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Post by Bantams on Jan 16, 2008 17:33:12 GMT -5
what the f**k this thread still here Delete it ffs
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Post by Bantams on Jan 16, 2008 17:58:10 GMT -5
i vote for Apester for Admin
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Post by TheBadSeed on Jan 16, 2008 20:35:29 GMT -5
Back in the early days of internet gaming, (late 80's through the mid 90's) I administrated and coded for a few online games called MUD's. (this was short for multi-user-dungeon) There were no graphics, this was all text based gaming. Picture Diablo 2 without graphics. The games I worked for consisted of anywhere from 50-500 players, and these games were every bit as addictive as the online games of today. We had the same problems with game balance, competition, and retention of new players. Of course, we also had the same issues with the occasional malcontent who was just sure he knew better than the administrators how to administrate the game, they were very willing to throw stones at the administration, and very seldom willing to do the actual work to accomplish what they wanted everybody to do for them. I personally swore off administrating an online game ever again, as it became an unpayed, and unappreciated second job, that caused a lot more headaches than the jobs I did that actually payed me. Being much younger then, I didnt have the patience to deal with it. I've never chatted with CS in the entire time I've been in this game, I think I played a few OCC's with him a long time ago when I used to play those a lot, but I gotta say, after reading these last several threads, I've got a lot of admiration for him. He's dealt with a lot of very pushy malcontents in a very civilized and adult manner. He has for the most part addressed the concerns of those who question his ability with class and respect, a consideration that is not always returned. Good job Canuck!
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Post by DrShot on Jan 16, 2008 22:34:04 GMT -5
It is often the mistake of many to think that admins should be recruiting in lobby. To increase the player base it is everyone's responsibility to help recruit. Speak well of your ladder and others will be interested in joining. I find it odd that it is usually players who have done nothing to help the ladder in terms of volunteering, recruitment, tding etc, who find the most fault with the current system. Do your share and your opinion may become important. Until then.....grow up. That is the entire concept of a community. No, not socialism, but still working together as a unit for the good of the overall (ladder) community.
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Post by DrShot on Jan 16, 2008 22:35:29 GMT -5
I think we need to advertise to non-ladders in the lobby. Put a game up saying join the ladder, spam the lobby, etc Lets just spam zhenov, obviously too much time there.
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Post by Cobra on Jan 16, 2008 23:09:47 GMT -5
I have been out of the civing community for awhile now but I am suprised to see that people want new admins. Judging off past experience, C3C and the youth stages of C4 Canuck is more valuable to the online civ community than he is given credit for.
Remember people he does this for FREE. There is no money involved in this for him or any other admin. The time he spends trying to make this place better for everyone that enjoys the game of civ online can't be measured.
I would say give the guy a little respect and quit trying to get a new admin. If you are just in here trying to ruffle some feathers and don't have anything better to do than just that, then I suggest get out of these threads and go play some civ.
Canuck I hope you know that you are appreciated from more than one aspect and we should be praising you for your efforts not trying to pull you down. Get over this thread and move on to more important issues. ie gaming and making new friends online. Quit the damn bickering already and enjoy the game, and the ladder for what it is.
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Post by DrShot on Jan 16, 2008 23:40:15 GMT -5
Yea, pity. Stick around, if you can stomach it, and see all the preaching that goes on, it has gotten very bad. Fortunately there are some that rise above and keep things going for the rest of us.
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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 17, 2008 0:28:10 GMT -5
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Post by mil0 on Jan 17, 2008 15:06:36 GMT -5
what kind of a silly post that is... Please start being constructive, helpful and volunteer for the game you play...
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Post by Cobra on Jan 18, 2008 0:38:07 GMT -5
lol
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Post by redphoenix on Jan 19, 2008 3:05:04 GMT -5
lol COBRA, get to playing again, I miss you And come on yahoo messanger maybe sometime? And BTW CS is the best Head admin we could ever hope for.
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Post by deyreepher on Feb 4, 2008 14:09:09 GMT -5
I do believe my viewpoints were valid while the ladder was being hosted by a free service. However, the change to a site that is being paid for by and actually administered by the admins is a different story. Once personal money is being tossed into the mix there is a whole new paradigm to the previous arguments.
I will stand by my previous stances as I believe they were valid points when I made them. In the face of the admins personally financing the new ladder project there isn't much I can say. It is a service that they are providing and it is a level of commitment that I won't bash.
I still believe that criticism is essential to the growth of any type of community, virtual or real world. Though splitting off from the main group can benefit both groups, in the Civ world it would not only be foolish, but counter-productive. It is far better to criticize and point out areas where we can improve than to sit idly by.
If you look at the route the new ladder has taken, it is similar to my posts from a year ago. The credit isn't mine for the new ladder, but by voicing one's opinions, it may give another person who is in the position to do so, to take the plunge and make the changes happen.
So while some may not like the criticism that was being tossed at the admins in the past, not all of it was just pure bashing. Quite a bit of it was constructive with a general outline to give food for thought. Whether you agree with it or not is another story. I still do not know why this community is so quick to shoot down agents of change.
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Post by deyreepher on Feb 4, 2008 14:24:31 GMT -5
Keep in mind, that the projects that the ladder can pull of successfully can and will have a direct impact on the development of the multi-player aspect of Civ 5. The Apolyton and CivFanatics crowd have contributed alot towards the development of Civ 4 and its 2 expansions.
By having a product and showing that there is a need for the MP community, we can ensure that we don't end up with the MP in Civ 5 being a re-hash of Civ 3 PTW, which Civ 4 is reminiscent of.
I do believe that an in-built ladder for Civ 5 to free up the admins to administering a league that one would find with other games and possibly to prize tournaments. Unfortunately, it seems that due to the short sightedness of Firaxis in addressing the needs of the MP community, it is the admins that have to pick up this slack. Inf act, I do believe it is due to this that the ladder has not been able to grow outside of its current role.
So it is not that I don't understand the contributions that the admins have made. I only push more for the development of the ladder over the needs of the developers at Firaxis. Until the ladder has something to show for its efforts, we'll have an asymmetrical voice in terms of the development of Civ 5 when compared to the CivFanatics.com community.
So in summary, when it comes to what features to have in Civ 5, the goal is to push for MP to have equal development time as the SP portion rather than taking the back seat like it did in Civ 3 and 4. The only way to get that to happen is to have something tangible that our community has created which would include our own site and user created mods (I've come around on my viewpoint on these mods).
If you want to see what we're up against, ask CS or Nolan to try to get you into the beta testing for the next patch. You'll be up against very knowledgeable people who know the ins and outs of Civ 4. They definitely know what the needs of the SP community are, to try to get what we need for MP without some sort of spit and polish is practically futile. Until we get our act together, the MP community will be nothing but a backwater of the Civ community as a whole.
As for recruiting, we got our SP peeps trying to recruit some of the Succession players and Realms Beyond players to try out MP. 10% of our clan's membership has come from the SP crowd, if we count players who have stopped playing MP, than that figure grows.
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