ninou
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The sexiest civer
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Post by ninou on Sept 14, 2006 17:26:22 GMT -5
So Cold as someone said. It's so true. I prefer not to explain exactly what I mean on some post I can read and prefer to go where the sun is shining. Luckily we can find over the world many other ladders, other communities with many different ways to play this game. This is not because some people are arrogance personified that we have to laugh. Ninou
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 14, 2006 19:16:04 GMT -5
Do they want respect or respekt?
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Post by venceslas on Sept 15, 2006 1:24:49 GMT -5
Well, I guess they would like just that some people don't be insulting.
I will give you an example of an respectable answer:
Sorry, these settings are not interresting for us. We have much more fun in game lasting 120 turns.
Seems kinda different from:
All players who aren't in this ladder are newbies, the best are here(ndt: there is physical impossibility to find another good player all over the world outside this league), take the three best of this tournament together and GT will kill them in 30 turns, so 50 turns is enough for this tournament.
That was I was heard by respect. Is it clearer?
chris.
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Post by tommynt on Sept 15, 2006 1:56:30 GMT -5
we do, and i won all 4 tiems i was playing it.
noob bashing wasnt meant as insult, sry for that - but skill differences are on ladder allready kinda huge - i dont see many players (there surly are some) being able to challenge me in 1-1 or epic settings. As I m 100% sure that best mp civer play on ladder (if there were good others out there they could just join for 1 game and prove thier skillz) and it s even hard to find challenging games gainst these guys i see no reason to play others.
negotiation was never part of civing for me, all i did negotiate with ai was pace and maybe a good deal if i needed - in fact doesnt the kinda lacking clevernes of ai allow much more.
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 15, 2006 2:20:19 GMT -5
No one said here that tommynt is not a good player or anything. If you read it maybe you would see that HE said there are only noobs out there in the World. He always says that, about our ladder players as well. So just ignore him. And, btw, after 2500 games on this settings what tommynt plays its not a wonder he wins after 30 turns, lol. That's exactly the point. Also, he played a lot with good players as well instead of just killing some noobs. Why are you guys attacking me here anyway, I've made a very huge work to make this tournament happening. I was in straight contact to all the admins of those ladders who participate, I had to use all my language and negotiating skills and I got from all the Ladders positive answers. Personally i don't like you because: (a) you said that your event is the biggest MP challenge that is simply not true (b) you said that our ladder rules don't reflect how the true Civilization is meant to be played, and that is also false (at the very least, all options are provided by the game so it clearly was made so to be played that way). (c) you think that it's ok to place our players in an international qualification with losers from other ladders. How nice! Especially considering that our players are stronger. Hey just try to enjoy the game more, its not the number of games, no its the deepness of playing. Like one of your members here said already; there are players who wish also to play full civ with victory conditions but he has to be almost scared here to say it, people would look at him and say: Hey what are you for stupid guy who plays 8 hours on this game? Well, i can say you exactly why players like tommynt don't want to play it. It will take 50-60-whatever hours or more wasted on a not that fun settings. And a result is unclear - your new league doesn't have any respect here. So, a possible victory or a good place in your league means almost nothing to them and it definately doesn't worth time spent (it's more fun just to play ladder games instead or maybe CCC). Even worse, our players will not be even seeded! Edit: lol, when i typed it tommynt already posted about the same Your problem is that you're new here without any credibility, and you started from attacking our league (on CivFanatics forum) that is oldest and biggest here, and it exists since Civ 3. Maybe you didn't want to do it, but you actually did. You know, Clan Championship Cup 35 sounds more respectable than Chapions League 2. Generally, newcomers (like your league) do try to gain good standings with others instead of insulting others. And btw, don't you have a competition called "Ironman" where players also play longer? Yes, we do. I mentioned it several times in my posts
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Post by holocanthe on Sept 15, 2006 2:26:17 GMT -5
we do, and i won all 4 tiems i was playing it. Memory, memory, 5 iron for you, 4 victories (bravo) and one last place (but first quit and without preventing).
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Post by churchill1 on Sept 15, 2006 4:03:49 GMT -5
Luckily we can find over the world many other ladders, other communities with many different ways to play this game. This is not because some people are arrogance personified that we have to laugh. Ninou I think you misunderstand me Ninou. I certainly don't like the attitude of a lot of people on this ladder. But I have to accept it. I'm fairly sure this is the most elite of ladders, not least because it includes people from other smaller ladders. Having said that I would love to be able to play in the other communities, especially civfr, but unfortunately ma francais, c'est mal.
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Post by tommynt on Sept 15, 2006 8:57:12 GMT -5
Memory, memory, 5 iron for you, 4 victories (bravo) and one last place (but first quit and without preventing).
dude maybe think before post crap i won every ironman i started playing - however i subbed into 2 others at late stages which my clan did not win - in fact there s not much u can do good/wrong after lets say feud when most buildup is done
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Post by brancius on Sept 15, 2006 9:11:48 GMT -5
No one said here that tommynt is not a good player or anything. If you read it maybe you would see that HE said there are only noobs out there in the World. He always says that, about our ladder players as well. So just ignore him. That's exactly the point. Also, he played a lot with good players as well instead of just killing some noobs. Personally i don't like you because: (a) you said that your event is the biggest MP challenge that is simply not true (b) you said that our ladder rules don't reflect how the true Civilization is meant to be played, and that is also false (at the very least, all options are provided by the game so it clearly was made so to be played that way). (c) you think that it's ok to place our players in an international qualification with losers from other ladders. How nice! Especially considering that our players are stronger. Well, i can say you exactly why players like tommynt don't want to play it. It will take 50-60-whatever hours or more wasted on a not that fun settings. And a result is unclear - your new league doesn't have any respect here. So, a possible victory or a good place in your league means almost nothing to them and it definately doesn't worth time spent (it's more fun just to play ladder games instead or maybe CCC). Even worse, our players will not be even seeded! Edit: lol, when i typed it tommynt already posted about the same Your problem is that you're new here without any credibility, and you started from attacking our league (on CivFanatics forum) that is oldest and biggest here, and it exists since Civ 3. Maybe you didn't want to do it, but you actually did. You know, Clan Championship Cup 35 sounds more respectable than Chapions League 2. Generally, newcomers (like your league) do try to gain good standings with others instead of insulting others. And btw, don't you have a competition called "Ironman" where players also play longer? Yes, we do. I mentioned it several times in my posts To a) We are virtually the biggest MP Competition Worldwide, I’ll tell you why: We have 6 Communities who join CCL with their best players: Germany www.the-battlefield.comFrance www.civfr.comPoland www.civland.comItaly www.forum.civilizationitalia.netRussia, Ukraine: www.civ.ru ; www.civfanatics.ruCroatia www.civilizacija.netOnly in the German Ladder, where I am the administrator we have over 300 registered Members and our ladder isn’t the biggest of those 6 Ladders. So you can’t be angry to me for saying WE ARE THE BIGGEST MP COMPETITION. Only because the Settings are not ok for everyone, we have in each ladder players who are also in Top10 who do not join this 2. CCL, the rules will be changed again in next CCL to reflect again all players. For next CCL we will maybe als include the brazilian Community and Japanese Civ Community. CCL is growing. To b) When I wrote this, I did not know your ladder really and I wrote already that CanuckSoldier told me about “Ironman” etc. and I took some words back. And btw, what came back from people about our players was much more evil and devastating. To c) When we made the 2.CCL no one was thinking about making an international qualification, it was a spontaneous Idea to involve players around the World. To make the roster big enough we decided that players which failed in their national qualifications can go also to international qualifications to get there a second chance. This conversation was forwarded to a few European forums and many players are really disappointed from what they read about you telling us being noobs and all other stuff. The german ladder works close together with our german Civ Forum(www.civforum.de) which was founded many years ago in Civ2 times and we have a long history and we like playing Civ4 for years and therefore we also made this great tournament to compete with our European Neighbours in a friendly way. No one of us wants to leave his own Community, we like to speak our language during MP Games and we like to write in our forums about what happened in the CCL Games against the other countries. That’s why we made a tournament which is based on nations without losing the specialities of every country. For everyone who still doesn’t understand the Modus of CCL, it’s similar with European Football Champions League: Its based on every country having their national league, the best ones qualify for Champions League, the Winner of the Champions League is therefore the European Champion in Football, our cIV Champions League has the same system. I personally start to think that you dont like me because its a big problem for you, that we are based on many ladders, for you it seems to be poison, because your Guideline is “One Ladder, one Community”. Civilization is since Civ1 based on nations as well and that’s why CCL is so successful and that’s also why we think it’s the future of international MP Tournaments. It’s just Cult:) Clans are good and nice and I appreciate players who found Clans to play together in friendly way, but what is more valuable then to win for your Home-Country...? tommynt: Habe gar nicht gewusst dass Du deutscher bist. Mir tut die ganze Unterhaltung hier echt nicht gut und ich hoffe Du bist hier gut aufgehoben. Polydeukes hat auch schon wegen einer Teilnahme für Deutschland angefragt, ich hoffe wir können diesmal einen besseren Platz für uns einholen. Das mit den Noobs hab ich Dir verzeiht:) Ich wollte ehrlich nur das Teilnehmerfeld erweitern aber solch ein negatives Feedback hätte ich in meinen schlimmsten Träumen nicht erwartet.
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Post by holocanthe on Sept 15, 2006 9:31:24 GMT -5
Memory, memory, 5 iron for you, 4 victories (bravo) and one last place (but first quit and without preventing). dude maybe think before post crap i won every ironman i started playing - however i subbed into 2 others at late stages which my clan did not win - in fact there s not much u can do good/wrong after lets say feud when most buildup is done Really, you have memories problems ;D CanuckSoldier post, April 22, 2006, CCC 29 : Ironman Results are as follows: CIC Aways2000 3510 8 points LKT Eiffel 1952 5 points VVV Sidhe 1848 3 points MDR Matth 1610 1 point illum Iporiginal 1490 KC Swissy 1357 FUN Mach 1117 ..A.. Kazache killed CIP Churchhill quit 3rd RaY Rokkit quit 2nd MUD Tommynt quit 1st These are the original players and are the ones to report and to report too. Please treat this as a standard ladder cton, using the normal ladder report process. Since this was a paper tournament not using the Cases Software. Thanks everyone for your hardwork and patience. CS
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Post by Levi on Sept 15, 2006 9:49:49 GMT -5
Speaking as one of the most experienced mp civilization tournament directors, if I were to run an Epic mp tournament, I would do more than make a flashy page. I would advertise it in the lobby for several weeks prior to the event, in several languages, using a chat bot. I would post an informational thread in the Epic's section of this forum. I would also post something about it in the new non-ladder sanctioned events section. I might even consider asking one of the c4p ladder td's for some help. Problems I see with this tournament include: - Not giving enough lead time for arousing c4p ladder player participation.
- The specific settings are not clear.
- The tournament rules are not clear.
- The person apparently running the event is inexperienced, having run this event once previously.
- The participants may not be able to speak each others language. (how do you say "restart civ" in russian?)
Now what would I do to fix this? First I would delay the start of the event in order to properly advertise it. Second I would post threads in the epics and non-ladder sanctioned events sections detailing absoultely every game setting and tournament rule. Third, I would recruit someone that would be willing to edit your posts into "easier to read" English. Then I would spend two weeks advertising in the lobby and answering questions in the threads. Once that was done, I would probably be able to recruit roughly 10 to 20 c4p ladder players willing to compete. But now I would run into a problem. I would have to have a playoff to see who plays for the USA, so I would have to set up a special qualifer tournament to eliminate the 20 players down to 1 player. The qualifier alone would have to be two rounds, each being an epic. that would take roughly two to three weeks (or more) just for the qualifier for the USA team. There are six P's I am reminded of. Prior planning prevents piss poor performance.
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Post by mrgametheory on Sept 15, 2006 11:25:22 GMT -5
In reply to: a) We are virtually the biggest MP Competition Worldwide, I’ll tell you why: We have 6 Communities who join CCL with their best players: Germany www.the-battlefield.comFrance www.civfr.comPoland www.civland.comItaly www.forum.civilizationitalia.netRussia, Ukraine: www.civ.ru ; www.civfanatics.ruCroatia www.civilizacija.netI am in shock.. I personally didnt realize that there were that many Civ 4 newbies on this planet.... But I guess its true to life in a sense. Some people get the luck of the draw and find a ladder with the best players and have an oppurtunity to realize how much of a variance there skill is with the top of the food chain and atleast have a slim probablity of becoming better, and others have bad luck and join a worse ladder and never properly mature into the right stuff nor do they realize that being the top of such a ladder doesnt really mean anything, when compared to a real ladder community ;D I guess in the end it comes down to this, I now have a few more thousand players on this earth that think they are good and that I can humilate in a 5v1........
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ninou
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The sexiest civer
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Post by ninou on Sept 15, 2006 11:54:11 GMT -5
In reply to: I am in shock.. I personally didnt realize that there were that many Civ 4 newbies on this planet.... But I guess its true to life in a sense. Some people get the luck of the draw and find a ladder with the best players and have an oppurtunity to realize how much of a variance there skill is with the top of the food chain and atleast have a slim probablity of becoming better, and others have bad luck and join a worse ladder and never properly mature into the right stuff nor do they realize that being the top of such a ladder doesnt really mean anything, when compared to a real ladder community ;D I guess in the end it comes down to this, I now have a few more thousand players on this earth that think they are good and that I can humilate in a 5v1........ whaooooooooooooooo Can I have an autograph of this guy? So funny. Open your mind guy and you will see that MDR won 2 time the CCC, are really good players, comes and plays on french ladder... @chirchill: Sorry for the misunderstanding. Even if your french is not so good as you say, you will be welcomed on Civfr.com. Don't hesitate to post in english and you will see that we can make effort to speak also in english on our ladder. Ninou
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 15, 2006 12:26:49 GMT -5
Really, you have memories problems ;D If i recall correctly, he was listed for Ironman but he played a teamer instead. In the news, you see who's registered, not who is actually playing.
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Post by churchill1 on Sept 15, 2006 12:48:29 GMT -5
Well I played that Ironman. And I think that Tommy started and germania subbed in for him but I really can't be sure if it was the other way round. Of course Tommy is very good, but like anyone else (and I'm sure I've seen him say this himself) he is also very beatable. Anyways Aways was a very very good player, it's a shame he isn't around no more. Also Matth is a great player and it is ridiculous to state otherwise. As for the French ladder: it is clear that there are several top quality players there, but most of them feature on our ladder on occasion and all of them feature in the CCC. So I would say it is fair to consider our ladder by far the best there is. That's not arrogant, that's just true. What is arrogant is MrGT. Let's just leave him to babble about his 76v1 matches in the corner. In fact I think he made his own thread for this purpose so perhaps he could find his way back there.
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 15, 2006 13:01:47 GMT -5
whaooooooooooooooo Can I have an autograph of this guy? So funny. Hehe yes Gametheory is a funny guy. But he can actually win some of his claims. That makes his posts even more funny because you can't just ignore it like a complete bullsh it and sometimes you wonder if he's serious this time? ;D Example: civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=let&thread=1152250917civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=let&thread=1151910969Open your mind guy and you will see that MDR won 2 time the CCC, are really good players, comes and plays on french ladder... Yes, you have some really good players but still you have significantly less good players than C4Players ladder (not counting members of french ladder who are also in C4Players). Also, your players actually practice in our ladder as well (including some of your best players). So, there is a big difference here, you're not completely separated from our ladder like their ladders. And that's why your player won a tournament - you have more experience than players of their ladder because you're playing with a bigger playerbase of a good players. Check any competitive game and you'll see the same - in a small closed communities average and highest player skill is always lower.
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Post by ironclad on Sept 15, 2006 13:08:57 GMT -5
i always see average players playing ironman besides Tommy and maybe like 1,2 others idk why
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Post by venceslas on Sept 15, 2006 13:21:16 GMT -5
"Check any competitive game and you'll see the same - in a small closed communities average and highest player skill is always lower"
As a general rule I agree, but it doesn't allow to say what I have read.
You are the biggest multiplayer community, but strangely enough, you are in complete ignorance from the other communities. You have the feeling that you are the best(which true in a way), but in my opinion it's not a reason to reject the others like you do, you will not attract others players and you lose an opportunity to know others communities.
chris.
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 15, 2006 13:42:35 GMT -5
You are the biggest multiplayer community, but strangely enough, you are in complete ignorance from the other communities. You have the feeling that you are best(which true in a way), but in my opinion it's not a reason to reject the others like you do, you will not attract others players and you lose an opportunity to know others communities. At the very least, i don't know other languages. And russian ladder "Russia, Ukraine: www.civ.ru ; www.civfanatics.ru" doesn't exists at all contrary to what Brancius is saying here. I think it should be the other way - other players (who speak english) should play in an international community. You can't expect that everyone will learn German or French just to play in a Civ 4 league (especially when there is an international one). Besides, generally you'll not find a USA or UK community, it will be an international one instead. However, there is a need in other local ladders because some players don't know english. It's the same in other games as well (and there is no surprise here, Civ 4 isn't a first online multiplayer game, same things do happen again and again).
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Post by horizon on Sept 15, 2006 13:42:58 GMT -5
Simple fact myleague has elite players at CIV, its not only diplomacy or knowing how to build army in 100 turns, but these players know how to adapt to any sceanario, you can read Civfanatics and learn how to save a few hammers per turn but AI will never be the same as a human, i hear all the bashing the ladder gets, but usually its from people that are stuck in their ways, you want to prove your a respected CIV player then join this ladder otherwise keep the smack to a minimum
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