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Post by MMV on Sept 7, 2006 20:00:51 GMT -5
Ohio State, eh? Know a teacher named Tayse?
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Post by notagoodname on Sept 7, 2006 23:35:04 GMT -5
cats (in this game) should be like machinegunners - must be made in a city and can only defend. I sort of like that idea but it could be refined. Simply make cats a deployable unit that remains stationary forever after being deployed. They could still bombard stacks and do collateral damage and would still be usefull in stopping a stack of death marching upto your cities but it'd stop them from being the ultimate trump card they are atm.
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Post by rupman on Sept 8, 2006 9:14:32 GMT -5
Dey the problem with propaganda is it is BS. If you can't tell I don't like propaganda probably because I don't like being lied to. I don't really care what the end result is.
I dislike some professors but I also had some really great ones and Rosestein knows his $hit and is a pretty cool guy otherwise.
Um MMV armies take seige weapons with them all the time. Cats, battering rams and seige towers. The only thing is they are usually in pieces while in transport and are built on site for the actual seige.
What seems to be the main problem here and it is rather ironic is that these "Seige" weapons are being used on a regular basis in open field combat. I believe someone already mentioned that any dumbass can simply step out of the way of a huge flying rock when you're in the open field. You can't always do that in a seige because alot more units are packed into a tight area and of course walls can't get up and walk away.
Nope, never heard of him. Of course at OSU that is pretty common. I love it when people ask me did you know so 'n so at Ohio State. Yes of course I know them, I walk by all of the 50,000 students and profs every day and we say hi and BS for 5 minutes. OSU is like it's own little city inside Columbus. It's huge.
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Post by Lestat on Sept 8, 2006 10:29:49 GMT -5
I love first strike+2 colaterall damage on artiliery to kick moder armors down when i dont have resources for modern armors.
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Post by MMV on Sept 8, 2006 17:16:28 GMT -5
Um MMV armies take seige weapons with them all the time. Cats, battering rams and seige towers. The only thing is they are usually in pieces while in transport and are built on site for the actual seige troops didn't "take cats" out with them in the battle-field - they build them their with local timber and ropes they brought with themUm, that's what I said. Well - mostly, but it's the same that you said (later) than me.
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Post by MMV on Sept 8, 2006 17:23:20 GMT -5
Ohio State, eh? Know a teacher named Tayse?Nope, never heard of him. Of course at OSU that is pretty common. I love it when people ask me did you know so 'n so at Ohio State. Yes of course I know them, I walk by all of the 50,000 students and profs every day and we say hi and BS for 5 minutes. OSU is like it's own little city inside Columbus. It's huge You Just should have said no - much easier I only asked because he said there were only two anal-retentive "dumbasses" there and I was curious if you knew the other one, LOL! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by coloneltreize on Sept 10, 2006 0:05:59 GMT -5
What's wrong with propaganda? It inspires and motivates, maybe not for the right reasons, but it works sometimes. Again, argument from authority. If you haven't figured it out yet, I really dislike professors and school. It's probably best if you just cut and paste an old paper on the subject. If I hadn't of lost my flash drive, I would do it, though on another civilization. All I know is, whoever found my flash drive could take the whole series of Korean history classes at the UW and get an easy 45 credits of 4.0s..... I just consulted my college book from my class, called Introduction to Logic Tenth Edition by Irving M. Copi and Carl Cohen. Propaganda is the most obvious example of The Appeal to Emotion or Ad Populum. Literally translated, it means, "to the people." From the book the author states, "The appeal to emotion is the device of every propagandist and demagoge. It is fallacious because it replaces the laborious task of presenting evidence and rational argument with expressive language and other devices calculated to excite enthusiasm, excitement, anger or, hate." If propaganda works at all, it does so in spite of being logical, not because of it. The Argument from Authority is actually called The Appeal to Inappropriate Authority, or Ad Verecundiam. It's a common misconception. Again, the authors maintain, "When we argue that a given conclusion is correct on the ground that an expert authority has come to that judgment, we commit no fallacy." It is not conclusive proof, but as humans we must rely on knowledge of this kind every day. "The fallacy arises when the appeal is made to parties having no legitimate claim to authority in the matter at hand...The argument ad verecundiam is an appeal to one who has no claim greater than our own to judge the truth of a statement." Of course, disbelieving a professor because you don't like professors is a perfect example of Ad Hominem, circumstantial. Ad Hominem, for those who don't know, means "against the person." It is fallacious becasue it,"...obliges an opponent to accept (or reject) some conclusion merely because of that person's employment, or nationality, or polical affiliation, or other circumstances." So sayeth The High Holy Pope of the Ladder and resident anal-retentive dumbass.
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Post by deviousdevil on Sept 10, 2006 9:06:25 GMT -5
I love first strike+2 colaterall damage on artiliery to kick moder armors down when i dont have resources for modern armors. Since when did you start upgrading your artillery with collateral damage. But, at least it was a post relevant to the topic (which there has been little or none of since my last post).
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 10, 2006 11:43:34 GMT -5
Argument from AuthorityAd HominemMe, being a professional student, makes me a professional on the matter of professors with their heads stuck up their asses. Especially the ones that are in the "top" of their fields. Pursuing degress in Russian, then Korean I could not avoid professors who were in the "top" of their fields. I'm not sure how the U of Washington got these guys, but for some reason it doesn't seem like Russian/Korean studies are very popular nationwide. Now granted, these professors have alot of knowledge that blow me away, but then they really don't have much to back things up with. It's almost as if the entire field of history in higher education depends upon someone else's writing all the way back to the point where one becomes an expert due to being one of very few people who can read some ancient text. So yes, professors can eat my ass until I can read that same text for myself. That's what they claim to be instilling into us. So yes, I will take a professor's comments/claims and take notice, but I won't accept them wholeheartedly. Booyakasha.
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Post by coloneltreize on Sept 10, 2006 19:17:07 GMT -5
Hmmm... My book doesn't mention the third type of Ad Hominem. Evidently, the person who made both Wikipedia entries is very well-read and thorough. The book I used in my class does mention, however, that there are more fallacies than the ones mentioned in the book. You are indeed an expert on the attitude problem of professors in the institutions in which you attended. As for the subject of Roman history, no one alive is an expert, unless someone alive today has lived in ancient Rome. For example, in 500 years, history may regard the current Iraq War as a popular war compared to the Vietnam War or a war in the future hence. They'll cite the fact that no one in the US led massive protests against the Iraq war, ignoring the fact that the only reason why there are no massive protests is that there was no draft for this war. American citizens protested against the Vietnam war mainly because they were conscipted to fight in it. There may have been some true idealists at the time, but people always act in direct, self-interest anway, IMO. History professors with their heads firmly up their asses may claim that President Bush and his administration acted on the best available information for the right reasons and have textbooks to "prove" it. Wouldn't that be a gas if we were alive to witness such a thing? History is indeed written by the victors of war. However, arguments from the correct authority, while not conclusive, are necessary in our daily lives. For example, inductive reasoning is by no means a conclusive way to arrive at a conclusion. However, we can and must use inductive reasoning every day, in order to make the most basic descisions. Thx for the references. I'll look at Wikipedia's other fallacies as well, to look at some fallacies I never learned in my textbook. I apologize for going wayyyyyy off topic in my examples.
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Post by MMV on Sept 10, 2006 21:54:53 GMT -5
Friedrich Nietzsche often stated that "God is dead"
Later, God stated that, "Friedrich Nietzsche is dead" (there were no further arguments from Nietzsche on the subject)
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 11, 2006 13:39:58 GMT -5
For example, in 500 years, history may regard the current Iraq War as a popular war compared to the Vietnam War or a war in the future hence. They'll cite the fact that no one in the US led massive protests against the Iraq war, ignoring the fact that the only reason why there are no massive protests is that there was no draft for this war. American citizens protested against the Vietnam war mainly because they were conscipted to fight in it. There may have been some true idealists at the time, but people always act in direct, self-interest anway, IMO. History professors with their heads firmly up their asses may claim that President Bush and his administration acted on the best available information for the right reasons and have textbooks to "prove" it. Wouldn't that be a gas if we were alive to witness such a thing? History is indeed written by the victors of war. Bush can eat my ass on the whole Iraq ordeal. I remember when I had just gotten back from Afghanistan in April 2002...I was told to not unpack my gear, because our team was going to be immediately redeployed to Iraq. I was fuming f**king mad. I had planned on going to the 2002 World Cup in Korea/Japan, it was in the works for 4 years. Turns out the whole thing got delayed for 10 months as they were coming up with excuses for why we should go. Based on information my ass. They just wanted to go. My ass refused to go in April 2002 and I made sure that I didn't get stop-lossed to go in Feb 2003. Beat the cut off date by 2 weeks. That rat bastard, all of them. They can just eat my ass. Big waste of tax payer dollars, lives, and time. So close to getting UBL, yet so far.
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Post by rupman on Sept 11, 2006 13:48:35 GMT -5
Haha, nice one.
I think this thread can die now too.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 11, 2006 15:15:19 GMT -5
For example, in 500 years, history may regard the current Iraq War as a popular war compared to the Vietnam War or a war in the future hence. They'll cite the fact that no one in the US led massive protests against the Iraq war, ignoring the fact that the only reason why there are no massive protests is that there was no draft for this war. American citizens protested against the Vietnam war mainly because they were conscipted to fight in it. There may have been some true idealists at the time, but people always act in direct, self-interest anway, IMO. History professors with their heads firmly up their asses may claim that President Bush and his administration acted on the best available information for the right reasons and have textbooks to "prove" it. Wouldn't that be a gas if we were alive to witness such a thing? History is indeed written by the victors of war. Bush can eat my ass on the whole Iraq ordeal. I remember when I had just gotten back from Afghanistan in April 2002...I was told to not unpack my gear, because our team was going to be immediately redeployed to Iraq. I was fuming f**king mad. I had planned on going to the 2002 World Cup in Korea/Japan, it was in the works for 4 years. Turns out the whole thing got delayed for 10 months as they were coming up with excuses for why we should go. Based on information my ass. They just wanted to go. My ass refused to go in April 2002 and I made sure that I didn't get stop-lossed to go in Feb 2003. Beat the cut off date by 2 weeks. That rat bastard, all of them. They can just eat my ass. Big waste of tax payer dollars, lives, and time. So close to getting UBL, yet so far. Too right I agree with Dei 100% same for us poor Brits too
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Post by coloneltreize on Sept 11, 2006 21:28:18 GMT -5
I also agree 100% with Deyreepher and Bantams. I hope no one thought I said anything different. It bothers me that there isn't more public protests against this war in the US or the UK.
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Post by rupman on Sept 12, 2006 9:17:50 GMT -5
It's because there is no draft. If people started getting picked off the street to go then there would be riots.
For the record I think calling up the National Guard for active service in a foreign land is a complete misuse of them.
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Post by MMV on Sept 12, 2006 10:50:05 GMT -5
American reservists and national guard have suffered more than 1/2 of the american injuries during the past years in Iraq
Yet, these same reservists and national guard units only make up less than 20% of the US forces there
The reservists and national guard were meant to be called up for "support roles" in times of conflict - not as front-line troops.
Regrettably, this "catastrophe and debacle" will never be looked in to, investigated or anything else.
To me, this is tantamount to war-crimes against the military leaders (not the politicians) who are responsible for the guard and reservists and turning them into cannon-fodder.
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 12, 2006 12:55:43 GMT -5
Once the NG has been "federalized," they become Regular Army, though there are restrictions on how long they can be used as such. The paperwork for that to happen occured during the first year or two after the 9/11 attacks.
I remember coming back from Afghanistan and my auto mechanic was telling me how National Guard units were being called up for guard duty at Ft. Bragg for two years. I just could not imagine the frustration those guys had to have felt to do some tedious ass nuts like that. I mean, my team felt pretty angry at what was going on by Jan 2002, once we realized the top leadership wasn't giving it all they had to find the figurehead behind the whole damn mess. To have your life disrupted to watch f**king roads in the US for two years. I'd shoot somebody.
It got to the point where it became a joke, the guys were armed with M-16s and shotguns, but not given ammo. We'd have guys gun the checkpoints into base on a regular basis for fun. It got to the point where the base commander had to put out a memo that yes, the guards do not have ammo, so please don't gun the checkpoints. Blah....To think, I wanted to be in the military for 20-30 years at one point. So ends a family tradition of military service. 88 years of service in just 2 generations in my family. It just seems like a cruel joke to me.
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Post by SweViking on Sept 13, 2006 8:00:32 GMT -5
Maybe leave roman empire, USA and afganistan and start discuss first strike and catas here again? ;D i just played a game where i tested the odds of some stacked catas and axemen. I attacked a city with 5 archers. First i bombard to 0% citydefence. Checked axe odds to kill 1 arch. was about 30% After i attacked with 1 (!) cata with 1x collateral damage promotion the attacking odds for axemen went from 30% to 64% !! I hit with cata number 2, then the odds went from odds 64% to 80+.... So unreal overpowerd unit.. As i said before, the catapults primare object was to stike hole in city walls and/or castles. So ground units could move in to city. The catapults thats was in the city and shooting out of the city had the objective to make it harder for the attacking ground units to do there job, And maybe if they were lucky hit and stike down a assembled attacking catapult or siege tower. So please.. decrease this unit its power to next patch.
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 13, 2006 11:12:33 GMT -5
No. No more defensive units damnit. More offense baby.
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