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Post by Avogadro on May 24, 2006 17:40:25 GMT -5
Illegal for a Gold player to do it? no Ethical? I'd certainly remember who it was and have a chat with him. I am a gold member and often reset my stats but.... Never before reporting. In fact its kinda silly to do so. Only thing accomplised is to take rank away from the victors. I mean you reset rank report 6 loses and are 0-6...why not report the 6 loses then reset your rank Makes more sense to me no?
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Post by Elledge on May 24, 2006 18:56:04 GMT -5
That's unbelievable, I can't imagine that people would do that as a method of being a thingy.
I mean, only a person who really thinks stats are super-important would care enough to bother resetting in that circumstance, right? And they'd sacrifice their own stats doing it? Seems insanely weird.
Edit: I petition to replace "thingy" in the profanity filter with "weenie."
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Post by Tony on May 24, 2006 19:00:53 GMT -5
LOL its kinda like hiting retire when you die, may not be ethical but its a small "payback".
Or killing the guy who has been pestering you all game, even if it is going to hinder your progress.
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Post by Lestat on May 25, 2006 9:36:28 GMT -5
LOL its kinda like hiting retire when you die, may not be ethical but its a small "payback". Or killing the guy who has been pestering you all game, even if it is going to hinder your progress. Omg kid. When you was killed u cant press retire only 2 way exit. But it is buged. Its hapen offten when killed player regulary exite game. In last 2 week every each game.
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Post by longhorn on May 25, 2006 12:39:09 GMT -5
Ok...another addenum to this post. What is the consensus on Gold ladder players resetting their stats before reporting? I played a game with a Gold member today who reset his account right before reporting. However, just 10 min before that game started, I had been involved in a match with that player where I reported a loss to him and he was not unranked. Is this a kosher practice, there seems to be no clarification on this in the ladder rules. ************************************************** Search Results (Wednesday 5/24/06) Match Results DeyReepher(59) defeated longhorn(N/A) DeyReepher(59) defeated alice(27) DeyReepher(43) defeated smuckey(46) DeyReepher(55) defeated [RaY]LeExp(24) DeyReepher(39) defeated Bonsai(102) DeyReepher(39) defeated Pipman(12) DeyReepher(25) defeated got_hooked_0423(69) Ladder News No matching news. Search Results (Tuesday 5/23/06) Match Results smuckey(54) defeated DeyReepher(58) gunsnroses(20) defeated DeyReepher(58) colasus(73) defeated DeyReepher(58) longhorn(307) defeated DeyReepher(58 *************************************************** Based upon your above complaint I can only assume you are referring to me as I often reset. And while I didn't see you complain or ask for clarification when you demanded that your opponents press enter immediately every turn (and then have your team double move them and kill) which I find so completely unethical it dwarfs your situation.. Or your constant demanding an opponent surrender a game just because you don't want to continue to play the game because its such a waste of your time...What is your problem besides your desire to attack me? True you didn't mention any names, but anyone interested in your whining can easily check your play activity and see who you are talking about.. I posted it above for clarity. There is no rank repercussion to the behavior you are SO TROUBLED about. You only move up in rank if the person is ranked higher than you. If your report moved them up earlier, their report couldn't possibly move you up.. think about it.. Even if you were 20 and they were 19, resetting would give you the 19th spot anyway. Trying to make a mountain out of a molehill as usual. If you just reported to someone and it moved them up, and subsequently they reset their statistics, how the heck does it affect you at all. It doesn't. Whether you got a report from a 300th ranked player or a reset player your rank will not change. The only way it would affect your rank is if they were ranked higher than you. IF (for example) the number 2 ranked player reset his stats before reporting to you, true, you would have lost a chance to move up.. but the number 2 player is probably not going to reset his rank just so he doesn't have to report to you-- despite how unethical your victory may be. So the only real motive you could possibly have is continuing yours and Dirksauces vendetta against me. I had no clue you were such a rank monger.. at least now I know.. It explains so much! *********************** EDITED********************* Take it from me, you should never post in the heat of the moment. Misundestandings happened on both sides. The player mentioned above is a class act, and we resolved these misunderstanding(s).
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Post by MookieNJ on May 25, 2006 14:47:32 GMT -5
As I was involved in this game, I feel the need to speak out about this situation. It was a late game Ren. Teamer where every turn started with 2 minutes and 40 seconds. It was a huge military standoff points race. One of our players had to go to work, we needed these turns to end quickly, which seemed pretty possible when nobody is really attacking. However, one of our front players, who was down a city and really couldn't afford to attack, got tired of waiting for the game to end as the turns were still taking about 2 minutes each, and moved EVERYTHING out of his city except 5 Musketeers to attack. This move was not discussed amongst the team nor was it endorsed by the team.
How can you double move a culture bombed city with a stack of rifles, cannons, catapults, and cavalry? There was no element of surprise here, it was just brunt force. If I recall correctly, he moved from a forest, to another forest, to a hill, to the city, then started bombarding away that 80% defense bonus ... that's no double move.
And with the entire team in points race mode and all our front's armies on the attack, a simple counter of about 10 cavalry would have ended the game immediately as we would have lost our player, and the stack that entered your team's lands.
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Post by churchill1 on May 25, 2006 15:35:57 GMT -5
It is no wonder some people don't enjoy these teamers. ;D
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Post by deyreepher on May 25, 2006 18:14:45 GMT -5
The double-moving (if you can call it that) was started at the beginning of the turn. For the whole entire game, you were not building units (as usual). We were deathly afraid of your courthouses and summary judgements. You were obviously trying to play a points game. As it was a military stalemate and I had to go to work (I was late by that point and didn't want to get a sub with 12 turns left). You were rapidly catching up in points and seeing that it did not appear that we could take out our opposing front in the north, I managed to convince my team to play out a points race. We all went growth in our cities and our cities were building research.
Talking to one of your teammates, I told him of my situation and that is why he was pressing for you guys to press enter (as I was). When you let a turn go the full length of time and laughed when I told you of my situation (to all), you just laughed the rest of the turn. The next turn, my teammate said screw this, I'm bored and sent everything in his cities to attack. What should have been a 10 min point race turned into a 30 min killing rampage. As Mookie said, he jumped from forest, to forest, to hill to bombard the front line culture bombed city down to 0% and then for the kill.
You had a real good chance of winning, as we had invested in alot of beaker intensive techs and you had alot of the cheaper techs still available to research and more land. The point lead kept flipping every 2-4 turns, so if we had gone your route and played a points victory, you could have won. So fault yourself for trying to be spiteful and then losing the game, because of it.
No on the topic of rank whoring, you were below me in rank. However, your action pointed out a flaw in the ladder ranking system which I had not realized before. I have not been in the top 20 for probably the last month or so you can kick that argument out the window, plus you had probably reset your stats no more than 3 games before this game. What the purpose of this addition to my post is to get clarification on this, as I have seen another player do this same thing before to avoid captaining a game. There being no rules on this situation, I wanted clarification on whether this was an acceptable practice or not. People clamor about how rank is meaningless, I would like to see a situation where it is not and it is practices like this that make it so. Though as a fellow Gold Member, I do respect your right to reset your stats, your timing raises questions.
As to your feeling that I have a vendetta against you, that is something you should try to settle with me outside the forum. I did not use names for a reason, if I wanted to call you out, I would have. I did not want a summary judgement against you at that point, but was actually curious on the admin take on this practice. That is the end to what I have to say about that on here.
*Talked to the player in question and all differences (I think) were settled in less than 10 min after this post as gentlemen should. No flame wars to erupt out of this little brush fire.*
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Post by Elledge on May 25, 2006 20:04:51 GMT -5
...as I have seen another player do this same thing before to avoid captaining a game. I'm curious about this, actually. I was under the impression that captainship was always optional and any captain by rank could pass on the privilege. I know that I've done it before when I was playing actively because I just feel like I don't have enough experience playing with enough different people to know how good folks are, so I'm not likely to pick good teams. Is this frowned upon in general?
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Post by Tony on May 25, 2006 20:26:23 GMT -5
It is no wonder some people don't enjoy these teamers. ;D You know this is why i dont like playing ren, often the game can take 4-5 hours and the last 50 turns are like 2-3 mins each . Infact scroll these boards, i belive somsone made a post about a ren game that was 8 hours. i remember cuz i subbed into it. Ancient teamers are better in this respect they last 2.5 hours, almost every time.
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Post by zzZhenon on May 25, 2006 20:39:05 GMT -5
Yeah I don't to play Ren on inland sea for the same reason Tony --- waaaayyy too long. I liked it on Lakes. That way the wrap around map makes anyone able to be attacked rather than having a couple of point sleepers in the back expanding and building then spamming their units to the two frontline civs.
lol "sleepers" -- dang swear filter, was supposed to be whor..... etc
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Post by Lestat on May 26, 2006 6:44:39 GMT -5
1. making presure to opponent to end turn is broking ladder rules. 2. if u must go to work ... go and report. 3. U can kindely asking for faster end turns but if no one respond u cant non stop talking about end turn and making presure to others. Also your teammate slowest game as he changed point race to war and in same time u want end turn are u thinking about conceeding bc hury 4. was played with white tigger in cton reny game. he lead on points, he asking for fast ending turns bc he must go to work but.. when i got hes first cite and hes losing point race he slowest game, he was not ending turns etc... was funy. 5. i was gold member and i think that reseting stats for goldes is privileges for their money. 6. and why is this soo important u got report in one or another way (befor or after reset).
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Post by Avogadro on May 27, 2006 18:49:35 GMT -5
I agree.
Host sets game timer to fast or normal...then no one can push someone into ending turn faster then the clock. If it's too slow set it up faster.
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Post by deyreepher on May 27, 2006 23:58:13 GMT -5
You can add your 2 cents, but this was already settled between me and the person in question. You don't know the specific circumstances of the situation.
If there was a reply feature (like in Starcraft), you would have a better grip of what was going on.
I found out afterwards that the other team was planting cities and micro-ing for growth. So I can understand now why their turns were taking so long.
So let me respond to Lestat.
1. When it's a points race with 12 turns to go, why not just end turns quickly? It's what we agreed upon with the other captain due to the situation. A game with 5-10 min to go vs. 40 min for 12 turns. Which makes more sense in a points race?
2. After spendind 3+ hours in a game that devolved into a points game, I doubt you'd want to give up all that time especially when your team is in the lead.
3. I discussed the situation with the other captain and he also pushed to end turns quickly. Once again, I did not know at the time that they were settler and pop spamming.
My teammate ended the game then and there by attacking. The game was over. They did not have enough units to defend, even if they had moved up all their forces from all of their support civs, excepting the other front. Hindsight is a bastard like that though.
4. I was always the first to press enter by the point I asked for quicker turns.
5. Resetting stats is indeed a gold member privilige. However, sometimes people reset in odd circumstances. Becoming captain of a team and then resetting before the game starts and after teams are picked or the situation I described earlier. If you've got stats high enough to become captain, the win against you for the other team gives the boost to the stats that an unranked player would not.
6. Too many people complain about the ladder being "broken" or rank being meaningless. I ask for clarification on certain things that seem to be in the grey area so that the ladder does not delve into a place where people can say such things. I may not be the most well-versed person when it comes to ladder rules, but I try to stick to them. You would not believe how many ambigious situations have been settled then and there by just pointing to the ladder rules about what to do in a sticky situation.
Come to think of it. I'd like an option for a static clock. Instead of the clock lengthening as the game develops, I'd like it to stay the same length of time for the whole game.
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Post by Ellestar on May 28, 2006 22:39:16 GMT -5
Now a hard choice: i'm 1st, everybodysdarling 3rd, CiverDan 4th. If i report to everybodysdarling first she'll be 2nd but after report to CiverDan she'll be 3rd again and CiverDan will be 2nd... I think i should report to CiverDan first so as a result CiverDan and everybodysdarling will be +1 rank but they will not change positions between each other.
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Post by whiplash on May 29, 2006 7:53:30 GMT -5
I believe I posted previously that the "rule" of report to the highest rank first works in every instance other than the numbers 3 and 4 ranks.
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Post by GERMANIA on May 29, 2006 8:22:09 GMT -5
Yes, but i already had once that where i was rank 3 and i won over rank 1 my rank went worser then it was be for the game after the reporting of Mr 1#! So i think there should be a rule that if there is a teamer and if there are 2 ore 3 players who are very close in ranks and they win over a higher rank player then the order of ranks must be the same. It cant be that player A who been higher rank then Mr B ore Mr C went to back in rank to B ore C when Mr D has reported the game
A rank 3, B rank 4 and C rank 5 and D rank 1 so that after the reporting it has to be D 1 , A 2, B3 and C 4, and nothing else
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Post by tommynt on May 29, 2006 10:01:47 GMT -5
are there really people caring about ranks?
and still people reading lestats posts?
and asking in a 10 man game to end turns is kinda pointless as there is just everyturn some1 else microing like crazzy or taking a nap
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Post by Lestat on May 29, 2006 10:52:32 GMT -5
and still u think that u posting smart and u still using unarticulated words
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Post by deyreepher on May 29, 2006 13:39:55 GMT -5
That's not cool Lestat.
I'm sure when speaking his English is more than passable. You can gather the meaning, this is not an academic paper. I can speak a few different languages, but writing is my weakest point in each. Show some love to a brother......
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