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Post by MMV on Sept 15, 2006 13:59:31 GMT -5
With ninou's and brancius' demonstrated diplomacy skills on this thread, I'd think it wouldn't be their strong point in an FFA.
Thanks to both of them for reminding me how nice our ladder is and in fact, that we don't own the rights to elitism and personified arrogance.
(be sure to send us a card to let us know how the tournament went)
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 15, 2006 14:09:58 GMT -5
To a) We are virtually the biggest MP Competition Worldwide, I’ll tell you why: We have 6 Communities who join CCL with their best players: Germany www.the-battlefield.comFrance www.civfr.comPoland www.civland.comItaly www.forum.civilizationitalia.netRussia, Ukraine: www.civ.ru ; www.civfanatics.ruCroatia www.civilizacija.netOnly in the German Ladder, where I am the administrator we have over 300 registered Members and our ladder isn’t the biggest of those 6 Ladders. So you can’t be angry to me for saying WE ARE THE BIGGEST MP COMPETITION. Only because the Settings are not ok for everyone, we have in each ladder players who are also in Top10 who do not join this 2. CCL, the rules will be changed again in next CCL to reflect again all players. Ok, i see about 50 players in a german ladder right now. 26 of them are active. Holy nuts. We have more players deleted because of inactivity in a week than you have inactive players there. Russian ladder doesn't exist at all. 89 players in a french ladder (both active and inactive). No need to check others i guess. You see over 300 players where i see 26 active and you see a ladder that doesn't exist at all. Megalomania and delusions? ;D This conversation was forwarded to a few European forums and many players are really disappointed from what they read about you telling us being noobs and all other stuff. Ok then why don't they come and prove that we're wrong? Do they have a fighting spirit? I personally start to think that you dont like me because its a big problem for you, that we are based on many ladders, for you it seems to be poison, because your Guideline is “One Ladder, one Community”. Civilization is since Civ1 based on nations as well and that’s why CCL is so successful and that’s also why we think it’s the future of international MP Tournaments. It’s just Cult:) Nah, it's an admins guideline. I don't care about it at all. Clans are good and nice and I appreciate players who found Clans to play together in friendly way, but what is more valuable then to win for your Home-Country...? No, it isn't. I'm playing in the internet long enough so not to care about it. That's one of the good sides of internet - no matter who you are and where you come from, it's only important who you are himself. However, people new to internet do care about nationalities etc. Also, clans have another big advantage - you can find a clan that has about the same skill and playstyle. National communities are too big so to share a playstyle.
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Post by venceslas on Sept 15, 2006 14:17:20 GMT -5
"89 players in a french ladder (both active and inactive)." In a short way, 89 is the number of player which have played this month. The board display only the players which have played the four last week or something like that. We have several people who will play the CCL but they aren't displayed in the 89. I have no idea about the exact number of active players, it's pretty hard to say due to the fact that forum and ladder are very intricated in civfr. The only thing that I can say is that we have had four french clan in the last CCC and about 6 US clan. About this CCC, and especially for Horizon I will add that in every event where MUD has not won, a french clan has eliminated MUD (including the ironman in the spirit and excepting the cton maybe). My point is not to say that french ladder is better, like previously explained by Ellestar you have a larger pool of player and a larger base of the so-called elite player. Morevoer in the future, I have the feeling that our level will decrease(hope I'm wrong). My point is to say that some people will be felt like thinking too much of oneself by other communities. Time to stop this topic for me, it's too much US ladder vs other. I will happily play against you in ladder game or in CCC. And I'm going to try to beat Tommy next time I will play against him in 1v1, that's also the same thing for Churchill which has beaten me last time chris.
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Post by knupp on Sept 15, 2006 14:38:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately Venceclas you are right, there are some players who are jerks. But the larger population of the ladder, the more jerks there are. Nothing you can do. It's life. brancius I'd suggest that next time you advertise this competition a bit earlier. This way you can probably get more people interested. Secondly don't judge this entire ladder on the comments of a few. I'd agree this is the largest ladder and CCC is the top competition in Civ. But you can still continue to grow your competition and gl with it.
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Post by churchill1 on Sept 15, 2006 14:40:21 GMT -5
Unfortunately Venceclas you are right, there are some players who are jerks. But the larger population of the ladder, the more jerks there are. Nothing you can do. It's life. Ah. That's a good stoical observation. I often wanted to join civfr because I believed it would have no jerks at all. I am assured this isn't the case but that there are just less of them (because the ladder is smaller).
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Post by venceslas on Sept 15, 2006 14:43:07 GMT -5
"Brancius I'd suggest that next time you advertise this competition a bit earlier"
That's probably one of the reason for this mess, fully agree with you.
No ladder is perfect Churchill, sure we have some jerk.
chris.
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Post by Atomation on Sept 15, 2006 15:28:18 GMT -5
In reply to: I am in shock.. I personally didnt realize that there were that many Civ 4 newbies on this planet.... But I guess its true to life in a sense. Some people get the luck of the draw and find a ladder with the best players and have an oppurtunity to realize how much of a variance there skill is with the top of the food chain and atleast have a slim probablity of becoming better, and others have bad luck and join a worse ladder and never properly mature into the right stuff nor do they realize that being the top of such a ladder doesnt really mean anything, when compared to a real ladder community ;D I guess in the end it comes down to this, I now have a few more thousand players on this earth that think they are good and that I can humilate in a 5v1........ whaooooooooooooooo Can I have an autograph of this guy? So funny. Open your mind guy and you will see that MDR won 2 time the CCC, are really good players, comes and plays on french ladder... @chirchill: Sorry for the misunderstanding. Even if your french is not so good as you say, you will be welcomed on Civfr.com. Don't hesitate to post in english and you will see that we can make effort to speak also in english on our ladder. Ninou Ninou - When you win our ccc you just show that you can beat some teams of a few good players and mostly bad players. Our ladder has lots of bad players, it's true. During ccc time all our best players are divided up into different clans and many never even play in ccc at all or only 1 -2 events. Also, ccc is almost all ancient which is pretty much the worst platform to judge due to its extreme luck factor.
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Post by churchill1 on Sept 15, 2006 15:50:05 GMT -5
Saying that French ladder isn't as good as myleague ladder is a complete non-argument.
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Post by tommynt on Sept 15, 2006 20:51:07 GMT -5
some of these battlefield guys played me today 1-1 - all his cap was surounded by axe and impis in turn 30 - then he did quit (without reporting untill now)
i think the ironman b.. was quoting was the ironman germ started then asked me to sub - but situation was bit hopeless (to win - we might have got 2nd) but i had to play another event so we had no player left to fight a lost fight - i played it for like 15 turns
french ladder is in average as good (or slightly worse) as civ4players imo - some good, lot more bad players on both
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 16, 2006 1:38:53 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah....put your money where your mouth is. These guys basically put out a challenge. Put up or shut up.
Talking about players being bad players is one thing. Showing them is another. If you impress them enough, maybe they'll join to bone up on their skills.
There's nothing wrong with a little diversity.
And remember....our mortal enemy is the Single Player community.
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Post by MookieNJ on Sept 16, 2006 2:10:40 GMT -5
And remember....our mortal enemy is the Single Player community. Haha, it's funny because it's true!
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Post by brancius on Sept 16, 2006 11:56:42 GMT -5
Speaking as one of the most experienced mp civilization tournament directors, if I were to run an Epic mp tournament, I would do more than make a flashy page. I would advertise it in the lobby for several weeks prior to the event, in several languages, using a chat bot. I would post an informational thread in the Epic's section of this forum. I would also post something about it in the new non-ladder sanctioned events section. I might even consider asking one of the c4p ladder td's for some help. Problems I see with this tournament include: - Not giving enough lead time for arousing c4p ladder player participation.
- The specific settings are not clear.
- The tournament rules are not clear.
- The person apparently running the event is inexperienced, having run this event once previously.
- The participants may not be able to speak each others language. (how do you say "restart civ" in russian?)
Now what would I do to fix this? First I would delay the start of the event in order to properly advertise it. Second I would post threads in the epics and non-ladder sanctioned events sections detailing absoultely every game setting and tournament rule. Third, I would recruit someone that would be willing to edit your posts into "easier to read" English. Then I would spend two weeks advertising in the lobby and answering questions in the threads. Once that was done, I would probably be able to recruit roughly 10 to 20 c4p ladder players willing to compete. But now I would run into a problem. I would have to have a playoff to see who plays for the USA, so I would have to set up a special qualifer tournament to eliminate the 20 players down to 1 player. The qualifier alone would have to be two rounds, each being an epic. that would take roughly two to three weeks (or more) just for the qualifier for the USA team. There are six P's I am reminded of. Prior planning prevents piss poor performance. The CCL was announced much earlier in European forums then here. I was in straight contact to all the admins of those ladders and we set up also the Rules in a Live Meeting together. Every ladder got a specific setting which they play most in their league. For the italians as example it was important to play FFA's till a Vic Condition. like this every ladder sees a little of his own settings in this CCL.Like I mentioned before, to involve international players from more ladders then planned was a spontaneous idea. The international qualifications are now already full and tomorrow we know who are the 5 last qualified players. Who knows, maybe for next CCL we can work together and you can set up a lineup of C4P Players, Levi. The Rules and Settings are clear, tell me what is not clear for you yet..?
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Post by mrgametheory on Sept 16, 2006 14:38:57 GMT -5
Just be sure to put the names of the People who come in the top spots for the tournament...
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Post by Avogadro on Sept 16, 2006 17:18:42 GMT -5
Not very impressive ladderites Our distinguished guest brancius come forth with an invitation to join a large tournament. Some place where we may showcase our skills, demonstrate talent and friendliness in hopes to may-haps increase our numbers by attracting new members and what does he get? Insults, criticism and ridicule Must say I feel kinda ashamed at the moment.
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Post by MMV on Sept 16, 2006 17:41:26 GMT -5
it's probably just indigestion or gas - it will pass in a bit.
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Post by knupp on Sept 16, 2006 20:45:48 GMT -5
Like I said, this is only the comments of a few. Everytime you post seems like you generalize the ladder as a huge rank whoring jack*ss community Avo. Makes me kind of mad but hey, maybe I'm just reading into it too much. There are some of us who report, follow the rules, and are nice. Hopefully Brancius next tournament you can also work with our community to include some of the games we like, just like what you did for the other communities.
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Post by Necrominousss on Sept 16, 2006 23:07:44 GMT -5
They did seem to rough him up a bit just for giving us information we can either use or disregard.
I would enjoy some single player events(see cton)to join personally for i prefer to be responsible for myself only and also not have to here someone else's belly aching about my decisions. Any chance of having those in the future.
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Post by churchill1 on Sept 16, 2006 23:14:15 GMT -5
i presumed these were cton/ffa style events
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 17, 2006 0:17:40 GMT -5
Not very impressive ladderites Our distinguished guest brancius come forth with an invitation to join a large tournament. Some place where we may showcase our skills, demonstrate talent and friendliness in hopes to may-haps increase our numbers by attracting new members and what does he get? Insults, criticism and ridicule Must say I feel kinda ashamed at the moment. Time to change focus....who are you?
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Post by tommynt on Sept 17, 2006 8:29:48 GMT -5
Avo if these guys d be interested joining ladder they could just do, but they dont want to and offer joining their tournament instead - and after playing one em em i dont think that at least this 1 is good "ladder material" - quitting 1. game without reporting and some trash talk before
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