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Post by eiffel on Jan 3, 2008 19:51:42 GMT -5
I'd like to officially thank following players : - Marak - Metallian - Rokkitlauncher aka 13rd spot - [OS]Mansurji - Zarathoustra - Chucky_Norris - WarlordDR - Apester - Knight43 With special dedicace to the host of that game: - Brucebruce Why ? For giving me the password to their Elite game, being 5th in game... then while it's filling, we have 12 players... host is opening 13rd spot, letting someone in and booting without saying a word. Just before, while someone asked to closed "13rd spot", someone announced that "some players will be leaving" (they finally went with 10 players). Once booted, I ask the host that says that "council has voted"... such a nice behavior. While private games are ok, if you give password you don't boot, quite simple... so I expect report from everyone in that game. As you can see BruceBruce, i can play that game too, booting you from civ4fans and disabling your account, something i've never done before, I just hate losing my time while I spent some for the community
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Post by Bantams on Jan 4, 2008 6:44:01 GMT -5
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Post by longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:06:13 GMT -5
GG!
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jan 4, 2008 10:02:01 GMT -5
This is quite pathetic, I hope you guys are trying to actively sabotage the ladder as you are doing a great job, what are you going to do with your elitist games when there is no ladder to be elite on?
CS
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Post by kurdape on Jan 4, 2008 16:12:46 GMT -5
FL, Please remove my name from this post as I did not boot you or ask to boot you. Thanks, Ape I'd like to officially thank following players : - Marak - Metallian - Rokkitlauncher aka 13rd spot - [OS]Mansurji - Zarathoustra - Chucky_Norris - WarlordDR - Apester - Knight43 With special dedicace to the host of that game: - Brucebruce Why ? For giving me the password to their Elite game, being 5th in game... then while it's filling, we have 12 players... host is opening 13rd spot, letting someone in and booting without saying a word. Just before, while someone asked to closed "13rd spot", someone announced that "some players will be leaving" (they finally went with 10 players). Once booted, I ask the host that says that "council has voted"... such a nice behavior. While private games are ok, if you give password you don't boot, quite simple... so I expect report from everyone in that game. As you can see BruceBruce, i can play that game too, booting you from civ4fans and disabling your account, something i've never done before, I just hate losing my time while I spent some for the community
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Post by TheBadSeed on Jan 4, 2008 17:17:28 GMT -5
I was one of those that got the boot, too, Eiffel, and its complete BS. They've been doing this all the time lately. A group of them get together on teamspeak, and decide who plays. Metallian, Warlorddr, brucebruce, rokkit, and others. They are completely sabotaging the ladder. It sucks when you've been sitting in staging for 20 minutes, and then someone logs onto teamspeak and says "oh you have a game, ill play" so they boot someone to make room.
I've even seen some of this teamspeak group (falsely) accuse others of cheating by listening to their teamspeak while in game, then refusing to report. It bugs me that these good players need that crutch to play. I agree with Canuck that there wont be a ladder soon enough with this action.
Way to go, guys.
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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 4, 2008 22:12:53 GMT -5
they booted tbs and eiffel before Ape and caesar? wtf
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Post by AngelofLove on Jan 5, 2008 3:25:57 GMT -5
hey eiffel sorry to hear such a nasty thing happened Butt we must rember not all ladder players are mean. look at matalowe hes an elite player but nice to all let the jerks play with other jerks and we will just ingnore them . lol thats what i do even if i am asked to join or sub i hesite dont care for those games any way eiffel your bette then they are you can kick there ass any time of day .
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Post by rokkitlauncher on Jan 5, 2008 8:04:52 GMT -5
i wouldn't have joined if i knew he was gonna boot people without warning, especially if you are invited to a game, does seem unfair
but i also do not believe the forums is the place to come and complain, if you have a problem with bruce, or RaY(as it appears to be) then come pm us.
as far as booting bruce from c4f, lets make it clear the amount of times we have let non-RaY people join our teamspeak server for an enhanced gaming experience before we are told to be ruining the ladder, a server RaY pays for
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Post by TheClash on Jan 5, 2008 9:28:33 GMT -5
as far as booting bruce from c4f, lets make it clear the amount of times we have let non-RaY people join our teamspeak server for an enhanced gaming experience before we are told to be ruining the ladder, a server RaY pays for well, I think Eiffel is not talking about money, he is talking about a lack of behaviour ans sportsmanship
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Post by eiffel on Jan 5, 2008 11:00:38 GMT -5
but i also do not believe the forums is the place to come and complain, if you have a problem with bruce, or RaY(as it appears to be) then come pm us. It's the only place to come and complain... and i'm not even talking about RAY in this post, only giving names of the players involved in that game, about 50% RAY but also a player that played with SD2R last CCCs and 2 french players I often play with. And I've played a game with Mookie and Atlas after that, so it's not a RAY-specific thread. Just a post to warn about bad behavior that I hadn't seen in the lobby for some time. No doubt Bruce will find a way to use C4F if he really wants to, I won't be tracking him but now he knows that he can't do whatever he wants without consequences without even being sorry or giving excuse cause the only message I got was "council has voted"... no word before, no word after... and only because I asked. You can say whatever you want but it sucks ;D
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Post by marr on Jan 5, 2008 11:02:37 GMT -5
I for one won't be playing in any of these games.
Way to go Eiffel:)
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jan 5, 2008 11:06:03 GMT -5
i wouldn't have joined if i knew he was gonna boot people without warning, especially if you are invited to a game, does seem unfair but i also do not believe the forums is the place to come and complain, if you have a problem with bruce, or RaY(as it appears to be) then come pm us. as far as booting bruce from c4f, lets make it clear the amount of times we have let non-RaY people join our teamspeak server for an enhanced gaming experience before we are told to be ruining the ladder, a server RaY pays for you guys let people use your chat thing because it helps you win, not because you care about the ladder. eiffel and tbs are both honorable, old school ladder players. The way people act like they are just sooooo much better then everyone totally sucks. What needs to happen is, we, the everyday civvers, must be the change we wish to implement. When we see our brotha's getting treated unfairly, we must stand up for them and just start a new game. If you care about this community, you'll stand up to those who give it a bad reputation
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Post by lktninou on Jan 5, 2008 11:49:03 GMT -5
Pauvre eiffel, la vieillesse tout ça.
Ninou
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Post by TheBadSeed on Jan 5, 2008 12:19:47 GMT -5
lets make it clear the amount of times we have let non-RaY people join our teamspeak server for an enhanced gaming experience before we are told to be ruining the ladder, a server RaY pays for I played a game last night with a bunch of people on teamspeak, and not being there myself, I certainly didnt find it an enhanced gaming experience, as nobody communicated at all during the game. I made an artist, and had to ask for 3 turns who wanted it, before anyone responded. Nobody typed anything the entire game. I was essentially trying to gather from the pings what people were doing. Never felt so isolated in a teamer with good players as I did in that game. This isnt a slap to RaY or any other clan. Since I dont ever have time for the CCC, and don't do the clan thing, I dont even keep track of who's in what clan.
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Post by brucebruce on Jan 5, 2008 14:39:18 GMT -5
There exists in the annals of case's civ4 ladder ranking system a broad spectrum of players with varying skills and varying levels of seriousness with respect to the game. Some people play for fun, some people play for serious competition, some people play because they are lonely and some play out of boredom. A large contingent of the players who take the competition a little more seriously have chosen to associate themselves in the form of clans. Some clans are more tight knit then others. RaY's expectation of loyalty is high, as it should be. The clan would mean nothing if we didn't have some form of loyalty to each other. So I stand by my decision to prefer members of RaY over non-members when being selective about who plays in a game that I host. There was nothing vicious in my booting both Eiffel and TheBadSeed, and there was nothing personal. I have hosted many games with them in it. And RaY is not overly-exclusive when playing normal ladder games. If I were booted from a staging room because the host of the game wanted to let in a member of his clan I would not take it personally and neither should you. It is the nature of competition that some get politically excluded from the game, in civ and in life. -Peace
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Post by rokkitlauncher on Jan 5, 2008 14:41:55 GMT -5
you guys let people use your chat thing because it helps you win, not because you care about the ladder. eiffel and tbs are both honorable, old school ladder players. The way people act like they are just sooooo much better then everyone totally sucks. actually, we have had up to 4 rooms dedicated to other clans during the ccc, so they can come on and work together as a team too, with nothing asked in return. and eiffel, c4f is broken for me atm, i cant access the lobby half the time, and when i look up stats and past game records i get an error message every time, did you ban me too, or is c4f buggy. i did have a lot of respect for what you did for the ladder in creating c4f, but now that you are using that as an excuse for you to get special treatment, or banning people who boot you from games, i lost that respect. i'm not going to report to you bcos you got booted from a game that i had no control in the matter, and i assume that the rest of the game is going to do the same feel free to file since canuck thinks we are sabotaging the ladder by preffering to play with clanmates, im sure youll get your report. bruce's behaviour after the booting is questionable, and RaY will deal with that. the forums are not the only place to complain as i mentioned before you can approach bruce in pm, or mookie as his clan leader
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jan 5, 2008 15:09:11 GMT -5
Rokkit, what is sabotaging the ladder is bad sportsmanship, not clan games. You can have all the private clan games you want. But if someone joins accidentally there are good sportsmen-like ways to handle that and that was not what happened. That is the problem here. IMHO the vets of this ladder should be shining examples of good sportsmanship, and that is not what is always happening here, and I'm sure we are losing new(and potentially the next generation of vets) players because of this.
CS
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Post by rokkitlauncher on Jan 5, 2008 15:25:26 GMT -5
we just discussed this is pm, why are you bringing our conversation to the forums, i didnt mention your posts here to be polite and approach you in pm...
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jan 5, 2008 15:37:17 GMT -5
feel free to file since canuck thinks we are sabotaging the ladder by preffering to play with clanmates, im sure youll get your report. 1. Because I felt that the entire ladder would benefit from my statement, you will notice that I didn't quote anything, nor even mentioned that we had a conversation. 2. You stated something that is not true in your post that needs to be clarified for the whole ladder to understand that I was not slighting a clan nor stating that Clans can't have private games. 3. And there will be no non-reports processed unfairly as a result of this particular incident, but rest assured that I will be looking closely and further incidents of bad sportsmanship. This league needs to the place were everyone can come and be treated with respect and find a fun game of Civ, any player that doesn't understand this concept had best leave now, because eventually you will force me to remove you from the league due to your actions, as I will not allow any player to destroy what the ladder provides to the other 99% that simply want to enjoy a fun game of Civ. CS
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