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Post by victor on Nov 1, 2005 20:04:39 GMT -5
So, does it work with built-in Intel Extreme Graphics 2 on GIGABYTE GA-8IG1000PRO-G Socket 478 Intel 865G ATX and P4 2.4/800 Mgz, 1024 mb or I have to buy a new video card? If yes, which one you would recommend?
Is it possible to test whether built-in video card will work without buying the game?
Victor
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Post by Death to ALL on Nov 1, 2005 22:17:44 GMT -5
Check this List, from what it say, I would say no it wont, but you can find another card on the list. I would suggest one of the NVidea cards myself.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 1, 2005 22:50:41 GMT -5
I'm partial to Radeons myself, and any 9800 or better runs Civ fine.
CS
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Post by whiplash on Nov 1, 2005 23:04:48 GMT -5
Sad! I find it really a disservice to customers to sell a game that requires one to toss their graphics card in the trash just so they can play the game and have the "cool" graphics, which does absolutely nothing to enhance game play.
Some see the graphics as "cool" but really it's much worse for game play than in c3c. After many hours of thingying around with DirectX9 and my drivers I can run the game ok; but the "cool" graphics makes game play much harder. It's impossible to quickly discern what units you are dealing with. Is that invasive unit a scout or a stack of swordsmen? One can't quickly tell the difference. In c3c I know the difference instantly and I waste no time in reacting. In CIV4 I just see a "blob" of something there and I have to left click on it to see what I'm dealing with. It's several steps backwards.
It seems that the developers emphasized the "cool" graphics which forces many of the civ fans to spend a lot of money on upgrades to get something that actually impedes game play. Maybe it's a great game with a well thought out scheme; but the graphic routines are an impediment. Some of it is quite childish. I don't see the need to waste 5 seconds to see a "zoom in" of the battle when units are in combat. Who cares for that? If anybody cares now, it will quickly get tired. Maybe there is a way to turn that off; but I doubt that the interface can give one a way to work around the basic problem:
The player cannot tell visually what he is dealing with in units and stacks, either his or his enemy's. The player needs to click on it and read the text to figure it out.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 2, 2005 0:30:22 GMT -5
Well whip, I'm not sure you are looking at the same game as me. I have little problem seeing units, the only problem I've ever had is some of the cultural border colour in jungle. But then I'm playing the game at full graphics settings too. I can understand you having difficulties seeing things on a subpar card as I have a Geforce2MX on one of my machines and while it "works" I wouldn't play CIV on it for very long, since it's so crappy.
As to forcing people to upgrade well, all that is really happening is people in Civland have had the lowest end systems in the gaming world and we are finally having to take the the plunge to *mid range* computing. You do not need a Quake4 machine to play CIV. I'm playing at the highest settings on a 2 year old machine with a Celeron 2.2 GHz with a Radeon 9800Pro and 768megs DDR ram, hardly a killer machine. I'm afraid that this is just the way the gaming market is, you might as well go complain about AoE3 or FEAR or any other 2005 game, it's a fact of life and most poeple only need a two year old $100 video card to play CIV....I don't think that's too much to ask.
CS
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Post by whiplash on Nov 2, 2005 8:02:01 GMT -5
My card is no older than 2 years. I have heard others report the difficulty in identifying units. I don't think it's my card as everything looks very nice, nothing is jagged and it scrolls smoothly and rapidly. Which brings up another problem. The player's civ is always in the center of the minimap. That doesn't help to identify your relative location in the world.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 2, 2005 8:16:59 GMT -5
That's not a problem, that's intended. You're not supposed to magically know as a caveman tribe exactly where you are in the world. Build Stonehenge or reseach the Calendar, and the minimap will "snap to" and show you where you are. Until then, you're in the dark.
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Post by victor on Nov 2, 2005 14:14:23 GMT -5
Sad! I find it really a disservice to customers to sell a game that requires one to toss their graphics card in the trash just so they can play the game and have the "cool" graphics, which does absolutely nothing to enhance game play. Heh.. Had not I known, whip, that you complain about everything whether you have a reson or not, I would have given up the idea to play this game after your comments But I would give it a try. As you guys can see I bought a comp not for playing games, for work mostly, but the only thing it lacks is video card. I guess, if I want to spent some time playing, I need it sooner or later. Anyway, I can borrow a card from a shop for 2 weeks, and return it if I do not like. Bad I can not return CIV ;D
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Post by Random on Nov 2, 2005 15:03:50 GMT -5
Maybe Space Invaders or some such will help with all your graphic problems. All this crap about having to upgrade.. Man what if you all took that approach to life. No I do not want a better job as it may give me more responsibility. No I will not drive my car as I think gas prices should be $.50 as it was when I was younger. Maybe I should not walk on the street anymore as there seems to be more traffic than I am accustomed to. The sorry point of all this is that change in everything in life is inevitable. As are upgrades to an aging computer. You do not just quit getting out of bed because it gets harder day to day, and you should not cripple your gaming experience because buying a $120 card is to much. I know most of you are here day to day and spend hours playing, and where else can you find this much entertainment for $120? come on all I thought we were here to be entertained and have a little fun, and doing so like everything in life has an inflation rate, so upgrade and join the party.
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Post by skidbladnir on Nov 2, 2005 15:17:12 GMT -5
errr...very bad analogy blu.. The lack of responsability here is not on the player's side, it's more on Firaxis if somewhere. Thing is I (we) dont see what 3D really brings to that game. nice 3D is cool in HL2, Farcry...but in civ..anyone here finds it usefull to zoom-in in a mp game ? there are very beautifull 2d games, or beautiful enough. Sure it's all very pretty but not usefull imo, more like something to appeal to the masses, and thats where it becomes regretable.
If at least the zoom-out was playable on smaller comps, fair enough, but its not, you cant see all the informations and the game still lags cos 3D still has to be handled by the comp.
we're not talking about an earthquake here, but about a companys decision to somehow sacrifice gameplay/readability to beauty. FPS gain from 3D improvements, civ doesnt
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Post by Lestat on Nov 2, 2005 15:34:23 GMT -5
My card is no older than 2 years. I have heard others report the difficulty in identifying units. I don't think it's my card as everything looks very nice, nothing is jagged and it scrolls smoothly and rapidly. Which brings up another problem. The player's civ is always in the center of the minimap. That doesn't help to identify your relative location in the world. As u see in CIV4 loby earth rotating. Ur location is from where is ur referential point. In real life my relative position is alway in centre and this is real 3D game with rotating globe. Forget 2D c3c map and fixed position on map because 4 turtles hold c3c world on their shoulder.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Nov 2, 2005 15:39:55 GMT -5
Problems with ATI cards should be resolved in next week's patch, or so I'm told...
I realize that the 3D and shading video card requirement seems unnecessary to some. However, other state of the art games use this sort of functionality so the game developers at Firaxis felt they had to keep up with the competition - that simple.
Personally, I've grown to really like the graphics. The zoom feature is great. When I go back and play C3C is seems amateurish compared to CIV4.
Best, SPM
PS: You can choose not to see the fully animated battle sequences by choosing QUICK COMBAT in the ADVANCED OPTIONS menu.
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Post by whiplash on Nov 2, 2005 15:58:04 GMT -5
4 turtles? Is that some kind of Transylvanian vampire folk tale? ;D
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Post by IanDC on Nov 2, 2005 17:00:57 GMT -5
I think he means 1 turtle & 4 elephants
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Post by whiplash on Nov 3, 2005 7:44:23 GMT -5
Oh, that explains it ;D
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Post by Sidhe on Nov 3, 2005 8:00:47 GMT -5
Good lord have we really learn't so little that we still think the earth is carried on the back of four elephants who in turn stand on a turtle! For something as heavy as the Earth there would need to be at least 8 Elephants or maybe 20 orangutans. Earth weighs 5x10^24 Kg. Do the math people!
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