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Post by tamijo on Mar 21, 2007 4:13:22 GMT -5
MGT wanted to tell us about something. Is you may guess i dont know what, cos it was censured.
I wonder why we need censur in a free democratic org. like the ladder, unless offcourse the contence off the post had criminal intentions, breaking a rule off some kind.
In that case why is MGT still in ladder.
Must be hard to run a contry with a free press, if we need censur to run a PC game ladder.
Sorry if this offends you CS, is not a personal attack, is more a principle thing in a world where we kill people to make them accept our democratic rules.
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Post by MMV on Mar 21, 2007 7:28:47 GMT -5
it wasn't "censored" it was moved to a special forum thread that only admins can read for review to see if what was posted was appropriate for where it was posted - according to the rules.
admin's stopped arbitrarily "deleting/censoring" posts a VERY long time ago and according to the existing rules, reserve the right to make these judgement calls pending further admin review.
it's not censorship, it's "administration" within the rules
oddly, there is an "off-topic" section that is basically without rules where anyone can post on any topic without fear of reprisal.
Bad choice by someone maybe, but not the admins.
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Post by whiplash on Mar 21, 2007 7:34:24 GMT -5
If the post is not restored is that not censorship?
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Post by MMV on Mar 21, 2007 7:38:12 GMT -5
Oh, it's only you (again) lol
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Post by tamijo on Mar 21, 2007 8:10:09 GMT -5
No No was me As we are not allowed to see the post, is hard to know what was in it. So it may be right to remove it, on the other hand, would have to be "heavy stuff" then, directly against the rules. So will prob. be bye bye MTG, se ya in 1/2 a year or so.
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Post by MMV on Mar 21, 2007 10:12:14 GMT -5
FOOL'S BET, lol!
He lost a bet with me in the lobby last night.
I bet him that "he couldn't beat me in a 1v1"
I wanted to bet $10.00 but he set the terms as $50.00 going to Levi's trophy fund.
After we agreed, I told hiim that "you can't beat me in a 1v1 because I will never ever ever play you" and consequently, he loses the bet.
I bet he doesn't pay up, ROFL!
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Post by mrgametheory on Mar 21, 2007 13:49:59 GMT -5
In response to MMV and Tamijo: Mostly I just skip over what MMV says and never reply to anything he posts for obvious reasons, but in order to make him a better person and create a ladder community more coexistent I will, this one time, break my rule. MMV you are 50 years old...... Grow up and use some common sense and social awareness.... This is why noone takes anything you say seriously... I am here trying to play a game and you bombard me with 100 messages begging to play me in a 1v1 for money.... As opposed to just ignoring you as usual I take it upon myself to actually acknowledge your existence for once, even in public! I say I would accept your challenge and you say that you will not play me 1v1 ever and by default I must pay you....... Now do to the fact I want to make you a better human being I will baby you through this... Lets assume the world was what you thought it was for a moment, and in your mind I am some how contractually obligated to some bet you made, all you said to the lobby was I bet you can't beat me in a 1v1 and wanted to make a bet, you than say by default you win because we will never play, but you left no general time line surrounding the bet thus it makes it so I don't have to pay you anything anytime, even in the godforsaken chance you actually beat me in a game 1v1. Due to an endless timeline associated with general parameters in a contract when a timeline isnt given, not to mention the fact that a contract is not legally binding when the sole intent of the contract is to misrepresent the general expectation of a party in a mutual compensation agreement thus preventing a party from receiving any positive compensation, I will never ever, ever ever ever, need to pay you anything... Normally I wouldn't even think of wasting 60 seconds of my life posting such a paragraph, not only because the whole situation is rediculous, but its frankly a waste of my time with very minimal personal gain, but I feel at your age you should of evolved past this childish approach to life or at least subliminally gained some social awareness. I felt like directing my community service for this week towards making you a better person..... Call it an investment in time. Me wasting 2 minutes to write this may make you think twice before doing something so ridiculous and in turn it will save you countless hours of trying to defend illogical arguments you start. This 2 minute investment may also save others countless hours of trying to explain common sense to you..... --------------------------------- Now Tamijo, in regards to your thread.... Life is complicated so I will explain to you what happened to the best of the abilities I am willing to put forward: Technically I did nothing wrong in my original thread that was edited. But the truth that was said would cause some significant structural damage to the general glorified perspective players have to wards a given group, even when it was only in reference to 1 person in that group. CS made a choice of the lesser of 2 evils, kind of like when the American Government turned America from capitalist nation into a socialist nation for a few years when an emergency as rediculous as a milk crisis occured in the early 1900s. Sometimes liberties of some must be taken in order for our ladder community to coexsist and I actually agree with him on this one, not because of what I said was wrong, but because he was able to guess that I posted what I did for the sole reason of being bored, which is infact 91% right on the dot in terms of intent. I find it so funny what he posted in reply to my thread that I accept the thread being taken down..... Hope that helps ;D
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Post by tamijo on Mar 21, 2007 14:15:13 GMT -5
Well if the poet is so sick off his own poetry that he submit to the burning off the damn thing himself. What can i say.
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Post by MMV on Mar 21, 2007 14:19:52 GMT -5
yada, yada, yada, mumbo-jumbo, lalalala, thisNthat, windwasinmyhair, sunwasinmyeyes, etc - et.al you "didn't beat me in a 1v1" you lose whazza'mattah? don't like it when someone acts like you with technicalitiesNstuff? pay-up fool, LOL!
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Post by Lestat on Mar 21, 2007 15:00:45 GMT -5
I will pay but plz SHUT UP
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Post by Tony on Mar 21, 2007 20:20:16 GMT -5
In response to MMV and Tamijo: Mostly I just skip over what MMV says and never reply to anything he posts for obvious reasons, but in order to make him a better person and create a ladder community more coexistent I will, this one time, break my rule. MMV you are 50 years old...... Grow up and use some common sense and social awareness.... This is why noone takes anything you say seriously... I am here trying to play a game and you bombard me with 100 messages begging to play me in a 1v1 for money.... As opposed to just ignoring you as usual I take it upon myself to actually acknowledge your existence for once, even in public! I say I would accept your challenge and you say that you will not play me 1v1 ever and by default I must pay you....... Now do to the fact I want to make you a better human being I will baby you through this... Lets assume the world was what you thought it was for a moment, and in your mind I am some how contractually obligated to some bet you made, all you said to the lobby was I bet you can't beat me in a 1v1 and wanted to make a bet, you than say by default you win because we will never play, but you left no general time line surrounding the bet thus it makes it so I don't have to pay you anything anytime, even in the godforsaken chance you actually beat me in a game 1v1. Due to an endless timeline associated with general parameters in a contract when a timeline isnt given, not to mention the fact that a contract is not legally binding when the sole intent of the contract is to misrepresent the general expectation of a party in a mutual compensation agreement thus preventing a party from receiving any positive compensation, I will never ever, ever ever ever, need to pay you anything... Normally I wouldn't even think of wasting 60 seconds of my life posting such a paragraph, not only because the whole situation is rediculous, but its frankly a waste of my time with very minimal personal gain, but I feel at your age you should of evolved past this childish approach to life or at least subliminally gained some social awareness. I felt like directing my community service for this week towards making you a better person..... Call it an investment in time. Me wasting 2 minutes to write this may make you think twice before doing something so ridiculous and in turn it will save you countless hours of trying to defend illogical arguments you start. This 2 minute investment may also save others countless hours of trying to explain common sense to you..... I couldnt have worded it better myself
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 22, 2007 0:16:07 GMT -5
Tamijo, this is not a democracy, by joining the ladder and these board you agree to abide by the rules we have put in place. And part of those policies is that the admin team reserves the right to moderate these boards for the greater good of this community. MrGT knows what he wrote and why I moved it. If he wants to appeal that decision to the HA he certainly is free to do so. But as he states himself it was a post made in boredom to know doubt create a little "flavour" for him. The only statement that I will make on the content is that it was a post on the subject of an admin action taken to rectify a situation for MrGT, the details of which are no one else's business which is why the post went away.
I don't generally moderate the forums with a sledge hammer but I still reserve the right to keep these forums from degenerating into a ffa. If that really bothers you Tamijo you are also free to not read these moderated forums. You will find that we don't operate these forums any differently that the moderators at CFC or 'poly, in fact we are likely more tolerant than they are.
CS
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Post by Necrominousss on Mar 22, 2007 0:50:33 GMT -5
I read it before it was "administration-ed" (nice term MMV). And I don't see what the big deal was.
I will para-phase what it said for those who missed it.
I am MrGameTheory, Greatest of the Greats, King Daddy of all I survey. FP sucks as an admin and seems to have a hardon for banning me from the forums. Good riddance to bad rubbish if he never returns.
I agree wholeheartedly with one of those statements. Can you figure which one?
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Post by arthursrodrigues on Mar 22, 2007 9:29:43 GMT -5
But Tamijo never asked for democracy, as I don't. What we ask for is freedom of speech and that's a secure right we have in any organisation (like here).
Any block of thread must have a proper explanation of why and the one who was blocked must have his right of defense. That's natural, loggical.
However, IMHO threads should never be blocked, only very specifical ones, when the offenses turned too violent.
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Post by cryptococcus on Mar 22, 2007 10:16:40 GMT -5
I want to know what HA (horse archers) and poly have to do with this canuck? BTW, Arthur is scheduled for hanging in Brazil on April 4 at 12:00 if anyone is interested in real censorship
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Post by arthursrodrigues on Mar 22, 2007 12:29:40 GMT -5
I'll be raped that day -_-
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 22, 2007 12:56:57 GMT -5
I want to know what HA (horse archers) and poly have to do with this canuck? BTW, Arthur is scheduled for hanging in Brazil on April 4 at 12:00 if anyone is interested in real censorship HA=Head Admin 'poly= Apolyton Civilization Site, the oldest Civ Fan site. Any more questions? CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 22, 2007 13:01:58 GMT -5
But Tamijo never asked for democracy, as I don't. What we ask for is freedom of speech and that's a secure right we have in any organisation (like here). Any block of thread must have a proper explanation of why and the one who was blocked must have his right of defense. That's natural, loggical. However, IMHO threads should never be blocked, only very specifical ones, when the offenses turned too violent. I'm afraid that you niether have complete freedom of speech here either. Nor do you have that in society in general, if you don't believe me try slandering someone in a public newspaper and see how much your "freedom of speech rights" get you in front of a judge. Our mandate here is to moderate these boards to keep the standards of ours and Proboards(terms of service) intact. Thereby having a forum that any civer of any age can come and visit. If that comes with a cost of limiting your freedom of speech then so be it. MrGT's post was a flame aimed at a specific person that satified nothing but his personal bordom. And that is not within the policies of this forum. CS
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Post by smatt834 on Mar 22, 2007 13:54:50 GMT -5
you only go in front of a judge if your slander is false. if your slander is true then you can't get in trouble. the website www.infowars.com which has a worldwide listernship in the 10 's of millions and claims our world leaders are murderers, satanists, and pedophile sickos. Yet they've been around for 10 years or so without going in front of judge for their 'slander'. so after my website plug all i can say is flaming should be allowed if it's true. but seeing how MGT has agreeably withdrawn his sentiments we should make this thread about shady civ bets.
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Post by mrgametheory on Mar 22, 2007 13:54:55 GMT -5
You say Flame
I say C4
You Say Aimed
I say Detonated
But whatever floats the boat...
;D
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