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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 14, 2006 16:39:56 GMT -5
1- The INCREDIBLY LAME WHIMPY banning of Russia -- cossacks shorten game length (plain and simple). Cossacks are incredibly overpowered and I honestly have no idea how Firaxis and their beta testers let this one slip through. Besides another Cossack, what kills a Cossack? Pikes, even with Catapults, are still under 50% to win. Cavalry just get slaughtered, and while you can put double flanking on them to help them retreat, you're still going to needa ton of Catapults and Pikes to make this worthwhile. Rifles and Redcoats are even going to lose if you simply put Pinch on a Cossack. So basically what it comes down to -- if Russia is in the game and the teams are about equal in skill, it comes down to which Russia gets put in a better position and how many Knights the team can make to gift to Russia to upgrade to Cossacks. Maybe the game will be quicker, but unless you are playing 5 Russias vs. 5 Russias, the game will be boring, with 1 dominant strategy, and Cossacks dominating while Cavalry are completely useless.
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Post by longhorn on Jul 14, 2006 23:46:28 GMT -5
1- The INCREDIBLY LAME WHIMPY banning of Russia -- cossacks shorten game length (plain and simple). Cossacks are incredibly overpowered and I honestly have no idea how Firaxis and their beta testers let this one slip through. Besides another Cossack, what kills a Cossack? Pikes, even with Catapults, are still under 50% to win. Cavalry just get slaughtered, and while you can put double flanking on them to help them retreat, you're still going to needa ton of Catapults and Pikes to make this worthwhile. Rifles and Redcoats are even going to lose if you simply put Pinch on a Cossack. So basically what it comes down to -- if Russia is in the game and the teams are about equal in skill, it comes down to which Russia gets put in a better position and how many Knights the team can make to gift to Russia to upgrade to Cossacks. Maybe the game will be quicker, but unless you are playing 5 Russias vs. 5 Russias, the game will be boring, with 1 dominant strategy, and Cossacks dominating while Cavalry are completely useless. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Well too late.. you have already made this era boring (see the references to same map, same players, same strategy etc.). I understand why you wouldn't want to face cossacks.. because it would force your group to tech to rifles instead of the one dimensional strategy most of your group plays.. max production..build stack.. kill.. IMO cant get much more boring than that. ;D
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Post by tommynt on Jul 15, 2006 0:44:46 GMT -5
rifles are too far away and loose vs cossacs
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Post by Elledge on Jul 15, 2006 1:27:37 GMT -5
Yeah, rifles don't even have odds vs cossacks, much less 2 movement, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 15, 2006 4:55:29 GMT -5
If you just put Pinch onto a Cossack you'll have good odds against Rifles, even Redcoats. Plus, as Tommy said, Rifles are pretty far off at the start of the game. If you don't like this strategy, then do something about it, devise a counter. Don't let people build up their production by spamming cities -- put early pressure on the front and force them to send support or watch their allies die, or get early Astro and threaten everyone on the team and try to boat someone and eliminate them. In the end, when the opposition almost always follows the "standard" tech path and build up strategy, and you can usually do it better, you're probably going to win. As for Cossacks, I can play with them, they're just not very much fun. Last game we played with Russia, I spammed as many cities as I could at maximum production, and had my teammates gift me Knights. As soon as we got to Mil Trad we went zero tech, upgraded the Knights to Cossacks, built a ton of additional Cossacks, and then killed the closest opponent with our big stack. That's how it can get even more boring ... .
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