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Post by Lestat on Feb 9, 2006 13:38:16 GMT -5
U guys are u censors ? I played with 2 guys only 1 time and i kno something is wrong. I dnt have HARD EVIDENCE for accusations or sending files to admin bc i cant acces their XML config files or saved game files. Also accused players must have save game interval = 1 and get pw to admin for investigation. Doubt they have it. Only hope for ant-cheating is firaxis OOS. Now i waiting that some 1 told that OOS was bc Mongols settling bug. Saved game files without config files dnt mean nothing. Then i forget on those strange games till i saw this topic. "Mongol Settling Bug" If this is a legimate and repeatable bug please send me saves and/or screenshots documenting this, time is short to get fixes in the next patch. CS LOL no... This is methapore. Just want to say that people can find many reason while OOS hapened.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Feb 9, 2006 16:19:00 GMT -5
I am frustrated by people who make accusations without proof and then when we clear the party say "there's something fishy here".
Either produce proof to the admins (which no one has so far), or stop making accusations. And if you have accusations (and proof), make them confidentially and privately - not by public forum posting.
A winning streak by itself doesn't prove anything. Others have had similar winning streaks. And if I had a foolproof way of cheating, I'd probably deliberately throw a game or two to keep people off my trail.
When faced with accusations, the Ladder Admin Board reviews the facts (especially Saves) and makes a ruling. We all looked at several saves - all of which showed no evidence of cheating but as I said before considerable evidence of skill and applying a winning game plan.
I can't say with 100% certainty that ANY ladder member is honest, but I can say that I have seen no evidence to convince me that his play was dishonest. In our American system of justice, you are innocent until proven guilty. We try to apply that basic principle of jurisprudence to our ladder rulings.
Best, SPM
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Post by Avogadro on Feb 9, 2006 17:35:12 GMT -5
I have seen the saves and personally have found nothing which may indicate cheating. In fact I may even go as far as to say that from what I saw it is odd that he has won 107 games in a row. His science rate was not that high, his army not so huge. He had done a few things which allow him to distance himself in score in the final 20 turns..I wont say what because I do not wish to sell his tricks but...Let's just say there was nothing fishy looking about the saves I saw. If you do however have stories of things he personally may have told you then by all means email one of us. If not it is simply here-say and has no place in the public forum. I can say after seeing the saves that I would not hesitate to play him in a cton game. In fact, I'd like my odds. Civ is an extremely balanced game but streaks do happen, especially since I do not see all the big names reporting to him. WE have had during the lifetimes of civ3 and civ4 many +50 game streaks. We cannot start accusing everyone who has got some talent.
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Post by yumpak on Feb 9, 2006 23:30:44 GMT -5
The time I usually played was 8:00 pm in Korea, it was between 3 am (in LA) and 6am(in Atlanta). There were no expert users. That's why I won 107 times. If I matched with high rankers at that moment, I wouldn't have won 107 times continuously. [glow=red,2,300] I assure to god that I've never been a cheater.[/glow] translator = kimchi (my friend) In the interest of fair representation for accused players, the administration feels it is important to make it known when someone is investigated and cleared of any wrongdoing. In this case, Yumpak was found to have possibly cooked games with Trrrr, and was suspended for 5 days as a result. No hard evidence in the form of save games or any other concrete, demonstrable prove was shown to exist tying Yumpak to any form of cheating or hacking behaviors, and as such, he has been released from his suspension after the five days which have already passed, and is now free to play as before. Should any parties have any information on this issue, confirming or clearing, as always, please correspond directly with an administrator.
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Post by salqadri on Feb 10, 2006 0:43:01 GMT -5
Thank you for clearing your name so modestly Yumpak. We appologize for the inconveniences caused. I noticed that only 25% of the people you play have a higher rank than you (currently your rank is 125). With a +110 win streak and 86% win-loss ratio, you should try climbing the ladder now to play against people more of your caliber for more challenging games.
This will probably sound pretty funny, but if you could come on at like 2am-5am Korea time... lol.
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Post by salqadri on Feb 10, 2006 0:46:11 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Testing Glow...[/glow]
[shadow=red,left,300]Testing Shadow...[/shadow]
Whats this?
He he, Interesting stuff.
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Post by Ascension/Necrominous on Feb 10, 2006 3:25:54 GMT -5
Does Kimchi=fine korean girl? OOOh YAA Lucky dog, he's a CIV champion and has a hotty asian babe also. And hey, you beat me twice. I may not be a great like you but I'm no chopped liver. (translate that) All I Know is when someone assure to god you gotta respect that. I hope I get to play you again. Maybe I'll get to say "GG report plz" to you.
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Post by doppleganger on Feb 12, 2006 19:01:20 GMT -5
I've played yumpak and he wins fair and square as far as I can see, the guy shouldn't of been banned until there was evidence against him IMO.
And as we can see the evidence has cleared him. So I guess that makes him a civ god;) Friedrich got his wins by alot of experience as well as his skill, but Yumpak got 'em without it, good player I reckon.
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Post by Sidhe on Feb 13, 2006 1:30:28 GMT -5
Now that the admins have accused two people falsely of being cheats I think it's about time they got back to there real jobs of running the ladder and left the witch hunts up to the mindless bleating sheep on this forum who know who they are but shall remain nameless, don't you
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Feb 13, 2006 4:17:08 GMT -5
Sidhe, if you pick up right where you left off with the flame-starting arguments, you're going to find out just how far you can be kicked clear, and your secondary names won't be ignored next time.
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Post by Avogadro on Feb 13, 2006 7:26:35 GMT -5
And for the record we never accused him of cheating. You guys did, we suspend priveldges while conducting an investigation into the matter.
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Post by Sidhe on Feb 13, 2006 16:25:59 GMT -5
Actually that's not true Fried compared me to benedict arnold and said it was rich him lecturing him about being a cheater, Whiplash not an admin but TD, insinuated that since I was denying it so vehemently I must be a cheat and SPM directly said that telling someone your being attacked in a teamer directly is cheating, which is not something that happened anyway and led to the rest jumping on the cart and shouting cheat. Lastride said that he thought I was a cheat, from what he had heard. And countless members of the ladder have since asked if I cheated. You can kick me as far as you like Fired doesn't change the truth. And your lack of response to anything I asked you after that just shows to me your holier than though I am right and you are wrong attitude that you seem to have adopted as a kind of default setting to everyone. Fine Let's leave it Avogadro but don't come around here trying to claim there was never an accusation of me of being a cheat, you didn't say it but we all know what was said and by who. The ladder members jumped on the band wagon after the admins agreed with game theories accusation of cheating, then when he withdrew it everyone now claims that no accusations were made by admins when that is patently a lie. Yeah well whatever; just setting the record straight; Probably get booted for telling the truth now, about what I'd expect. Do not question the thought police, they are watching you. Do as I say don't do as I do. I will flame you any time I like, but you flame me just once and your out of here pal. Like it? Very objective rule system you got there, hope it goes good for ya. yeah I know I know I'm going, sorry forgot my hat.
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Post by Avogadro on Feb 13, 2006 22:55:14 GMT -5
When I said accused him....I meant Yumpak. If you read above you would see that he was temporarely suspended pending investigation. As for you I never called you a cheater. You broke cton rules during CCC competition and it is what lead to your initial punishement. The things between you and Fried? To be honest apart from the one thread where ya lost it, I am unaware of any other issues. Lastride had issues with you being banned from this forum simply to show up the next day in the civ3 forum to start blasting there as well. So please don't get into a war of of thinking you know what my thoughts are because you do not knwo me so to "suppose" or "imply" what I may or may not be thinking will only lead you into error.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Feb 14, 2006 3:06:15 GMT -5
He was also booted from the C4SPG forum - the first to be so removed - for starting up absolutely ridiculous pointless arguments full of insults with some of our longest and most respected contributing members, and then snarling a retort and continuing when warned by the moderators of that forum to get his act together. It was the retort in defiance that did it, actually. That forum is a place of business, and we have absolutely no time for drama there.
Although that has nothing to do with cheating (which I mentioned in one thread here, once - that I felt it ironic that Sidhe was lecturing someone about breaking rules) I suspect, given the vulgarity-filled tripe that appeared in my email, he was not pleased with this development.
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Post by umbra on Feb 14, 2006 8:35:58 GMT -5
i think Fred CHeats on his wife
with a big whale Called Queen Tutu
witch is also pink skinned and bald, and of a unknown "monkey" race.
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Post by Sidhe on Feb 14, 2006 13:32:02 GMT -5
Actually your words were : I consider it ironic that you are lecturing someone about cheating. Your members did throw a few insults my way before I retorted. And as for the moderators warning me, it was only you who did by making accusations of me getting banned from other forums thus sullying my reputation, subtly done there, a warning would have been sufficient but you had to provoke me further(something you appear to delight in doing without warrant most of the time) You seem to find great delight in prodding people to the point of angry response and then standing back and banning them and waving your finger. When you know no one in the same postition of relentless cheating accusations both on the forum and in the lobby is going to react well. I just hope people have learnt to think for themselves for a change instead of believeing instantly every accusation that appears in every thread. Personally I think getting kicked of the beta testing web site their loss as I would of had a lot to contribute, I would imagine if Fried hadn't of had such a down on me already, the slights would have passed without comment, but maybe I did deserve it. Never mind. Thrown off of three websites and the ladder in three months, is that a record? Oh come one I'm only kidding don't look so shocked
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Post by Ascension/Necrominous on Feb 14, 2006 22:39:02 GMT -5
Doubt anyone was shocked. I thought the figured must have been low-balled myself.
I also find it extremely interesting that even a thread with someone else's name on it has degraded into all about Sidhe. The phrase starved for attention comes to mind. I should be one of your favorite members. I give wittle Sidwe pwenty of attention. Ooooh, how adorawable, heee's swooo cooooooot.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Feb 15, 2006 8:07:32 GMT -5
This thread has served its usefulness and it slowly spiraling downward - I will remove it in 24 hours.
CLICK.
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