to think about how improving the competition for the future, knowing that clans won't necessary remain the same as they are in the future.
So this is what i see good in this idea : weakers clans are able to enjoy a CCC working, top clans are able to play a CCC in good conditions, with less byes and hard patterns.
I'd like to know what are the matters you are seeing with this idea, and please let your personnal troubles with others players out.
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Post by MMV on Apr 4, 2007 21:21:28 GMT -5
of course you have the right to disagree
which means - of course, so do I
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Post by mansurji on Apr 4, 2007 21:47:37 GMT -5
Sure, but accusing top clans to promove this idea because they aren't able to fill enough team is not the kind of constructive arguments i was waiting for If you have nothing better to say, then perhaps you should try looking for more useful arguements before answering. Go ahead, says i'm a fascist, no prob ;D The idea of this topic is to improve CCC ( i hope, i don't know neither what's exactly in Mookie's head, and i might be utopist, but i do think some people can act without interests behind, as i'm doing since OS will probably have to fight hard if they want to be once in top clans ) not to find a reason behind each action and to involve clans where they shouldnt be. Please everyone, let your differences aside and let's try to build all together a better competition for the future. This idea worth a debate, and that's we should do in my opinion.
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Post by icelion on Apr 4, 2007 22:38:45 GMT -5
i also like the idea of divisional CCC:it means certainly more games.
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Post by MMV on Apr 5, 2007 2:10:06 GMT -5
I'd love to but I have an emergency phone call from my boss right now. Maybe later.
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Post by mansurji on Apr 5, 2007 2:17:40 GMT -5
Please everyone, let your differences aside and let's try to build all together a better competition for the future. If you had to quote something, you should have taken this sentence
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Post by stilgar on Apr 5, 2007 3:39:50 GMT -5
Totally disagree with Mansurji idea (sorry Mansur lol) It implies for the clan which play QCC and CCC two foloowing week to have a lot of guys available , not easy
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Post by mansurji on Apr 5, 2007 4:16:10 GMT -5
Stilgar, it's a debate so there's no trouble if you disagree, as long as you have valuable arguments I thought about this trouble, that's why i suggested also 2 weeks between QCC and CCC, which could let enough time for players to relock another week end, and to trains during this time. Perhaps seems CCC is played every 6 weeks, we can set QCC right in the middle, 3 weeks before/after a CCC, could works no ?
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Post by whitebull on Apr 5, 2007 11:25:40 GMT -5
Block 1 week-end on 6 is already a problem for me. Block 1 on 3 ... I'll not do it, my friends will complain to much I got to organize CCC for our clan (as u're f**king lazy men ;D ), also CFC, CIC , and I guess I will not be really motivated to organize and play QCC in addition. I really enjoy being smash by good clans
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