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Post by WarningU2 on Aug 30, 2007 23:55:39 GMT -5
restarted game ... not sure why you wouldn't have been able to get in ... just applied the latest MS hotfixes.... I just connected ok after reboot. Please let me know asap if you can get in.
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Post by WarningU2 on Aug 21, 2007 5:17:48 GMT -5
fixed now ... forgot to start it up after taking the game down briefly last night to apply some maintenance for my scanner ... just an FYI ... just about every co. are updating their drivers / software now for vista and incorporating other fixes for xp in the update
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Post by WarningU2 on Aug 19, 2007 9:50:29 GMT -5
Not sure if you are going to get reminders from the game the last turn ... it appears the last pitboss update ... it must have been that ... returned all my civIV ini files (warlords, civ4 basic) to their default state ... removing the smtp settings, my game name, email address, game not full setting (prefer windowed), resolution setting, no intro movie etc etc. PITA It's fixed now - I didn' realize at first. but if you didn't get a reminder from the game that's why. Sorry. Just sharing to check your own ini files. Thanks for the reminder of the BM ... (not bowel movement but while we're there ... oooh a truck backed up today and I had to scoop the bowl to get the flusher to work) ... there is a BM coming up so .... points race starts now
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Post by WarningU2 on Aug 17, 2007 5:42:45 GMT -5
Game going back up. I took it down last night to run some ms updates and from reading a journal I receive found this little ditty.... secunia.com/software_inspector It showed me that my pc was out of date on a number of programs that run on my pc - java, adobe flash player, winzip, etc and that is a security risk that alot of hackers are taking advantage of. The software runs analyzes your system and then provides you a link to update the software in question. Now that I am all updated ... game is back up. I think mightydwarf you are the only
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Post by WarningU2 on Aug 16, 2007 17:36:46 GMT -5
Ah... Windows Live OneCare is not recommended. As a anti virus program its ok, and its firewall is better than none but as an adware/spyware blocker it has some issues. Search on windows live onecare reviews and you will see its likely not the best thing to protect your system.
Symantec (Norton) has saved my bacon a number of times and although no software is perfect I have no reason to change. Yes system works screwed up my install of another software package from roxio however that package is sticking invalid registry entries out there. It's install is flawed. I have followed up with Roxio and they are looking at my findings ... actually received a thank you for documenting it so well.
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Post by WarningU2 on Aug 12, 2007 15:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by WarningU2 on Aug 6, 2007 0:09:25 GMT -5
HAving an issue with my pc ... game is down ... will advise when back up ... think I have just resolved one problem ... found another.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 29, 2007 10:48:11 GMT -5
Ok then ... as the vote must be unanimous the game continues.
If you do decide to drop out at this point because you do not like the double move / login decision please make an attempt to find a replacement and you'll suffer no penalty. If you wish for the record to state your opinion please do so but no further vote on the game continuing is required.
Thanks IanDc for voting so quickly. Game going back up immediately.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 29, 2007 9:36:58 GMT -5
ok so the question on the table is ... do we stop this game and restart ? Will each player please sign in here and let me know or email me in confidence. The decision must be unaminous. It's early enough in the game for me to switch to BTS ... I am participating in a BTS game that CS is running and I have also been playing a SP game myself to try the learn the mechanics of it and BTS has my attention ... 8 hrs last night ... So if we all want to learn BTS together in this game let me know. And also let me know how you feel about No Tech Trading. Obviously the one CIV per continent idea is not working. I have temporarily taken the game down because I was doing maintenance on my pc ... don't ask but blame the cancellation of Pirate Master. Ok I've got to tell you how things can escalate. Out last night someone tells me that Pirate Master is cancelled ! Oh no - I am lover of cheesy reality TV shows. I just find them hilarious ... Big Brother is another favourite. Well it turns out that they (CBS) are going to play the last 5 episodes of Pirate Master online but in Canada you can't watch streaming video (pissing the heck out of me) from the US networks. So I use Utorrrent and found the last episode we missed and downloaded it and then realized that my DVD burning software EMC 7 is incompatible with IE 7 which I just upgraded ... two options upgrade EMC to version 9 or remove IE 7. I had a bad experience removing IE once so I shy away from that so I downloaded the new version of EMC and upgraded this morning ... during the course of all this I had to remove the old software, defrag the drive, update Utorrent, clean the registry and then now burn my disc. I often wonder how PCs make us more productive. All they are, are time suckers I came in here to tell you the game was temporarily down and would be up soon but with the discussions here on stopping in favour of playing BTS ... I'm going to leave it down pending a vote. On the issue of logging in multiple times and on double moves its getting far too complicated. So lets say this. If a player has complaint about a possible double move they email the host. I will shut the game down, discuss with the ladder admin's their recommendation ... (it is a ladder game) and make a decision. But the general rule is double moves in a war situation to gain an unfair advantage is prohibited. If in a battle situation be sure to put your opponent on notice that they must play their turn with 9 hrs of the next turn. ie. Player 1 logs in plays their turn. Player 2 fails to move or has already played, turn changes, Player 1 must wait 9 hrs for Player 2 to make an attempt to move. If Player 2 fails to take their turn then Player 1 has every right to play their turn after 9 hrs. Shame on Player 2 for not paying attention. I think this is fair. For multiple logins I don't want to administer it that carefully ... its too complicated. Double Logins are permitted. If anyone objects to this they may without penalty remove themselves from the game and we will find a replacement. If the game is stopped and we move to BTS the same rules discussed above will apply. Does this meet everyone's ok ... let me know when you respond to the Stop and Switch To BTS vote. Vote should be I vote to continue with Warlords Pitboss or I vote to restart with Beyond the Sword Pitboss I accept the terms of the double move rule and double login or I do not accept the terms of the double move rule and double login and will not longer participate in this game.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 23, 2007 20:30:59 GMT -5
Wow ... I guess I'm not as devious as others. It would never of occured to do something like this. Explains why I never do as well.
Part of me says oh we must stop this, but another part of me says so what? Both sides have the ability to take their turn "tactically" ie. hold something in reserve and move to counter the opponents moves. If a player was able to undo a move well thats a different story but you can't once committed.
In CIV and deciding on rules that involve game mechanics and the intent of the game designers I often like to think of what would does it simulate in real life.
In actual battles observers would often report HQ and reserves would move accordingly. I don't think it would be practical myself to administer the game this way but hey ... lets put it to the vote and see what you all say. All in favour of 1 login per turn/move rule ... please say yeh or nay.
As for the double move in real life, that is using game mechanics unfairly and in my mind should be prohibited ... and is in this game with the 9hr rule with notice as discussed previously.
BTW ... I find these discussions fascinating. When I started the league it was amazing to me the debates and discussions on topics like this.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 23, 2007 19:01:50 GMT -5
Not sure why it matters why there is one login/logout per turn. Can you explain? I think the double move should only be applicable during war time in 90% of the cases otherwise it becomes too tedious to manage. But if others feel it should always be the case we're create the bureau of the doublemove dept to monitor the game There will not be a restart. Appears the premise of one continent per civ and the map option for that is flawed. Oh well.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 22, 2007 8:40:08 GMT -5
Re CIVSTATS mix up ... ok I don't know how to fix this. I thought when you set it up you select the leader and the person that will be playing it. If its selecting Mali's leader and bringing up Elizabeth's picture with the clause English Empire ... I can't fix it at this point. It must be a CIVSTATS bug. The only thing I could do is delete the current game in CIVSTATS and create from scratch ... if you folks want me to do that please let me know.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 22, 2007 8:37:27 GMT -5
Thanks for comments guys. In the spirit of sportsmanship lets not permit doublemoves within a 9hr window. In the event one occurs from this point forward please notify me. The game will be stopped, investigated and if necessary restarted from the previous save. This would only occur when a double move occurs giving an advantage to the aggressor, likely only in a war situation.
Lets try an abide by a post in this thread so it can be tracked. If you get into a situation where a double move is possible and will be giving you an advantage place a post here putting them on notice. Lets try it out anyway ... if it doesn't work or is too much bother we'll assume we can all keep track. If you have a situation like this I would take a few screen shots to help any investigation.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 22, 2007 0:41:17 GMT -5
Yes of course ... Ok modify the game play rule to allow the opponent to play within 9 hrs of the aggressor. After that the aggressor can do what he/she likes.
Does this make at all sense or am I speaking from my ahole? I just don't want there to be any misunderstanding because it can ruin a game with bickering when this happens
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 21, 2007 22:45:31 GMT -5
We have a little bit of an issue .... A couple of turns back IanDC and myself discovered that we are on the same continent. It's a large continent but we're there sharing the same bed so to speak. I mention it because the game setup / premise was supposed to be one civ per continent. This would limit somewhat civ allies early in the game trading techs and getting an advantage. Later in the game only those civs that travel across the ocean would be able to trade techs. As we're on the same continent that does provide us an advantage. Perhaps other civs have run across each other too? If so no harm no foul. But I didn't want someone to freak later in the game learning this so I thought I'd share it and let the people playing decide on our options. So the options are in my mind: 1) Do nothing 2) No Trading Rule For myself and IanDC. We would restrict trading until at least 1 other civ starts trading. Meaning that if we chose this option one of the other civs would need to notify us. Perhaps we could use a 3rd party ie. CS so their id is kept secret. I would just get a note from CS saying in your game one of the other CIVs have started diplomacy with another. Then IanDC and myself could commence trading. 3) Restart the game. Please let me know what your thoughts are. Obviously I do not want #3 but I'll leave it out there. Alternatively though ... perhaps people are thinking man I wish I'd started this with BTS. Assuming of course everyone playing here is getting BTS in the near future.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 21, 2007 22:23:20 GMT -5
I've corrected Tamjo and IanDc having the wrong CIVs selected in CIVSTATS.
You will each have to select your appropriate leader and register again in civstats for this game. The password of course is blueballs.
So IanDc select Mansa Mula for Mali and Tamijo select Elizabeth for England.
I also see that Cyrus is not registered ... is that MMV now of Cognito? MMV please register in CIVSTATS. When diplomacy starts CIVSTATS is a handy communication method. I believe the emails still work
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 21, 2007 22:09:47 GMT -5
Tamijo asked this question a ways back in this thread ... didn't realize it was there. So there is no confusion - Double moves are not permitted. That said, to be fair to all including the aggressor lets decide on this:
When involved in a battle and you are taking your turn and you happen to be the last player to play so the turn flips over, please wait until your opponent has an opportunity to respond by waiting at least 9 hrs before taking your next turn.
I think this gives the player an opportunity to play his turn and you an opportunity perhaps to move advantageously. I think double moves in real time game play although annoying as hell are just a matter of course and somewhat representative of troops on the field of battle having a better commander or equipement to move and encircle their opponents. However in Pitboss because of game mechanics it would be highly unfair for a player to just happen to be the last player and beat or kill an opponent this way. We would see everyone in pitched battles running the clock in the hope of getting the double move. That would really slow the game down.
If anyone disagrees with the 9 hr rule please let me know but I think thats fair.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 21, 2007 21:49:11 GMT -5
2000 BC Bench Mark - Official Reporting OrderPlease report according to the screen shot below. Thanks (sorry whip just managed to squeeze out a tech at an opportune moment)
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 21, 2007 17:18:37 GMT -5
Game up patched. 12 hrs on the clock
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 20, 2007 23:39:28 GMT -5
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