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Post by Levi on Aug 21, 2006 19:40:27 GMT -5
I'm not German, but as a Jew, I'm offended by the suggestion that we should be branding people in certain groups with markers of their race. Gogf, I have been called Jew simply because I shortened my name from Leviathan to Levi. I am not Jewish but I am also anything but an anti-semite. I have been seen in the lobby regularly asking people to keep their anti Jewish comments to themselves. I consider you a friend and never meant to offend you, or anyone else. Often times I strive for shock value in the lobby and suggesting Germans should be branded with the "L" stirs powerful emotions. I took advantage of that to try to be funny. Perhaps the wounds of WWII are still to sensitive to make light of and for that, we are all responsible.
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Post by Bantams on Aug 22, 2006 1:59:34 GMT -5
just 1 thing to say whats a "L" got to do with the German Nation? perhaps tommy or germania or even AOE can explain as im completely lost on this one
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 22, 2006 3:30:23 GMT -5
He's referring to the fact that Germany ultimately lost WWII.
Levi wrote:
That's an understatement. What exactly was your goal with those harmful words? Because I just don't find the humor in it. My second question is: why are we all responsible for the wounds of WWII? Surely, the Jews were innocent, and I doubt any Ladderites even participated in it. It sounds like you are trying to spread the blame around to make yourself less guilty. Maybe you shouldn't strive for shock value and just stick to helping people.
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Post by tamijo on Aug 22, 2006 5:36:43 GMT -5
Just be nice to each other, enough "non" ladder kids spamming evil stuff, no need for any off us to do the same
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Post by [KC]NeutralParty on Aug 22, 2006 9:42:19 GMT -5
He's referring to the fact that Germany ultimately lost WWII. Levi wrote: That's an understatement. What exactly was your goal with those harmful words? Because I just don't find the humor in it. My second question is: why are we all responsible for the wounds of WWII? Surely, the Jews were innocent, and I doubt any Ladderites even participated in it. It sounds like you are trying to spread the blame around to make yourself less guilty. Maybe you shouldn't strive for shock value and just stick to helping people. Unbelievable. Colonel, because of you, I am not going to read these forums anymore. You always butt in with your ignorant 2 cents. Adios.
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Post by whiplash on Aug 22, 2006 10:16:57 GMT -5
He hardly seems neutral. ;D
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 22, 2006 11:51:06 GMT -5
Thx, tamijo and whiplash. So, let me get this straight, NP. You are not offended by players making hurtful statments, but you are offended by me and only me for saying that it is wrong to say things that make the Ladder look bad? Would you find my comments less presumptious if I were an Admin? ;D Yeah, I'm confused too. Why is your name called Neutral Party?
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Post by whiplash on Aug 22, 2006 12:06:48 GMT -5
My post was in reference to Neutral Party, not Colonel.
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Post by knupp on Aug 22, 2006 15:47:14 GMT -5
Levi helps out the ladder lots. He informs noobs of its existence, helps run tourneys and lots of other things. So he made a joke that may or may not have offended a few people. He apologized. Let's move on.
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Post by Bantams on Aug 22, 2006 16:41:59 GMT -5
Please delete this thread some ppl are begining to get right on my tits now
imo levi is a really nice guy also colonel whatever youre name is be aware he also has a lobby imposter at times so give him some slack hes a nice guy really im sure if he made any comments out of hand they were jokes
needless to say colonel you seem to upset a few ppl in this lobby imo so upset me and feel the wrath of bantams
when my fellow buddy list members get attacked clan or otherwise i will do all i can to counter them attacks as far as this thread goes wasnt it originally about the helpers
not the wingers
one other point im a helper so is jebrim we help ppl with problems wher possible can someone help me out i cant join some ladder games but ffa are fine weird i know but ?
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 22, 2006 17:11:43 GMT -5
I don't like imposters ruining a Ladderites reputation either. I think I upset so many ppl because I remind them of their charcter flaws they don't want to know about, while everyone assumes that I think I have none myself. That said, I'll be the first to admit if I have done something unsportsman-like and apologize for it. Essentially, my message is the same as tamijo's and Avo's and others, but no one is getting upset at them for saying so. Btw, I am also in your buddy list, Bantams.
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Post by MMV on Aug 22, 2006 18:19:01 GMT -5
most of us don't have character flaws
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Post by Lestat on Aug 22, 2006 19:08:58 GMT -5
Essentially, my message is the same as tamijo's and Avo's and others, but no one is getting upset at them for saying so. Im upset ...
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Post by tamijo on Aug 23, 2006 5:13:46 GMT -5
Thx, tamijo and whiplash. No need to tkx me, as im infact neutral. I just try to be the grown up, asking everyone to cool down. In lobby - in here & in game.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 23, 2006 13:08:17 GMT -5
I consider myself to be impartial as well, though I have spoken to Tony, Decepticon, and Whiplash. I guess you could say I know them, although not well. I certainly haven't met them in RL. IMHO, I disagree with Decepticon in this thread, I think Tony is going a little too far against Levi, and I posted my opinions way before whiplash entered the scene. I'm not personally involved in these incidents because I'm not, nor ever have been, the recipient of abuse. However, I'll still say be nice to each other in any thread like this, just like you, tamijo. But, next time, I'll try not to come off as the High Holy Pope of the Ladder. Still, thank you for saying what is right, tamijo.
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Post by churchill1 on Aug 23, 2006 13:19:02 GMT -5
But, next time, I'll try not to come off as the High Holy Pope of the Ladder. AFAIK Civ 4 ladder is still without a pope. May be you could be the man for the job.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 23, 2006 13:45:11 GMT -5
Indeed. Perhaps I should go in the other direction entirely and caricature myself as The High Holy Pope of the Ladder (gregorian chants playing in the backround, like the theme of Christianity in Civ 4). From this point forward, I will preface all comments of a sanctimonious nature with the title, and anyone who actually takes me seriously will be laughed at by all. ;D
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Post by WarningU2 on Sept 6, 2006 7:29:10 GMT -5
ROFLMAO
Seriously this thread needs deleting. It's a prime example of why I withdraw from active participation in the ladder.
If anyone cares ...getting back on track ... there is an easy way to deal with spammers ... mute them. Plain and simple. There is no point IMHO in saying anything to people in the lobby spamming by whatever definition you have. It only provokes them more and wait for it ... makes them want to spam more.
The lobby is like speakers corner in Hyde Park ... anyone can get up on a soapbox and talk about anything but you make the decision to listen or deride them. Personally sometimes I find the discussions hilarious and oddly upsetting. Makes you realize how perverse and sick some of us can be.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 6, 2006 7:36:19 GMT -5
The lobbys fairly quiet and peacefull when this helpers around i ask ppl nicely to stop spamming and they stop spamming If they dont i just post this in the lobby If you would like to mute spammers and smackheads’, right click on their names from the list of names on the right, then select ignore user. ;D the original said smacktards but i much prefer smackheads ;D
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 6, 2006 11:29:29 GMT -5
Blah, blah, blah....there are more important issuse at hand. Steve Irwin is dead. Who will protect Australia from the crocodiles?
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