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Post by whiplash on Dec 21, 2007 23:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by whiplash on Dec 17, 2007 14:05:57 GMT -5
There is no operational link between this forum and anything else. It can run independantly.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 15, 2007 23:00:05 GMT -5
I think it's because there are no Muslims reading this thread.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 13, 2007 21:46:38 GMT -5
The truth is a viable defense against charges of hate speech (not speach). However, in our stupid PC world the truth seems to matter little. But here Shot won't lose (not loose) his ability to shine the light of truth. The truth ultimately will prevail.
The truth is that the so-called Religion of Peace will only result in millions of Muslims dead.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 13, 2007 9:31:43 GMT -5
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Post by whiplash on Dec 13, 2007 6:45:09 GMT -5
Brainwash the young to hate. www.memritv.org/clip/en/1625.htmThe mosque this kid is screaming about is in East Jerusalem. It was built in the 7th century on top of the remains of the Jewish Temple destroyed by the Romans in 70AD. East Jerusalem has been under Israeli control since 1969. However, from that time until now, the Israeli government has allowed an Islamic council to totally administer and control the mosque. www.memritv.org/clip/en/1628.htm
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Post by whiplash on Dec 23, 2007 23:06:32 GMT -5
Some of you who watched that may think he's just a harmless goofball with an AK-47 propped up against the wall behind him.
They probably thought the same of Hitler in 1933.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 23, 2007 23:02:19 GMT -5
Come on Mr.Whip man... can't you see that the Islams are just defending themselfs from Bush man... Bush wants to steel thier oil for haliberton, blackwater, and no-bid contracts man..... The real problem facing earth is global warming man... Not peace loving islams with WMDs man..... (leme hit that bubblebubblebubble ahhhhhh) Its all about the complex industrial military man.... its CrAzY..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by whiplash on Dec 23, 2007 10:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by whiplash on Dec 21, 2007 16:18:21 GMT -5
I have a question for all of the left-leaning, peace-loving, Bush haters out there.
Looking at the history of mankind one sees a consistent phenomenon. That is WAR, usually undertaken to expand/establish an empire. This has happened over, and over, and over ... The last time was within my lifetime and it killed 60 million people.
The question is:
WHY DO YOU THINK SOMETHING CHANGED SO THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN?
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Post by whiplash on Dec 21, 2007 15:21:47 GMT -5
you are just assuming all this country wants to do is destroy you. they have offered to make a deal and recoginze israel. read that article above you. and since no one wanted to debate whether the CIA just gives up control of a country after it has it, i will assume they still are in control in some way, and ask you why you want to know if the USA should be worried about the USA getting nukes. this whole debacle is classical fear tactic to keep you afraid so you go along with what your government tells you. plz reread 1984 you missed a few pages. Ordo's positions are so full of holes I hardly know where to begin. Try this: www.meforum.org/article/1764Excerpt: The problem is that this argument is rooted in a fraud. The "Iranian Roadmap," which was posted online by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof on April 28, was not an Iranian overture but the work of a disgruntled Swiss diplomat, Tim Guldimann.Practically everything in the Iranian Memorandum is out of character with everything else they have been publically saying. Sad day when some Americans believe the Iranian Ayatollah rather than their own president. Don't forget, it's ok under Islam to lie to infidels. The nuke power plant is just a prop to have an excuse to enrich uranium. Ordo thinks it "innocent" and the Iranians are allowing international inspections. Well, they allow inspections of the plant but not the enrichment facility which is operating in an underground bunker. And it's incredibly stupid (I hardly ever call anyone that) to say we need not worry if we have good inspection at our ports. THEY COULD KILL SEVERAL MILLION NEW YORKERS BY DETONATING A DEVICE IN THE SHIP BEFORE IT EVEN GETS TO THE DOCK. No amount of border security would stop a nuke from getting into the US; there are dozens of ways to do it.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 19, 2007 7:00:24 GMT -5
Message to the new Iranian leader with the funny hat:
Look, after I'm elected I'm not gunna fart around like that peanut farmer did. I want those red, white, and blue diplomats home pronto. If you don't do it, Teran will be a cinder. This will be my first act as President.
Release the hostages and everything will be cool.
Ronald Reagan.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 18, 2007 17:29:41 GMT -5
That's basically what I said with more elaboration.
I thought about bashing Carter in my post but didn't. I agree with TGS that Carter's blunders played a huge role in all of this.
One thing I always wondered about though; why did the American hostages get released within hours of RR taking office after a yean and a half of captivity? I have some theories, but don't really know.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 18, 2007 15:45:33 GMT -5
LOL, I'm not gunna do any internet digging for you; but I'll give you what I know off the top of my head.
Yes, Persians are ethnically distinct from Arabs. Historically Iran did not get along with the Russians. During the cold war the US became very friendly with Iran and sold/gave them lots of weapons to piss off the Russians, just like we did in a lot of other places. At the time, there was a contest between the US and USSR to find/bribe as many nations as they could to become allies. During that time of friendliness between the US and Iran their country was lead by the Shah. The Shah was secular and leaned toward Western ideas and was quite popular with Americans. During his reign he had frequent trouble in his country caused by Muslims. He banished their leader, the Ayatollah Komeni. The Ayatollah lived in exile in France for 14 years. Well the Muslims in Iran rattled the Shah's cage enough to force the Shah to abdicate. This opened the door to the Ayatollah's return in what was essentially a bloodless coup.
The Muslims absolutely hated the Shah and since America was the Shah's buddy they hated us too. After the Shah's abdication he came down with cancer and asked Jimmy Carter to be allowed treatment at the Mayo Clinic in Rocherster Minnesota and Carter obliged.
After grabbing the hostages in 1979 Iran found themselves in a war with their neighbor, Iraq. Under the circumstances of the sour relationship with Iran, the US helped Saddam in that conflict. Also during this period Iran started getting cozy with Russia even though they are traditional enemies.
The Iran-Iraq war went on for 8 years. It was during this conflict that Saddam was said to use weapons of mass distruction agains his own people. What actually happened is the Kurds were just in the way and Chemical Ali let go with the artillary laced with nerve gas. The actual targets were Iranians. American haters like to charactize this as the US helpin Saddam commit atrocities.
As you your comment about the history of Muslim conquest resulting in Persians becoming Muslims, that's true of just about every Muslim country today.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 18, 2007 13:55:41 GMT -5
Yeah, the Iranian hostage taking had nothing to do with the Iran-Iraq War. The hostages were grabbed in 1979. American support of the overturned Shah was the primary trigger.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 17, 2007 17:25:05 GMT -5
Further, the universal double standard... Stopped the madman Suddam, but what about the bosnians? Why nothing there? What, equating Suddam with Bosniaks? I don't understand your comparison. Besides the US did give Bosnia a lot of help in their fight for independance from the former Yugoslavia. For some reason Clinton turned against the Serbs (who were US friends and allies going back to WWI) and assist the Muslim Bosniaks, same thing later with Kosova. We even bombed Belgrad.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 17, 2007 14:08:07 GMT -5
Yep, just like the UN kept North Korea from obtaining nuclear capability.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 17, 2007 13:44:15 GMT -5
The US also had no "concrete evidence" that the Soviet Union was working on a space program until Sputnik went up.
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Post by whiplash on Dec 17, 2007 13:31:25 GMT -5
Founded in 1953 and used by the Shah of Iran to try to eradicate followers of the Bahai faith, the Hojjatieh Society is governed by the conviction that the 12th Imam's return will be hastened by the creation of chaos on earth. Ahmadinejad, who is only the second non-cleric to become president since the revolution, has made clear his immense respect for Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, a deeply conservative cleric with close ties to the Hojjatieh-founded Haqqani theological school in Qom. www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/13/10945For those unacquainted with the more obscure tenets of Islamic theology, the 12th Imam is held by devout Shi'ite Muslims to be a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammed who went into "occlusion" in the ninth century at the age of five and hasn't been seen since. The Hidden Imam, as he is also known by his followers, will only return after a period of cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed – what Christians call the Apocalypse – and then lead the world into an era of universal peace. Rumours abound of Mr Ahmadinejad's devotion to the 12th Imam, and last year it was reported that he had persuaded his cabinet to sign a "contract" pledging themselves to work for his return. www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/09/28/do2804.xml
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Post by whiplash on Dec 17, 2007 13:15:54 GMT -5
If Iran completes its nuclear reactor, it won't be Iran who fires the first shot. That tells me something, probably something to you to. Guess we are just 'listening' to two different things. The reactor is not the major problem; it's the uranium enrichment facility. Iran claims that it wants to general fuel to run the reactor. The enrichment facility could be used for that, but it also could produce weapons grade U-235. One simply needs to continue the enrichment process for a longer period of time to accomplish that. Iran allows international inspection of the reactor, but not of the enrichment facility. Any guesses why? The whole notion that Iran needs nuclear power to generate electricity is a thinly veiled joke. The country has huge oil reserves that could be used for electicity generations. All they need is a refinery. There is no refinery in Iran; they export crude oil but import gasoline and other refined products. If Iran really wanted "energy for the People" what would make more economic sense: Make uranium fuel? , or Build a petroleum refinery? The former is hugely expensive and requires clandestine help from offshore to develope and operate the required technology. The latter is a mature technology that can be obtained easily and legally in the international marketplace. Haliburton would be quite pleased to build a refiner in Iran.
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