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Post by churchill1 on Jul 18, 2007 20:04:52 GMT -5
Before These eyes all of your newbjitsu are worthless... BTW I am HackerFox and if I'm not I should be.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jul 23, 2007 13:48:01 GMT -5
I didn't read this whole thread just the first post but I fully agree with Mookie. This was happening before I left but it only seems to have gotten worse in the time I was away. Since being back I've noticed that there are very very few teamers available (i hope this is because we're in a transitionary period with bts) And the teamers that are being hosted seem to all end up being random/shuffle with blazing timer even in ren era on tbg map, and you can can tell which team is gonna win on turn 1, at least I can. When you try to get people to pick teams, you understand why tho, it seems like most of the top 20's are scared little nooblets. They don't want to captain. Sorry to this say this league has really gone down hill, hopefully bts will show a renewed interest from the old vets or at least some kind of improvement otherwise I'm not gonna be back for long.
lp
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Post by Elledge on Jul 23, 2007 14:29:17 GMT -5
I didn't read this whole thread just the first post but I fully agree with Mookie. This was happening before I left but it only seems to have gotten worse in the time I was away. Since being back I've noticed that there are very very few teamers available (i hope this is because we're in a transitionary period with bts) And the teamers that are being hosted seem to all end up being random/shuffle with blazing timer even in ren era on tbg map, and you can can tell which team is gonna win on turn 1, at least I can. When you try to get people to pick teams, you understand why tho, it seems like most of the top 20's are scared little nooblets. They don't want to captain. Sorry to this say this league has really gone down hill, hopefully bts will show a renewed interest from the old vets or at least some kind of improvement otherwise I'm not gonna be back for long. lp Hey LP get online and f [/b]uck around with BTS : > I finally got it installed etc.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 23, 2007 16:49:48 GMT -5
I didn't read this whole thread just the first post but I fully agree with Mookie. This was happening before I left but it only seems to have gotten worse in the time I was away. Since being back I've noticed that there are very very few teamers available (i hope this is because we're in a transitionary period with bts) And the teamers that are being hosted seem to all end up being random/shuffle with blazing timer even in ren era on tbg map, and you can can tell which team is gonna win on turn 1, at least I can. When you try to get people to pick teams, you understand why tho, it seems like most of the top 20's are scared little nooblets. They don't want to captain. Sorry to this say this league has really gone down hill, hopefully bts will show a renewed interest from the old vets or at least some kind of improvement otherwise I'm not gonna be back for long. lp Yes the slow down in general is because we are in the middle of a transistion, which is normal. As to the leadership in teamer problem...I have no idea why the top players don't want to lead from the front, I can only encourage players and manage the league well, after that the league is in the hands of it's players. CS
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Post by nicoya1 on Jul 23, 2007 23:53:21 GMT -5
yeah there are many less teamer as of late for maybe the last 3 months id say. id also agree that most likely are scared to be caps but there nothing that can be done about that
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Post by lporiginalg on Jul 24, 2007 15:39:01 GMT -5
ya I agree Canuck, this is something the players gotta fix for themselves. I personally would like to see the people hosting these teamers take a little more control. In my opinion the host should decide on the settings and for this reason whenever someone invites me a teamer they're hosting I always make a point oh asking about certain settings that might deter me from playing before I even enter the room, such as the era, map and if we are picking teams or not. It's really annoying when you get those answers and then join the game, and then the other players who joined start to cry about the settings, host changes them and then I just leave and look like an ass for quiting but I can't stand how people whine so much about settings, or why people join a room when they can see what map it's set to , and start asking the host to change the map, sheet. I'm down for democracy and all but if you people took the time to just ask the host about the settings before you enter the room then I wouldn't want so badly to punch you in the mouth when you start bitching.
lp
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 24, 2007 16:26:39 GMT -5
Yes our rules do give Hosts a fair amount of authority within the game, and while I'm ok with compromise there is nothing wrong with a host making strong but sound calls on what the game is or is not. If hosts took there authority a little more seriously then the Admin team wouldn't likely have to deal with so many "he said she said" situations in games.
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Post by zzZhenon on Jul 24, 2007 17:33:30 GMT -5
i think with civs like maya and the injuns, random shuffles might go down the toilet.... lol imagine one team having frederick and napolean and the other team is sitting bull and boudica please no more more randoms, let's pick civs by rank
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Post by knupp on Jul 30, 2007 16:32:20 GMT -5
At the time I stopped playing I would never play a "noob teamer" unless I hosted. It would take about 5 minutes of me bitching at the two topped rank players to get them to capt. but eventually the game would start. This was after I waited in the lobby for 3 hours to get enough people to actually play the game.
There might be a little boost in the amount of games played for a little while since BTS just came out. But I doubt that will last. I don't see a serious MP ladder with more than a couple hundred casual players by fall. It was hard enough to get a game with Warlords, can't imagine it now with broken BTS.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 30, 2007 17:54:03 GMT -5
Just my opinion Knupp but I think your a little premature in calling BTS "broken".
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jul 30, 2007 18:03:44 GMT -5
I gotta say I think the civ world is getting better. I never see the players that cause all the drama anymore. They musta went back into the holes they crawled out of. Its not that there are fewer and fewer people playing. Its just that maybe there are fewer and fewer people playing that have "elitist" attitudes. Basiclly, the more awsome u think u are, the more people u have to exclude from ur games. Its got to the point where people think they're so awsome there isn't anyone good enough to play with. Thus they don't play anymore. This has caused the population of "elitist" players to thin out to the point to where they are mostly gone.
That being the case I see a new era on the horizon. The teamers are more friendly. Noobs are getting better faster developing into regular civvers. The game will continue to grow and we'll all have a good time. That is till the "elitist" see all the fun people are having and return from there holes.
(being an "elitist" don't mean your good at civ. It means u got a stick up ur a$$. There are many great civ players who are by no means "elitist")
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Post by metallian on Jul 30, 2007 20:56:34 GMT -5
Just my opinion Knupp but I think your a little premature in calling BTS "broken". CS You actually think BTS is playable out of the box competitively CS?. I'll list my problems with it in another thread. CS please stop with the civ blinders man. BTS will actually hurt the multiplayer community more than help because it will continue to divide it. We will continue to have people playing Vanilla Civ and Warlords not BTS. There are a finite amount of MP civ players out there and all BTS did was divide them even more.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jul 30, 2007 21:41:13 GMT -5
I gotta say I think the civ world is getting better. I couldn't disagree more. Ya those guys in todays game were so nice BTS, i have hofz and chucky_norris both calling me stupid and slowed because I actualy know how to tech and play civ. My problem isn't with bts i think it's a great expansion but I'm done teamers period. I've had like 10 people today tell me I'm an not a very nice person and I'm slowed and I can't play civ etc. All I can say is come find me in a cton sometime you noobs. It's funny how the people who are good enough to actually beat me in ctons show me respect, it's only the jelous noobs who play 100% teamers that are always telling me I suck at life.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Jul 30, 2007 23:00:54 GMT -5
ah come on lp. there was no real probs. after u dissapeared, we got corve to sub. we almost won but me n corve both died. I got called a noob n all that too for dieing. in the end it was a close gg down to the wire. The bad attitudes will never go completely away, but i do think things been getting better.
(hofz managed to do 12 points of damage to my feelings)
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 30, 2007 23:35:34 GMT -5
Just my opinion Knupp but I think your a little premature in calling BTS "broken". CS You actually think BTS is playable out of the box competitively CS?. I'll list my problems with it in another thread. CS please stop with the civ blinders man. BTS will actually hurt the multiplayer community more than help because it will continue to divide it. We will continue to have people playing Vanilla Civ and Warlords not BTS. There are a finite amount of MP civ players out there and all BTS did was divide them even more. I was wondering were you went too Met. But yes to answer your questions it is playable copetitively out of the box. A problem with pings and spy's isn't the end of the world. It means there is just stuff that needs fixing in a patch, that's reality in the world of PC games. Do I wish there were more core changes to MP? Yes. But we didn't get them, and we have to live with what we have. And all in all the changes that were made for SP and also generally adding to the MP game even if they didn't design them too. I just had a 1v1 tournament run on Sunday and all the competitors had a great time. So I'll reserve my judgement on how "broken" BTS really is until after the ladder has played it for awhile, and I'll let them tell me. IMHO, the people that are complaining the most are those that just don't want to change or adjust there old strategies to the new reality. BTS is the evolution of civ, you have to evolve with it. CS
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Post by nicoya1 on Jul 30, 2007 23:53:44 GMT -5
i gotta say this exp it great. sure there problems but overall its a great game
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Post by Elledge on Jul 31, 2007 0:05:48 GMT -5
I gotta say I think the civ world is getting better. I never see the players that cause all the drama anymore. They musta went back into the holes they crawled out of. Its not that there are fewer and fewer people playing. Its just that maybe there are fewer and fewer people playing that have "elitist" attitudes. Basiclly, the more awsome u think u are, the more people u have to exclude from ur games. Its got to the point where people think they're so awsome there isn't anyone good enough to play with. Thus they don't play anymore. This has caused the population of "elitist" players to thin out to the point to where they are mostly gone. That being the case I see a new era on the horizon. The teamers are more friendly. Noobs are getting better faster developing into regular civvers. The game will continue to grow and we'll all have a good time. That is till the "elitist" see all the fun people are having and return from there holes. (being an "elitist" don't mean your good at civ. It means u got a stick up ur a$$. There are many great civ players who are by no means "elitist") So what you're saying is that the best players are leaving, and that's good for the shi [/b]tty players, since they aren't as bad in comparison? Boy, that sounds like a healthy ladder environment there.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 31, 2007 0:41:42 GMT -5
I gotta say I think the civ world is getting better. I never see the players that cause all the drama anymore. They musta went back into the holes they crawled out of. Its not that there are fewer and fewer people playing. Its just that maybe there are fewer and fewer people playing that have "elitist" attitudes. Basiclly, the more awsome u think u are, the more people u have to exclude from ur games. Its got to the point where people think they're so awsome there isn't anyone good enough to play with. Thus they don't play anymore. This has caused the population of "elitist" players to thin out to the point to where they are mostly gone. That being the case I see a new era on the horizon. The teamers are more friendly. Noobs are getting better faster developing into regular civvers. The game will continue to grow and we'll all have a good time. That is till the "elitist" see all the fun people are having and return from there holes. (being an "elitist" don't mean your good at civ. It means u got a stick up ur a$$. There are many great civ players who are by no means "elitist") So what you're saying is that the best players are leaving, and that's good for the shi [/b]tty players, since they aren't as bad in comparison? Boy, that sounds like a healthy ladder environment there.[/quote] What I read in that was that he was saying the attitudes are changing for the better, and that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. CS
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Post by SweViking on Jul 31, 2007 3:54:03 GMT -5
IMHO, the people that are complaining the most are those that just don't want to change or adjust there old strategies to the new reality. BTS is the evolution of civ, you have to evolve with it. Couldent agree with you more. Its always been like this and i guess it will always be like this. What i find most funny about civ is that you constantly need to adopt and evolve as a player to win games. But some players just complains about civ advantage, land advantage and other things. And now with BtS the complain its not playable before we have even got the chance to try it. Some words i recon from the changes to WL also. Like that catas couldent get collateral damage from other catas. Many toughts was that its gonna be unplayable and so on... Look what happend. Sure some changes in BtS might look scary to start with but im 100% we will find ways around this. After my first ladder teamer i was abit confused how to work around these new changes. But after playing like 5 now i starting to see almost only good changes in BtS.
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Post by cryptococcus on Jul 31, 2007 3:59:18 GMT -5
Bah, swe I didn't log in fast enough to agree first
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