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Post by Bantams on Jul 29, 2006 2:46:40 GMT -5
ok so AUDRIEN was Sir_Tobey but is now AUDRIEN again so go figure sorry AUDRIEN im crap at keeping secrets ps audrien is also sir _tobey now im confussed
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 29, 2006 4:19:26 GMT -5
The other day I see on the ladder news that:
Mahalia_Queen joined.
The next day I see that:
Mahalia_Queen is now British_Loyalist.
I remember seeing a few days ago that some other account was using the name British_Loyalist, but the name change was posted more than 7 days ago and I don't know, if it's even possible, to go further back than that in the daily news.
So I'm just wondering, how many accounts does this guy have? And if it's not the same guy, isn't there a ladder rule that everyone should have a unique name so as not to confuse others?
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Post by dreddcool on Jul 29, 2006 5:27:27 GMT -5
It has been confirmed that MissLadyLuck IS Atomation. LMAO, i shoulda understand...the way they behave after they die in ctons was same ;D
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Post by Bantams on Jul 29, 2006 7:22:18 GMT -5
The other day I see on the ladder news that: Mahalia_Queen joined. The next day I see that: Mahalia_Queen is now British_Loyalist. I remember seeing a few days ago that some other account was using the name British_Loyalist, but the name change was posted more than 7 days ago and I don't know, if it's even possible, to go further back than that in the daily news. So I'm just wondering, how many accounts does this guy have? And if it's not the same guy, isn't there a ladder rule that everyone should have a unique name so as not to confuse others? lots and lots of brothers i mentioned this to admins before but nothing seems to be done about it
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 29, 2006 12:08:13 GMT -5
I never announced why I left as admin but as I see this is blowing up now ... as I predicted to the other admins. The reason I resigned as admin is exactly what you folks here are complaining about ... multiple accounts. I tried tirelessly to remove them but with an open league it's impossible. I couldn't remove them fast enough and when I did I made mistakes and removed legitimate accounts in error. I said to myself its not worth it. I asked for it to go back to invitation and SPM didn't. I said farewell. And my life is so much simpler. IMHO the ladder is in serious trouble as a open league. When you discipline one account the same player uses another account or gets a new one without too much difficulty. I do not believe the ban function works anymore or if it does, it seems easy to circumvent. I suspect the number of banned players has max'd out in the function and needs to have old accounts removed. I fear that shortly the ladder will become a joke. And that ladies and gentlemen is a terrible consequence of inept management. Now the admins will put up all proof saying this is not true and how healthy the ladder is. More likely this post will just be removed as some sort of flame ... but if I were you I would demand that a invitation league be reinstated or this issue will just get worse. I only say this because despite my resignation I still care about the ladder. Good Luck folks.
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Post by MookieNJ on Jul 29, 2006 12:09:41 GMT -5
lots and lots of brothers i mentioned this to admins before but nothing seems to be done about it There's no way they should be able to get away with using the same name like that, and the admins do have the power to do something about it if they want to:
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Post by ironclad on Jul 29, 2006 12:13:46 GMT -5
I never announced why I left as admin but as I see this is blowing up now ... as I predicted to the other admins. The reason I resigned as admin is exactly what you folks here are complaining about ... multiple accounts. I tried tirelessly to remove them but with an open league it's impossible. I couldn't remove them fast enough and when I did I made mistakes and removed legitimate accounts in error. I said to myself its not worth it. I asked for it to go back to invitation and SPM didn't. I said farewell. And my life is so much simpler. IMHO the ladder is in serious trouble as a open league. When you discipline one account the same player uses another account or gets a new one without too much difficulty. I do not believe the ban function works anymore or if it does, it seems easy to circumvent. I suspect the number of banned players has max'd out in the function and needs to have old accounts removed. I fear that shortly the ladder will become a joke. And that ladies and gentlemen is a terrible consequence of inept management. Now the admins will put up all proof saying this is not true and how healthy the ladder is. More likely this post will just be removed as some sort of flame ... but if I were you I would demand that a invitation league be reinstated or this issue will just get worse. I only say this because despite my resignation I still care about the ladder. Good Luck folks. I always wanted a invite ladder, most vets d. I thought it was an invite ladder... when did it become non invitational. non invite just causes all and i see no point in it.
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Post by Lestat on Jul 29, 2006 12:16:22 GMT -5
I never announced why I left as admin but as I see this is blowing up now ... as I predicted to the other admins. The reason I resigned as admin is exactly what you folks here are complaining about ... multiple accounts. I tried tirelessly to remove them but with an open league it's impossible. I couldn't remove them fast enough and when I did I made mistakes and removed legitimate accounts in error. I said to myself its not worth it. I asked for it to go back to invitation and SPM didn't. I said farewell. And my life is so much simpler. IMHO the ladder is in serious trouble as a open league. When you discipline one account the same player uses another account or gets a new one without too much difficulty. I do not believe the ban function works anymore or if it does, it seems easy to circumvent. I suspect the number of banned players has max'd out in the function and needs to have old accounts removed. I fear that shortly the ladder will become a joke. And that ladies and gentlemen is a terrible consequence of inept management. Now the admins will put up all proof saying this is not true and how healthy the ladder is. More likely this post will just be removed as some sort of flame ... but if I were you I would demand that a invitation league be reinstated or this issue will just get worse. I only say this because despite my resignation I still care about the ladder. Good Luck folks. ME TO
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 29, 2006 15:58:55 GMT -5
I will repectfully disagree with my former admin and long time friend. To site one problem and say that the house is falling down is a bit of an exageration. Are the "British_Loyalist" family possiblely breaking the rules? Yes, but the Admin team has had lenghty discussions in the past with them, that the general ladder public would not know about. And frankly they are not good enough at Civ to effect the rankings in any matter even if they are abusing the system somewhat. So it's a matter of assessing the risk vs damage of this situation.
As to the big picture of double accounts, the facts are that the admin software identifies approx 15 *possible* double accounts. 3 of these are admin IP's from forcing reports. Also the software will often identify accounts that are nothing more than ISP assigning dynamic IP's. So on average we might have 6 acctounts that we will have to investigate. Some are just n00bs that don't realize that you can change your name via the User Editor. And we can search accounts by "cooking" , "IP", and by "passwords", while we get hits on password and IP searches we have not had any hits on possble cooking of games in ages.
Now the facts of being an open league or private? Well since we went open, we have gone from barely 800 players(and we were falling) to over 1000 players and growing. Dailly matches have gone from an average of 350 per day to over 450(some days lately have topped 600). If you need evidence I can certainly post pictures of the stats available to the admins, and via the logs I can do a comparison of the two weeks before and after we opened the league.
My own observations are that when we were private lots of players complained of a lack of games in there time zone, and I'm not seeing that now. I'm not sure why we were bleeding ladder population as a private league, but I can only guess that lots of new players found it difficult or intimidating.
So IMHO we are gaining much more out of being a open league than we are having to work to monitor a few problem children, lets not let the 1% of the problems ruin this for the 99% that are having fun and obeying the rules.
CS
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Post by Bantams on Jul 29, 2006 17:20:23 GMT -5
jesus christ the guy as multiple accounts and i am 100% sure its the same guy so SPM my dear friend just boot his ass btw i love you all oh and the amount of none reports i got in the past wasnt even worth bothering about i didnt have the time to file them i mean come brittish loyalist/amnesty/ whatever same guy just ban him please or ill quit then you will be sad
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 29, 2006 17:34:30 GMT -5
jesus christ the guy as multiple accounts and i am 100% sure its the same guy so SPM my dear friend just boot his ass btw i love you all oh and the amount of none reports i got in the past wasnt even worth bothering about i didnt have the time to file them i mean come brittish loyalist/amnesty/ whatever same guy just ban him please or ill quit then you will be sad I really don't think setting up a lynch mob to deal with one minor situation is going to effect the health of the ladder one bit. But believe me I am the one doing non-reports and people are being held to account for repeated non-reports. Just do your part and watch the Dailly results for people being suspended and don't let them play ladder games, neither your nor them will get reports from that game anyway. CS
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Post by tommynt on Jul 30, 2006 4:39:13 GMT -5
Do i hear right?
It s no more invitation only? There was a big thread and a voting which was totally towards invitation only by like 90% of posters/voters. There are several very good reasons for invitation only and i see non/few against. No need to start a discussion which was made allready again but i really wonder why admins work against of majority of community and against the admin who is related by a issue the most?
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Post by Bantams on Jul 30, 2006 12:39:57 GMT -5
Do i hear right? It s no more invitation only? There was a big thread and a voting which was totally towards invitation only by like 90% of posters/voters. There are several very good reasons for invitation only and i see non/few against. No need to start a discussion which was made allready again but i really wonder why admins work against of majority of community and against the admin who is related by a issue the most? yep youre right stupid aint it
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 30, 2006 12:58:06 GMT -5
Do i hear right? It s no more invitation only? There was a big thread and a voting which was totally towards invitation only by like 90% of posters/voters. There are several very good reasons for invitation only and i see non/few against. No need to start a discussion which was made allready again but i really wonder why admins work against of majority of community and against the admin who is related by a issue the most? That poll was in January Tommy, when duplicate accounts and non-reports was a large issue, primarily due to the vast influx of new players. That is not the situation now, so within the admin team we made a decision to try a open league again. And if you read my post above you will see my reasons for supporting this decision. Feel free to disagree but it would be even better if you can support your reasoning with facts and statistics as well. Being the person doing non-reports right now I don't think the level of non-reports justifies the negative side of being a private league. Especially now that games are split between two versions of Civ as we transisition to Warlords. CS
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Post by Necrominousss on Jul 30, 2006 14:07:47 GMT -5
I've notice an uptick in idiots lately. Now I know why.
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Post by tommynt on Jul 30, 2006 15:30:19 GMT -5
the latest descusion about that wasnt in january - it was like 3 weeks ago and had lot of posts in it - not sure if there was a poll aswell.
imo u should do a new poll on such a important issue if the other poll was so clear against - nonreporters dumbs and namechangers are a main reason why many vets dont play ctons or dont like playing unknown guys at all
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Post by Bantams on Jul 30, 2006 15:51:03 GMT -5
the latest descusion about that wasnt in january - it was like 3 weeks ago and had lot of posts in it - not sure if there was a poll aswell. imo u should do a new poll on such a important issue if the other poll was so clear against - nonreporters dumbs and namechangers are a main reason why many vets dont play ctons or dont like playing unknown guys at all hes right again you are wrong cs sorry to say that but the ladder should be invite only if you need help i can do it temp basis
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 30, 2006 18:51:23 GMT -5
Well we all have our personal opinions Bamtams, but I strongly think you guys are wrong. New players are our life blood and as I've posted in your poll going invite only does not keep duplicate accounts from happening, and it does not keep n00bs from not reporting matches. If you are not getting reports use the non-report link! If your to lazy to do that then blame yourself not the system. Many new players just don't understand the system, it's everyones job to educate them. I have no problem processing non-reports and do so dailly. So you still have not convinced me that going invite only is going to solve what ever issues you think there is..... But I know, because of the statistics I can access, that going invite only will both decrease the ladder population and decrease the number of matches per day, and IMHO that cure is worse than the sickness.
CS
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Post by decepticon on Aug 1, 2006 1:09:54 GMT -5
The more i think about this the more i have to lean towards leaving it open. if we obsess too much over these double accounts its gonna lead to some sort of high tech big brother internet log of your life ( as if it isn't bad enough already) safest road seems to me to be just let it be for the most part...and let the admins do what they gotta do. right now i could call my ISP and have my IP changed...there are also numerous other ways to shawdow your IP address... so bring on big brother or deal with some of it.
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Post by Bantams on Aug 1, 2006 7:10:10 GMT -5
Back to topic [OOD]laststand is [OOD]DustyDragoon well i never and knupp withdrew yesterday so whats he gonna come back as?
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