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Post by balmung on Jan 8, 2007 14:29:37 GMT -5
8) Unfortunately MDR did not appeal this ruling until it was a "fait accompli". Still, I consider the refusal of ..A..'s team to concede defeat or at least play on with wanggon removed after 2 cities were lost to be poor sportsmanship. I am therefore disqualifying their team from that event only (where they received 5 second place points) and moving the other teams up in the final standings accordingly.
dumbas ;D
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Post by SweViking on Jan 8, 2007 15:09:30 GMT -5
1. Its a f**king shame and disgrace that ..A.. dident concede OR atleast counted of wanggon points when it was down to point race in the end. Sure i can understand that they wanna play on and try to kill a mdr guy. BUT then by good sportmanship set all wanggon citys not producing any units, starve citys down to 1, delete all units AND let mdr kill off every wanggon city.
NOW they can try to kill 1 of MDR or concede.
This act of ..A.. is the biggest BS i ever seen in ladder and CCC. Couldent believe my eys when i first read it.
A rule is a rule, obey or be taken off the victory no matter what misclicked setting.
2. Goes to Charliebrownparker and Lestat: See below
Why in the world of CIV cant a player that hasent playing a CCC game be head TD?? THIS IS also a shame and disgrace that you write like this!!
Levi stands up and take the job, sacrifice a whole weekend of his free time so WE CAN PLAY CCC AND HAVE A GREAT TIME!!!
I personally wanna give Levi a big hand for his volunteer job and good will to be here and be our head TD!!! Giving up his all weekend, sitting up almost 24/7 to answer questions and judgement calls from all CCC players.
YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL for crying out loud
All are we humans, we can ALL do bad calls etc.
What makes you CBP or Lestat so much better head TD??? Becuase you have played some CCC games??
Get REAL and get a f**king clue both of you!!!!!
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Post by Lestat on Jan 8, 2007 15:42:01 GMT -5
8) Unfortunately MDR did not appeal this ruling until it was a "fait accompli". Still, I consider the refusal of ..A..'s team to concede defeat or at least play on with wanggon removed after 2 cities were lost to be poor sportsmanship. I am therefore disqualifying their team from that event only (where they received 5 second place points) and moving the other teams up in the final standings accordingly. dumbas ;D mmmmm Im still seeing this text as hipotetical talking. Look CCC score ..A.. have still 30 points.
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Post by Lestat on Jan 8, 2007 15:43:48 GMT -5
About Levi thx for hes free time. I was talking about ruling. For ruling Head of anything must have some expirience for that thing. Also mature heads of anything was slowly but precisious on decisions.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 8, 2007 15:51:25 GMT -5
8) Unfortunately MDR did not appeal this ruling until it was a "fait accompli". Still, I consider the refusal of ..A..'s team to concede defeat or at least play on with wanggon removed after 2 cities were lost to be poor sportsmanship. I am therefore disqualifying their team from that event only (where they received 5 second place points) and moving the other teams up in the final standings accordingly. dumbas ;D mmmmm Im still seeing this text as hipotetical talking. Look CCC score ..A.. have still 30 points. I am at work now but will correct our home page this evening when I arrive home. SPM
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 8, 2007 15:54:52 GMT -5
About Levi thx for hes free time. I was talking about ruling. For ruling Head of anything must have some expirience for that thing. Also mature heads of anything was slowly but precisious on decisions. Levi has reported over 400 times according to the CIV4 standings. I have played with him in several CIV4 games. It is completely inaccurate to say he doesn't play the game. He is also extremely experienced with our Tournament System going back to CIV3. He knows our rules since he helped to write them. Regardless, whichever TD makes a ruling in the CCC, it can be appealed to a three person panel (please consult the rules). Then the collective experience of this group would also be brought to bear to solve the problem. No appeal was made on Game day. I noticed it today here in the Forum. I was online at least 12 hours on Sunday and could have been reached, but no one brought this issue to my attention. Best, SPM
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Post by Lestat on Jan 8, 2007 15:56:46 GMT -5
mmmmm Im still seeing this text as hipotetical talking. Look CCC score ..A.. have still 30 points. I am at work now but will correct our home page this evening when I arrive home. SPM ouch... This is the way how expirienced Head of thing told hes member that hes--> THE MEMBER<---dubmass.
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Post by Death to ALL on Jan 8, 2007 16:20:48 GMT -5
To MDR and ..A..,
I would first like to apologize to both teams. I rushed a final ruling on the game and may have made a mistake in doing so. At the time it felt the right thing to do after having already ruled for that match to play it with the settings that were set at launch. I felt that since it was discovered that the settings where wrong with barbs near the beginning of the game, I assumed that someone would have taken the time to check the settings and make sure nothing else was wrong. I feel that both teams had made a mistake in this match and on retro-speck fell that I also have made a mistake as well.
Again I'm sorry
DTA
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Post by Death to ALL on Jan 8, 2007 16:22:24 GMT -5
I have also adjusted the results on the resutls page to show this change in score.
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Post by SweViking on Jan 8, 2007 16:26:43 GMT -5
I am at work now but will correct our home page this evening when I arrive home. SPM ouch... This is the way how expirienced Head of thing told hes member that hes dubmass. LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRET!!!!! in my lifeexperiance its always the one calling other dumbasses that really a dumbass it self
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Post by cankaban on Jan 8, 2007 17:45:58 GMT -5
stop lying matth,i didnt say i lost worker in turn 20,i said i m losing turns,cause i cant use my workers!
also i left the game causebarbarians got 1st place in power graph at the time they entering my borders and attacking cities and killing workers..you needed to accept rehost when i ask
ALSO I JUST SAID YOU WERE 1 CITY DOWN AND WE NEEDED TO REHOST IT,AND WAITED FOR YOU TO SAY OK WE CONCEDE!!!!
BECAUSE A REHOST WONT BE FAIR!!
ARE YOU SPORTMENSHIP AND WE NOT?
HELL NO!!
U NEEDED TO CONCEDE WHEN U SAW YOU DIDNT CHECK BARBS OPTION AND LOSE 1 CITY BOTH!!
HOW CAN YOU WANT A REHOST WHEN U 1 CITY DOWN?
AND IT WAS YOUR MISTAKE NOT US!
YOU NEEDED TO BE DISQUALIFIED AT THAT TIME WHEN WE ASKED TO TD,BUT THEY SAID YOU NEED TO PLAY,AND WE PLAYED AND WON IT WITH YOUR RULES,HEH,WE WON IT WITH YOUR RULES!!
NOW YOU SAY ITS AGAINST RULES,BUT TD DIDNT MIND IT IN THAT TIME AND WE CONTINUED PLAYING..
IF MDR TEAM THINKS QUALIFYING US FROM EVENT 7 IS FAIR,I JUST CALL U CHILD NOTHING MORE..
ALSO IT WASNT A FAIR DECISION SPM PLZ CHECK IT AGAIN,OR GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE TO KILL ALL MDR PLAYERS WITHOUT ANY CITY ELIM LIMIT,WE CAN SHOW THEM HOW TO KILL A PLAYER ,HEH!!
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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 8, 2007 17:54:39 GMT -5
ouch... This is the way how expirienced Head of thing told hes member that hes dubmass. LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRET!!!!! in my lifeexperiance its always the one calling other dumbasses that really a dumbass it self hehe actually swe he said "dubmass," soo.....
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Post by Lestat on Jan 8, 2007 19:59:22 GMT -5
ouch... This is the way how expirienced Head of thing told hes member that hes dubmass. LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRET!!!!! in my lifeexperiance its always the one calling other dumbasses that really a dumbass it self Think that crusing from swe to rusia and back had bad result on yor healt. Votka killing brain. On start of this dumbass posting I told that im dubmbass bc i dont saw SPm judging. But SPM was judging and Im dumbass but you to.
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Post by Lestat on Jan 8, 2007 20:00:51 GMT -5
LOOK AT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRET!!!!! in my lifeexperiance its always the one calling other dumbasses that really a dumbass it self hehe actually swe he said "dubmass," soo..... u wont to be zzDumbasszz to?
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Post by matth on Jan 8, 2007 20:35:35 GMT -5
To MDR and ..A.., I would first like to apologize to both teams. I rushed a final ruling on the game and may have made a mistake in doing so. At the time it felt the right thing to do after having already ruled for that match to play it with the settings that were set at launch. I felt that since it was discovered that the settings where wrong with barbs near the beginning of the game, I assumed that someone would have taken the time to check the settings and make sure nothing else was wrong. I feel that both teams had made a mistake in this match and on retro-speck fell that I also have made a mistake as well. Again I'm sorry DTA No problem DTA everyone makes mistake and we did a biger one with the settings.I agree that both team made mistake and both team had to be disqualify because anyway a rehost wasn't possible after 4 hours of game in the first round. But anyway this is finish. The good point is that A and MDR teams will always remember to check and recheck settings. PS : stop kidding me with that guys In all game i made since Saturday, everyone ask me to play it in 5 city elim and raging barbs I wasn't even the host ;D
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Post by Random on Jan 8, 2007 20:41:37 GMT -5
I feel that as The Head TD I should apologize to the MDR team. I am in the military and was on duty and working this CCC weekend. In fact I have been gone quite a few CCCs this year. As I see here some say that the TD should play that game and I do agree, and though I do not play as much as I want to, I do know the game. I do not feel that the decisions made here were correct. It is true that all should check settings and are accepting said settings if clicked in. At the very least game should have been restarted when barbs were seen. I have had CCC games restarted before for similar reasons and still feel that was a good decision. But though I feel that way, sportmanship should take precedence, and knowing you lost 2 cities in a 2 city elim and playing on is pretty close to cheating. Of course I guess this may be one of those its no against the rules yet so leagal until it is decided upon. It is crap like this that has taken away much of my intrest in the game as it is. though my job has taken the biggest chunk of the game away. I mean who would play with me at 9 AM eastern or at midnight eastern. In conclusion I am very sorry that you were wronged, and hope that this does not taint your decision to continue playing in the CCC.
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Post by mrgametheory on Jan 8, 2007 23:04:43 GMT -5
I am just finding out about this mess now, and I am sorry that I was unable to find out about this earlier....
Due to the fact that there isnt a current rule stating that a game must be scrapped if in the middle of the game settings are found to be in error, the game should continue and until the end of the time set or if both teams agree to a scrap or a TD agrees to a scrap. Due to the fact that Both Teams didn't agree to a scrap and the TD of the event agreed to continue ..A.. should not be disqualified for this event and they deserve to win this round. After the TD ruled on the decision all players continued to play until the end and ..A.. won. Case closed. All players knew there was a mistake in settings and agreed to play. Maybe wanggon wouldnt have died at all if ..A.. didnt lose those workers... Who knows such things, the fact of the matter is you cant speak in If and you must speak in what happened. Lets say settings were clicked and Wanggon would have been removed after he died. Who is to say that ..A.. would be unable to take another city of the MDR player that lost 1 already to regain the win over the game. Due to the fact that both teams agreed to play on ..A.. felt compelled to defend for the rest of the game and not pursue a second city......
What I am saying in short. Is that ..A.. deserve to move to the next round. For a TD to rule on a decision after CCC has ended and change the score is unacceptable. How dare the other team talk about sportsmanship when they said on turn 15 that this is the last chance to scrap the game and after this there is no scraps. MDR captain even said that the decision should stand because he agrees that once a game starts and all players accept settings the game stands.
For mookie to say that players will play different era or something on purpose is very very ridiculous and I am surprised that statement even came out of his mind. This is a mistake and there is a difference between mistakes and Intentions and if it needs to be spelled out in the rules than do so. It may seem complex to some people, but adding a few lines of text into the rules for CCC will take less than 45 seconds................. So don't try to bring that slippery Slope into my house......
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A rule should be made for future CCC on accepting settings. ..A.. Deserves the points it received. If anything, SPM should of ruled that both teams need to replay the game with the correct settings. If ..A.. Wins than they get the 5 points, if ..A.. loses than they get 0 and MDR gets 2 points. If this is not accepted by both teams than both teams receive 0 points for the event. Both teams showed poor sportsmanship this game and its not right to point the unsporting finger at ..A.. .For the Head TD to disqualify a clan in an event after CCC is over is ridiculous and the appeal process should of ended at the end of CCC.
Personally, I do accept some of the TDs to use wrath on the ..A.. clan because I am a member and they may disagree on previous decisions which have ruled in my favor, but to take points away from ..A.. after CCC is already over is an insult and if ..A.. would of won CCC by 1-5 points and he pulled this decision in this manner I would be so furious that I would probably do something so bad that I wont even announce it here because ..A.. didn't win and Its not right to take it to a certain level when speaking in hypothetics.
SPM appeal your own decision and offer both clans a chance to redo the event with proper settings. Thats the right decision.
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Post by mrgametheory on Jan 8, 2007 23:09:45 GMT -5
Incidents liek this happen but 1-2 times a month and not 45 times a day. its not complicated to just add these rules in. The most that should of happened on this decision is ..A.. should of recieved their points and a rule regarding continueing games with poor settings be made........ Thats it..... Anytihng beyond shows a lack of judging knowledge on any person making a decision on this matter especialyl considering CCC is over....
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Post by Random on Jan 8, 2007 23:22:43 GMT -5
MGT said "For the Head TD to disqualify a clan in an event after CCC is over is ridiculous and the appeal process should of ended at the end of CCC." Now this is not what I said at all, and I wazs not part of decision. I said that I was sorry that such a decision was made by another TD, and I further stated my feelings on said matter. Another thing believe it or not, I do not chastise ...A... for their choice of a leader nor that said person plays for them, I make my opinions against the transgression. The admins should not have to write new rules on a weekly basis, as suggested, one should play in a sportsmen like manner. A good rule is that if you have to ask is it wrong, it is... The thing that makes you want to ask is called a concience..
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Post by MMV on Jan 9, 2007 0:38:47 GMT -5
A rule should be made for future CCC on accepting settings There is/was a rule - it's here civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?board=ccc&action=display&thread=1167415562&page=1the first post - the one with all the different events and their specific settings in it (same one that limits clan players to 20) here it is We ALL "accepted the rule" when we checked in - you know that part at event registration where it asks you if you agree to abide by the rules and you MUST click "YES" or it won't let you register and play the event? That's it (you MUST "accept" abiding by all event rules and settings for EVERY event, no ifs, ands, or buts) This isn't Civ Hold'em - there is no shuffle-up and deal on this one.
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