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Post by Death to ALL on Mar 3, 2007 11:13:01 GMT -5
I was over at our sister league, C3P, for their CCC this weekend. I noticed that they don;t give points to simi-finalists that got there without beating anyone. This only happens when there are less then 8 clans playing in an event. All 3 points would be given to the Clan that got there from beating someone in round one, instead of 2 to both clans. This should only happen on Sunday if all 8 don;t play in each of the days events, since we are usually way over 8 clans playing on Fri and Sat.
I'm locking this poll for 24 hours for discussion first.
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redphoenix
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Post by redphoenix on Mar 3, 2007 12:53:49 GMT -5
Unfair, its not a clans fault they don't get opponents.
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Post by MookieNJ on Mar 3, 2007 14:43:07 GMT -5
Points should be awarded as usual, it's unfair to penalize a clan for getting a bye (when they've already showed up on time and probably would rather just play anyways).
However, I think a penalty should be enforced against teams who don't bother to field teams for events, especially so on Sunday. Only the top 8 clans get to compete on the final day of CCC, and it's pathetic that some simply skip out on an entire event.
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Post by Random on Mar 3, 2007 19:02:47 GMT -5
I have always wondered why we have rewarded those that have only won by default. I think not giving points on byes is one of the best suggestions in a while.
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Post by Bantams on Mar 4, 2007 4:46:28 GMT -5
yes I agree with ..0.. points for 1st round Byes But I dont aggree with deducting points or penalizing a clan that dosnt register for a Event the First Sunday event is Just Too Early for some of us Europeans
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Post by MMV on Mar 4, 2007 8:16:23 GMT -5
I don't know the exact number, but with 16 clans playing (unlike c3p) the odds of getting points from a first round bye are slim to none.
I haven't seen anyone get a first and second round bye
If a clan gets a first round bye, they will have their chance in second round for points.
Currently, there is a 1 point win for 4th place.
4th place should be eliminated (which would also "end" the possibility of a clan getting a single point for a first round bye)
Penalties for not playing: Already in place - the penalty for not playing is not getting a "point chance" for 1st, 2nd, etc. and allowing another clan to more easily achieve 1st, 2nd, etc without having to play a game.
A clan not playing an event, registered or not, is a clan that's making it easier for all the other clans to win - their penalty for non-participation is in itself a penalty for them and a bonus for the playing clans.
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Post by eiffel on Mar 4, 2007 11:25:09 GMT -5
This should only happen on Sunday if all 8 don;t play in each of the days events, since we are usually way over 8 clans playing on Fri and Sat. You didn't read the 1st message, MMV ? I don't see why a team that haven't won a game should get points in an event. The other semi-finalist, that won his match would get 3 points for his 3rd position instead of the 2 points when there is a tie... a tie with a team that hasn't won a match So no point for the "lucky" team... or at least, make a difference... the semi_finalist who won a game would be 3rd (3 points) and the semi-finalist who hasn't won a game is 4th (1 point).
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Post by Bantams on Mar 4, 2007 17:29:47 GMT -5
For the first time ever I actualy agree with MMV sad i know but true
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Post by Death to ALL on Mar 4, 2007 20:07:48 GMT -5
Poll is now unlocked.
Also MMV, this was mostly in regards to Sunday matchs, as was posted in first post.
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Post by MMV on Mar 4, 2007 20:25:05 GMT -5
Yes, I did - and one of my suggestions was to remove points for 4th place - removing points for 4th place doesn't have a thing to do with day of the week, but solves the problem
you should try reading all of my message
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Post by Death to ALL on Mar 4, 2007 20:30:17 GMT -5
The problem with removing 4th place, is on Fri and Sat which 2 of the semi-losers is te 4th place team? The whole reason we go with a tie for 3rd is cause the system doesn't support a tourny match to find 3rd and 4th place.
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Post by MMV on Mar 4, 2007 20:34:48 GMT -5
Poll is now unlocked. Also MMV, this was mostly in regards to Sunday matchs, as was posted in first post. Also DTA, removing 4th place points would solve the problem regardless of which day of the CCC, as was posted in my first post You, like everyone else on the ladder certainly have the right to disagree with my oppinion (which you asked for) but please read beyond the first line of my requested oppinion before you continually disagree with me Scott, you have my YIM as well as my email address if you want to continue to "discuss" your constant disagreements with me and what I post.
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Post by eiffel on Mar 4, 2007 21:38:31 GMT -5
I don't know the exact number, but with 16 clans playing (unlike c3p) the odds of getting points from a first round bye are slim to none. I haven't seen anyone get a first and second round bye If a clan gets a first round bye, they will have their chance in second round for points. I've read and read again and above, i see someone who hasn't read or understood the meaning of the poll... but if you really want to have last word and be too proud, no issue... i'll tell you're right and that you DID understand we were talking about sunday (for C4P).
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Post by MookieNJ on Mar 15, 2007 10:41:42 GMT -5
Penalties for not playing: Already in place - the penalty for not playing is not getting a "point chance" for 1st, 2nd, etc. and allowing another clan to more easily achieve 1st, 2nd, etc without having to play a game. A clan not playing an event, registered or not, is a clan that's making it easier for all the other clans to win - their penalty for non-participation is in itself a penalty for them and a bonus for the playing clans. The clans that generally skip out on events on Sunday aren't the ones who actually have a shot of winning. They simply didn't care enough to fill all of the events on the final day of competition. I understand that they may not have a chance to win the CCC, but there are still other goals that can be used as stepping stones -- try to place 3rd or 4th overall, try to win an event, try to play spoiler and knock off a team in the first round where they needed points, etc. What happened to pride? Clans that don't bother to fill events on Sunday should be penalized. Clans that find themselves in the unfortunate position of having a first round bye because another clan didn't care enough to field a team shouldn't be penalized. Then the argument simply changes from "Winning clan got tons of byes on Sunday" to "we got tons of byes and didn't get points while the winning clan got to play the weakest clan who bothered to field a team in the first round." I say bah.
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Post by eiffel on Mar 15, 2007 12:51:31 GMT -5
If you don't win a single game, you don't deserve 2 points
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Post by MookieNJ on Mar 15, 2007 16:24:32 GMT -5
Given the option between a bye and a first round game, I'd rather play than sit around for 2 more hours. When the byes are randomly determined, and when there are 8 clans eligible to play, it's not really fair to lose points because some clan was too lazy to play. Just my opinion . With 16 clans in the last CCC, 8 were eliminated from Sunday play, yet not all events were filled on Sunday. I would suggest that any clan that skips an event on Sunday should be banned from Sunday play the next CCC and let the next highest point total clan play. I'm sure there were a lot of clans that would have loved to play on Sunday and would actually bother to fill all the events.
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Post by whitebull on Mar 16, 2007 7:52:19 GMT -5
Penalize penalize penalize.... so many frustrated guys... I guess Eiffel solution is the best one, If one get into semi-final cause of bye, 1 points, and 3 points for the other semi-finalist. Last CCC, a technical problem of 2 of our players didn't allow us to play cassical event. We DIDN'T SKIP IT, but didn't manage to register 3 players, i guess it's a way different, and I guess the team is already auto-punished by not playing the event...
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Post by krill on Mar 16, 2007 17:14:30 GMT -5
It would be fairer if there was a 3rd/4th playoff to decide the points than for the team which got a bye to just be penalized.
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Post by Speaker on Mar 30, 2007 12:05:13 GMT -5
Why would you penalize a team that did nothing to deserve a penalty? They signed up for the event just like any other team. They randomly got the bye. Who is to say they wouldn't win their first round game anyways? Why not play a 3rd place game in every event? Report the losses manually (since Case's system can't handle that game), and give one team 1 point and the other 3 in the standings. Seems pretty simple to me.
Like Mookie said, I'd rather play a first round game than sit around waiting for a bye anyways. Staying up until 2am for the start of the Industrial and then getting a first round by makes me ornery.
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nicoya1
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Post by nicoya1 on Mar 30, 2007 13:39:13 GMT -5
pink tutu is making a come back ;D
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