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Post by Canucksoldier on May 15, 2007 20:18:24 GMT -5
This is a non-binding poll to judge the general feeling of people that play team games. Any actions taken by the Admin team as a result of this won't effect the issue of subs, I have no intention of trying to make rules for subs, they are IMHO best left in the realm of "common-law" as DrShot put it.
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Post by MMV on May 16, 2007 6:11:20 GMT -5
The "common law" was put into place because people could quit at their leisure with their only penance of reporting to the winning team if that team lost.
Without getting into the specifics if (BIG IF) someone on a "winning team" ever quit, the penalty is effective and does make people think twice - if it didn't, there wouldn't even be a forum conversation over this.
before the "common law" it was a VERY frequent pattern that seems to have been limited and is somewhat better now.
quitting ruins a game - whether it's because you are stuck with an AI if you can't find a sub, the time it takes to find a sub, or that the one quitting is on the current losing team and the only reason any sub would come into the game at all is because they don't have to report the imminent loss.
someone posted the "3-5 hour" game theory; planning on playing 3 but getting stuck in a 5 hour game unintentionally. It's civ, we all know this happens and is a fact of a game.
Quitting, as suggested in that scenario also ruins the game for the other players that suffer from those that believe in this kind of logic as they've invested the time as well.
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Post by toratoratora on May 16, 2007 6:15:37 GMT -5
I Think the Only way to minimise the need for even needing to get a Sub Is the report to all Rule that way Peeps might think twice about leaving a Teamer and not wasting hours of their team mates time due to having to scrap etc if sub cant be found This even Happens TEN turns into a game sometimes
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Post by tamijo on May 16, 2007 8:51:07 GMT -5
Yups The report all rule is fine; enough quitting & subbing as it is. But i think a winning sub should get reports, that would help get fast subs !.
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Post by lordelgis on May 16, 2007 13:51:21 GMT -5
tamijo the sub does get the reports if his team wins.
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Post by knupp on May 16, 2007 14:15:06 GMT -5
keep the system as it is now
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Post by cryptococcus on May 16, 2007 18:31:45 GMT -5
Not true elgis, as it stands now it is just courteous to report to the sub, but not required.
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Post by Canucksoldier on May 16, 2007 18:51:23 GMT -5
Not true elgis, as it stands now it is just courteous to report to the sub, but not required. Well that is a separate issue that I will discuss with the Admin/TD team. CS
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Post by redphoenix on May 17, 2007 15:57:55 GMT -5
I think a sub should get reports from opposing team always. Only way to have a chance to get subs really. Otherwise it would ruin team games if it's hard to get subs. Plus I think it's a very fair to deal with the situation and a modest compensation for the sub. This is a rule that HAS TO BE IN PLACE in my view. Otherwise it would as said, ruin a lot of the fun and make it a LOT harder to find subs.
As for leaving team games, I personally won't require people to report if they have a reason for leaving. As it should be imo. If no reason, then report to all.
Ofcourse report to winning team anyway, if your team lost.
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Post by deviousdevil on May 17, 2007 17:07:24 GMT -5
Subs should definitely be reported to if they are on the winning side, the main perk of taking over someone elses mess.
I agree with the penalty for leaving to be to report to all, simply as it became a certainty that people (and usually the same people) that would never finish a game they started.
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Post by grilla on May 17, 2007 19:25:36 GMT -5
ya, i dont play teams much, but i hate quitters in all games... this is one reason we have the ladder.
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Post by MookieNJ on May 26, 2007 0:17:30 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't want or need free reports just because someone had to leave. If someone is a chronic quitter, then punish him or her by not allowing them into your games. If they have the gumption to leave games all the time, giving out a few extra reports probably won't stop them.
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Post by longhorn on May 26, 2007 4:52:27 GMT -5
Absolutely requiring the QUITTER to report to all is a necessity. If you don't have the time to play a game then don't play. When people quit you cause all kinds of problems (like arguments over fair subs, OOS, and making all the players who did nothing wrong WAIT around) Well over half the time it completely imbalances the teams. And all this because you decided you'd rather go to the shopping mall with your girlfriend
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Post by cryptococcus on May 26, 2007 5:03:06 GMT -5
Longhorn's just jealous because he doesn't have a girlfriend
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Post by zzZhenon on May 26, 2007 16:34:57 GMT -5
If I find myself a sub or if I mysteriously vanish once in 50 games and you file a non-report on me, then you're going on my DNP list. It's as simple as that. I can play a game with my online buddies and not have to worry about crap like that... why would I play with you? Hooray for encouraging more elitism!
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Post by Canucksoldier on May 26, 2007 17:53:11 GMT -5
If I find myself a sub or if I mysteriously vanish once in 50 games and you file a non-report on me, then you're going on my DNP list. It's as simple as that. I can play a game with my online buddies and not have to worry about crap like that... why would I play with you? Hooray for encouraging more elitism! While the rule may have it's pro's and con's I fail to see how having it in place as a default rule, encourages elitism. Elitism is a problem as it is, but I think it's root causes have little to do with a rule that tries to encourage people not to quit team games. And so far, abet small in number, the poll seems to indicate that more people want this than not. CS
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Post by cryptococcus on May 26, 2007 19:39:26 GMT -5
WTF, is with this elitism nuts? I have yet to join a game where any person that is ladder does not get in these days. I remember when I was always told to go play cton noob. I HAVE YET TO SEE A GAME LATELY WHERE ANYONE CAN'T GET IN! SO EVERYONE STFU ABOUT ELITISM!
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Post by redphoenix on May 27, 2007 2:13:06 GMT -5
WTF, is with this elitism nuts? I have yet to join a game where any person that is ladder does not get in these days. I remember when I was always told to go play cton noob. I HAVE YET TO SEE A GAME LATELY WHERE ANYONE CAN'T GET IN! SO EVERYONE STFU ABOUT ELITISM! rofl
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Post by toratoratora on May 27, 2007 2:28:19 GMT -5
WTF, is with this elitism nuts? I have yet to join a game where any person that is ladder does not get in these days. I remember when I was always told to go play cton noob. I HAVE YET TO SEE A GAME LATELY WHERE ANYONE CAN'T GET IN! SO EVERYONE STFU ABOUT ELITISM! Sigh you Elitist Thug you
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Post by tamijo on May 27, 2007 12:55:44 GMT -5
Elitism, Socialism, Nekromatilifisism Anyway; we all know when someone leave in a game, for the right reason, and when not. There are a lot off diffrent situations, some are very annoying, like when a shuffle teamer is spoiled from start cos someone didnt like his team, or when an OCC is left early and taken over by AI. The rule is fine, especialy if it is used only in the "worst" cases.
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