|
Post by alice on Jun 15, 2006 2:54:14 GMT -5
remember when players could sign up automaticly , i think then it caused too many problems and understood the need for a change , but now i think that that time has passed i find i very difficult to play a ladder game late at night , not that there is a shortage of lobby members , just that there is a shortage of ladder players, i wish that we could now in this new age of waneing participation restart the autojoin feature i think it could help this community grow
btw my last thread was not simply a congrats to eiffle for c4f but a suggestion to hotlink it on the websight, can i get any feedback on that could this sight put up a frontpage link ?
|
|
|
Post by loki1023 on Jun 16, 2006 23:51:59 GMT -5
While not a member of the ladder I do see auto join as a good idea in the sense that impatient people would be able to join asap and get into the mix ,but do we really want impatient players in the ladder ?
I think the current admin team does pretty well on accepting join requests atm 24 hours shouldn't hurt anyone ,but thats just my opinnion.
The hotlink in c4f it already has a link to the french ladder and the US english ladder ,but I have spoken to Eiffel about making it a toolbar button that would only list the ladder links based on the language you selected in the cf4 options.
|
|
|
Post by zzZhenon on Jun 17, 2006 1:37:35 GMT -5
That might be a good idea. There are tons of non-ladders in the lobby. In C3C, ladder is the majority, not the minority....
I think we should periodically open up autoregistration:
1. to give admins a break 2. to increase membership (kind of like a fraternity/sorority "rush")
Then maybe after 2 weeks or a month, go back to the current system.
|
|
|
Post by Elledge on Jun 17, 2006 1:44:13 GMT -5
The problem with things as they are is that a newer player can't join a ladder game and be told "oh, go sign up here and we can play." There's a boot involved, and by the time he gets invited (if he bothers applying anyway since he already can't play the game) he might have forgotten all about it.
|
|
|
Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 17, 2006 2:17:18 GMT -5
Well I think we will try going back to the auto invite system....BUT if it becomes a huge problem with multiple accounts and cooking games like it was in Jan/Feb, then we'll have to chose the path of less pain again. CS
|
|
|
Post by Bantams on Jun 17, 2006 2:45:23 GMT -5
its fine as it is why change something that isnt broken?
unlike the game itself
|
|
|
Post by Elledge on Jun 17, 2006 2:52:02 GMT -5
I guess I don't see why it would solve any problems cooking games. Anyone can hook up to a proxy and register a hotmail account if they really want to cheat. I'd rather have an opportunity to play with more new players, regardless of whether people are cheating or whatever for rank, and I suspect most would agree.
|
|
|
Post by lporiginalg on Jun 17, 2006 3:53:45 GMT -5
I see, I see. *franticly scribbles notes on a pad* And how exactly does one hook up a "proxy" and just what is this "hotmail" of which you speak?
|
|
|
Post by Elledge on Jun 17, 2006 4:03:59 GMT -5
FIRST YOU LINK THE HTML DECRYPTOR TO THE REVERSE ARP GENERATOR
|
|
|
Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 17, 2006 13:42:09 GMT -5
I guess I don't see why it would solve any problems cooking games. Anyone can hook up to a proxy and register a hotmail account if they really want to cheat. I'd rather have an opportunity to play with more new players, regardless of whether people are cheating or whatever for rank, and I suspect most would agree. Most people do not have that skill set, you are talking about 1% of the troublemakers. The 99% though have no problem clicking on the Free Signup link to create a new account the minute they get put into the box for not reporting matches or other offences, and although it's not terribly difficult to find these accounts it is one more time consuming activitiy that I would rather not spend my free time doing, when I'd rather be playing games when I can. CS
|
|
|
Post by WarningU2 on Jun 18, 2006 8:32:33 GMT -5
I am adamantly opposed to allowing people to join without an invite. In the past it has caused nothing but problems, allowing multiple accounts and causing ladder disarray. Sure you will get more ladder members which is good but it encourages misuse and abuse and generates nothing but more work for the admins in both non reports and duplicate accounts. I 'd rather see a core group of responsible players than a large group of people that don't report, get kicked and rejoin. I can't for the life of me wonder why we would consider this again. It's a sign of madness to repeat the same actions over and expect different results.
|
|
|
Post by Avogadro on Jun 18, 2006 8:38:02 GMT -5
I concur with Warning's opinion.
|
|
|
Post by GERMANIA on Jun 18, 2006 9:01:44 GMT -5
I also agree that i am against that, i don't want to see that so many players leave and rejoins after a few days back under a new name so that they don't need to report.. And it would be much more work to find out who has a multi accounts.. So lets stay how it is, well i would wish that we would have more active players who are willing to learn and who care about the ladder and try to help the league the grow like Levi ore kazach
|
|
|
Post by WarningU2 on Jun 18, 2006 9:33:29 GMT -5
The alternate way to make the ladder grow is have more tournies.
|
|
|
Post by Necrominousss on Jun 18, 2006 9:39:27 GMT -5
Is there any way that a player could be issued a temporary pass to play(12 hours)while he waits for his account to be verified and ok'ed. That way people can have a sample of what a ladder game is like and play the same day if they come into a ladder staging room and want to sign up and play at that moment. Or would a pack of non-serious players just abuse that option as well. I definitely would not want to go back a completely open sign-up.
In a lot of ways I prefer people having to wait though. It's the equivalent to an initiation to separate the serious minded players from the goofs who are just going to cause frustration for all.
|
|
|
Post by MMV on Jun 18, 2006 12:21:04 GMT -5
play open games now and then - enough to see some of the frequent non-ladder players play - then invite them to join.
for those serious about seeing more players join the ladder, this is the best way to find them and get them.
|
|
|
Post by tommynt on Jun 18, 2006 13:17:35 GMT -5
DONT GO BACK TO THIS AUTO INVITATION SYSTEM
nonreport issues were ridicules - atm i get about 70 - 80 % of my reports - thats enough to keep a good win% without checking reports but before invitation only ... ctons are still very dropy and unreported - bad enough
oh well and I tried some times this play open games and invite to ladder - so pointless open games were so unplayable (once i tried this earth with players joining a game in progress - waiting for 4 min every 2 min - screw these developers) and skill was ridicules low. And all this f**k calling and other bs - no wonder so few people are in lobby no1 can stand all that spamming and other crap.
Back in civ3 every1 just joined ladder very fast - there was like no other option to get a game - admins should imo either take action and be more present in lobby and invite or just disband the ladder and screw civ4 - atm the community is just too small and game got too many problems.
The slow but constant death of civ4 ladder isnt what we need imo
|
|
|
Post by WarningU2 on Jun 18, 2006 15:40:22 GMT -5
Tommynit you contradict yourself. What action do you propose we take ? I still don't think the game is as bad as PTW was when it first came out. Count yourself lucky.
|
|
|
Post by Canucksoldier on Jun 18, 2006 16:40:52 GMT -5
Yes tommy, would you like to offer the admin team some advice on how to make C4P like C3P was at it's prime? Rather than just come with criticism how about come with solutions as well, because we would welcome some good idea's about how to make C4P a larger success, as we are already doing everything we can think off.
CS
|
|
|
Post by Tony on Jun 18, 2006 19:16:03 GMT -5
I dont really get this thread, so far i have heard sooo many reasons why the ladder is not growing:
People dont welcome new players into teamers Not enough articles have been written The ladder not instant sign up Alot of open players dont know about the lader Not enough tornies No one ever reports
The truth is ALL of the above is rubbish!
Not only ladder player numbers falling but aslo non-ladder, i personally think the problem lies in the game itself and has nothing to do with anything else.
1) The game is rather buggy, the worst bug you can have in any game is not being able to connect to each other. This causes soo much fustration. But saying that i personally belive this is only a small contributing factor.
2) The game-play this is the real issue IMO, why have no many C3C players bought the game and basicly gone back to C3C? It just doesnt have that addictivness element prior versions in the series did. It seems even sirpartyman prefers C3C, although im sure he wount admit it, but you only have to see his reports on both ladders. Maybe i dont know what im doing but i find all too often i am doing the same thing game in game out, and the element of supirse is totally gone. Ship attack? quick moving horses? foget it!! It seems the only way to kill someone is with choking, or out produce/tech them, which can get awfully boring.
When the game first game out i expressed concerns about the games longevity, and i guess i was right. Playing the same people, and doing the same thing game after game is only fun for a few months, which i also predicted.
My next prediction is Warlords will add feul to the fire, even fewer players playing. (Current civ4 players) *(0.50) = Warlords MP community = sigh
This is not being negative, its just my thoughts
|
|