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Post by laststand on Jun 9, 2006 16:21:02 GMT -5
Just thought I'd put this up to help out all us noobs. If you want a fair indicator as to how good a player is and you are a "NOOB". Then use this chart If skill rating is at: 1300 - 1400 no worry's build away and have fun 1400 - 1500 Starting to get some of the basics but still not much of a threat. 1500 - 1600 This person may start to be a bit of a concern. Watch but continue to go about your way. May try to surprise attack so just keep an eye on his score.
1600 - 1700 Some one approaching immortality and is really getting a good idea as to how this game has to be played
1700 - 1800 Run for cover and pray you live past turn 30
1800 - 1900 Start writing out your last will and testament
1900 - 2000 or more Just go report and get it over with quick.
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Post by Elledge on Jun 9, 2006 17:01:44 GMT -5
I tend to zero in on about 1850+ as a mark of a very strong player, but honestly it's a pretty volatile statistic if you play a lot of teamers; up and down and up and down, like all the rest.
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Post by zerza on Jun 9, 2006 23:59:55 GMT -5
Some very prominent players will hunt noobs for games to build their stats. Statistics are really no indicator of a players worth, they are to easily fudged by unkown variables. The only people that look at stats to judge players are noobs themselves, so its not really any help.
One player comes to mind with very high statistics, but you will NEVER see him play a game with a typical ladder member, and hes an admin.
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Post by tamijo on Jun 10, 2006 2:06:16 GMT -5
Might be right or nor, sure was fun
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Post by Elledge on Jun 10, 2006 2:16:54 GMT -5
Some very prominent players will hunt noobs for games to build their stats. Statistics are really no indicator of a players worth, they are to easily fudged by unkown variables. The only people that look at stats to judge players are noobs themselves, so its not really any help. One player comes to mind with very high statistics, but you will NEVER see him play a game with a typical ladder member, and hes an admin. Bull. There might be one or two people like that, but I defy you to name more. Nobody but nobody does that.
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Post by Gogf on Jun 11, 2006 9:48:19 GMT -5
Some very prominent players will hunt noobs for games to build their stats. Statistics are really no indicator of a players worth, they are to easily fudged by unkown variables. The only people that look at stats to judge players are noobs themselves, so its not really any help. One player comes to mind with very high statistics, but you will NEVER see him play a game with a typical ladder member, and hes an admin. I understand that some of the ladder admins don't play as much as some ladder members, but none of them hunt down games with newbies. As for skill rating, it's a rather poor indicator in my opinion. For those of us who play in teamers almost exclusively, it's not going to be very high.
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Post by Avogadro on Jun 11, 2006 17:38:32 GMT -5
In spite what Zerza states I have never seen this admin "duck" anyone or simply noob hunt. People where blaming Fried of the same thing when he was champion. Funny they continue to do so even after losing his crown. Fried plays CCC times and is not ducking anyone. Have certain players caught up to him skill wise? Most probably.....This being said I have had the opportunity to get my back side whooped by him a few times. The reason why you don't see him so much is because he is helping to develop future civ products. He has never ducked anyone to my knowledge, I'm sure he is proud and does not relish the thought of losing like many of you will surely understand but to attack him in such a manner is inappropriate. Especially Zerza since I could point out that you play very little ladder, I fail to see what you are trying to stir up with such comments. Fried like any other top contender can be found each CCC. Wanna true test of ladder skills? Find a clan and sign up for championships. Until then know that free pokes at administrators integrity will not be appreciated. PS-Ladderites will see more of me in incoming weeks as I am soon on 10 week vacation PPS-Both myself and Fried play under pseudonym so you may think we duck but I can say this is not the case and you don't alwasy know who is in the game set-up with you. When in doubt, I'm the one in the game telling everyone to behave
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Post by tommynt on Jun 12, 2006 7:23:22 GMT -5
Avo u r not right but i deleted rest of post as it s pointless
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Post by Ellestar on Jun 12, 2006 9:27:34 GMT -5
I tend to zero in on about 1850+ as a mark of a very strong player, but honestly it's a pretty volatile statistic if you play a lot of teamers; up and down and up and down, like all the rest. Yes, with teamers skill is completely random. And it's so much easier to get skill in ctons.
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Post by zerza on Jun 12, 2006 10:12:56 GMT -5
In spite what Zerza states I have never seen this admin "duck" anyone or simply noob hunt. People where blaming Fried of the same thing when he was champion. Funny they continue to do so even after losing his crown. Fried plays CCC times and is not ducking anyone. Have certain players caught up to him skill wise? Most probably.....This being said I have had the opportunity to get my back side whooped by him a few times. The reason why you don't see him so much is because he is helping to develop future civ products. He has never ducked anyone to my knowledge, I'm sure he is proud and does not relish the thought of losing like many of you will surely understand but to attack him in such a manner is inappropriate. Especially Zerza since I could point out that you play very little ladder, I fail to see what you are trying to stir up with such comments. Fried like any other top contender can be found each CCC. Wanna true test of ladder skills? Find a clan and sign up for championships. Until then know that free pokes at administrators integrity will not be appreciated. PS-Ladderites will see more of me in incoming weeks as I am soon on 10 week vacation PPS-Both myself and Fried play under pseudonym so you may think we duck but I can say this is not the case and you don't alwasy know who is in the game set-up with you. When in doubt, I'm the one in the game telling everyone to behave Well Avo I named no names, so you obviously have an idea of what I meant Tho the last time I played this particular person it ended with him accusing me of cheating (laughable to anyone who knows me, ya Im no legend ) I dont understand the playing under fake names bit. Isn't this kinda like cheating, to hide the fact that your a skilled player? I dont really get why anyone would feel they need to hide the fact they know how to play. I would be pissed if my neighbor is posing as a nooby in a shady attempt to get me to under estimate them. I think its cowardly and against the spirit of the ladder. Isn't there a rule on ladder regarding using multiple accounts? But no Avo, I havne't played in some time now, no games up beside teamers (which inevitably result in some poor noob bash session) and inland sea maps, and bugs :/ I do play online but with only chosen friends, all I really have time for with the frequent crashes found in the typical lobby game :/ .
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Post by Avogadro on Jun 12, 2006 12:44:06 GMT -5
My playing name is no longer Avogadro for a very simple reason. I left GC and when I tried to log on to GS I could not do so with only Avogadro. I tried going to GS to change my account name and was unable to do so. Since I have a gold account on the ladder I changed my name and simply created a second GS account. so I ain't hiding as all know I suck anyhow As for an admin accusing you of cheating...I'll leave that reply to him because I find it....well....very unlikely. I'm sure he knows what can be accomplished on battle field or not at this point in his Civ career. No you did not mention his name but I am stepping in because I often find you taking "pokes" at his character. Whether you get along with him is your business but as an admin I must warn not to spend your time trolling him as one of us will surely have to step in. We stand as a team in the way we run the ladder and are often proud of our performance as individuals in matters of setting examples. You wont find me in a game insulting anyone and I doubt very much you would find him doing it either. ps-Multiple accounts are illegal. I have one account only so anyone keeping track of daily news knows who I am.
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Post by zerza on Jun 14, 2006 12:56:53 GMT -5
PPS-Both myself and Fried play under pseudonym so you may think we duck but I can say this is not the case and you don't alwasy know who is in the game set-up with you. When in doubt, I'm the one in the game telling everyone to behave ps-Multiple accounts are illegal. I have one account only so anyone keeping track of daily news knows who I am. Well you may have 1 account, but the Friedrich account is still on ladder. Yet you say he plays under a pseudonym as well. This would be a 2nd account for him. Which, in your words, is illegal. Thats not setting much of an example. Or does this mean we are all free to set up a proxy and create a 2nd account
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Post by MMV on Jun 14, 2006 13:16:08 GMT -5
My playing name is no longer Avogadro for a very simple reason yada yada yada ps-Multiple accounts are illegal. I have one account only so anyone keeping track of daily news knows who I am. well........... for all of us that missed it in the ladder news - I sure hope ladder players, new ladder players, potential ladder players can find you when they have a question or need help. When someone asks if Admin Avo is around, what do we tell them, "read the news?"
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Post by Avogadro on Jun 15, 2006 0:00:18 GMT -5
No when I am around, whihc is only once a week this I get vacation time. I have admin tags in c4f so Im not hard to find, I also read this forum daily to stay up to date with the vibes of my community.
As for fried having multiple accounts no. He has his normal account and uses antoher to get game crash info from ctons. We all want this fixed right? so he is having fun playing sherlock holmes. As about Fried setting an example, he reports his matches, he has second account to be able to go into games and record logs wihtout everyone going it's fried get him!!. He has permission of the concil in this matter and you zerza have be warned before by both CS and I. you dont play much ladder and are trying to invoque an old feud you have with a collegue of ours. See you next week, when you return I suggest you avod speaking of this person as it obvioulsy turns into a vandata.
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Post by tommynt on Jun 15, 2006 6:48:19 GMT -5
just leave the admins allone - if fried thinks he s a cellebrity and need to be undercover to go shopping without writing autogramms just let him have his fun
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Post by laststand on Jun 15, 2006 7:05:59 GMT -5
Ah man I'm sorry I only put this up for a bit of a laugh and to have some fun, not to see people trash one another. Maybe admin can delete it or something. I'm sorry
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Post by churchill1 on Jun 15, 2006 8:02:23 GMT -5
Sorry, Laststand. If that is what you hope for then you were far too ambitious.
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Post by Tony on Jun 15, 2006 11:06:59 GMT -5
No when I am around, whihc is only once a week this I get vacation time. I have admin tags in c4f so Im not hard to find, I also read this forum daily to stay up to date with the vibes of my community. As for fried having multiple accounts no. He has his normal account and uses antoher to get game crash info from ctons. We all want this fixed right? so he is having fun playing sherlock holmes. As about Fried setting an example, he reports his matches, he has second account to be able to go into games and record logs wihtout everyone going it's fried get him!!. He has permission of the concil in this matter and you zerza have be warned before by both CS and I. you dont play much ladder and are trying to invoque an old feud you have with a collegue of ours. See you next week, when you return I suggest you avod speaking of this person as it obvioulsy turns into a vandata. This is quite possibly the most silly thing i have read for a while, playing under a allias is the most cowardly thing ever. He has written so many artiles and made himself to look like a civ god but, he can never live up to the expectations. People do not gun after anyone in ctons, and even if they do who cares? Obviously he is concerned about his repuation and possibly his stats. Even if people do gun for people, which they dont, im sure people would prefer to kill somsone like tommy, a good player that that actually backs his talk up with good play. Funny he only has time to play using his real name when the game is new and no one else can play.
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Post by eiffel on Jun 15, 2006 13:42:03 GMT -5
I guess this is why he wants to play as "unknown" player since all he does gets a lot of attention from other players. Avo said his goal is testing bugs to improve the game so it's a good thing. As long as it is done in ctons or open games, no problem. (If he plays ladder teamers, that's a problem since we always try to make balanced teams).
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Post by MMV on Jun 15, 2006 14:49:01 GMT -5
This poses a serious issue.
Two ladder names (or multiple accounts), if anyone has that for any reason, is both against My.League rules/policy and the ladder rules - I don't think this should be "over-ruled" by anyone.
having multiple ladder names/accounts, under whatever guise is being stated, is still a violation of the rules and just an unrealistic rationalization for going around the rules.
Admins should set the highest example (another rule) and not use any position they hold to find ways of going around them (yet another rule).
Any Admin suspending someone's ladder or posting privilidges for ANY reason, especially about rule-adherence when they could possibly be violating the rules of the same forum/ladder COULD be viewed as an indication of abuse of authority as well as sheer irresponsibility.
We don't need "secret Admins" no matter what the reasons.
No matter who's doing it (if someone is), I don't want them around as an Admin (since "mere players" get tossed off the ladder for the same reason).
Please set the example by your actions and not the rationalization for your actions.
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