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Post by prettyhatemachine on Jul 20, 2007 8:46:34 GMT -5
Doing my shopping for a pretty dress i find myself seeing bts ad on eb window...marking pretty's return to civ4 my civ4 disc was cracked, and my wl disc scratched, so i hadda buy both again bringin my sid dowry contribution to $350AUS (310US) i just want to state that i can have 7 hookers line up and bark like dogs for an hour for that so this goddam better have some mp goin on. been playin a epic sp emp game with mayans for a couple hours. some stuff that grabbed my attention: 1) took a performance hit on my pretty machine. not crippling, but bts has a very slight drag that i never had with wl 2) ai has leaped ahead. on emp, ai beat my financial and mystic civ to poly which has never happened before. portugal chopped like a deviousdevil and persia had alphabet in absolutely blistering time. used its units better too. 3) mayan UU sucks dogs balls. i mean really, u will be pissed off with it when you get mayan in cton. spearman that beats archers in open like they did before, die to elbows like they did before, and die attacking unpromoted archers in cities like they did before. what the hell is the point of it!?! only time ever you wont be pissed is maybe in classical if you got no resources and neighbour is a horserusher. 4) every wanker wont be demanding i must play a spiritual civ now. this is good. you got the wonder to give you trait for free, but main thing is you get spiritual by entering GAs. GAs expand the strats of the game nicely now as you can enter a GA with just 1 GP, and in addition to spiritual, you get double GA growth (!!!) believe it or not. i can see some amazing leaps done with this. 5) espionage is confusing for those of us blessed with only looks. the espionage weight screen is stupid. was like playing tetris to get the exact spread i wanted. hammering moles. i dont even get it anyway cept i could see what enemies were researching. 6) mayan uu sucks 7) mayan uu really sucks 8) slavery is still best tactic ever even with up to medium. this made me sad that they didnt fix. 9) cat changes are awesome. my army of cats couldnt take anything lol. you gotta bring more units. they seem to die quicker too. not sure why yet. 10) i beat mgts score on that vector game. he is a n00b 11) partially felt more like just playing a mod (of which i play many) but find myself excited by new strats. quit as i got into ren to go find some mp action (of which there is zero right now, did australia get this first or something lmao, never happens). i was real happy to see cavs ousted. curaisser is good intermediatary unit and pushing back gren as they did is nice too. so overall, plays in terms of gameplay really just like a mod, but a decent one, and good that everyone will be playing it unlike mods. enough changes that i will be back into it for quite some time i think. lots of new maps too. no idea wtf they do though. their names must be for you edumacated peeps.
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Post by Tony on Jul 20, 2007 9:50:01 GMT -5
I haven’t been playing BtS for too long so will reserve judgment for now.
But some things that I have noticed are:
1) Pings - How the hell are you meant to know someone is pinging now, I know firaxis are reacting to idiots that over ping but I think we need a happy medium. Pings shouldnt be this discrete.
2) I don’t know if this is a feature or not, but unit walking animation that cant be turned off is awfully annoying.
3) My warlords has stopped working aswell, I know you there is something you can do to allow you to play both but WTF 1 game stops another from working ...GJ guys.
4) I don’t really know what to make of spies, I really like building them and using them but they just tell the other guy soo much. Consider inlandsea ren, for example, a common tactic is to over load one side, is this still possible? Btw how do you catch a spy? it seems to be random
5) Catapults, i think everyone agreed that something had to be done to catapults, but the rushing longbows in after cats makes the attacker want to cry. You need a massive advantage in terms of units to take a city now. I play around with catapults a little more before i give my verdict.
6) I haven’t checked the game in any kind of detail yet, but i seem to get those red faces alot quicker.
Mayans UU seems cool to me, quite nice having spears if someone has horses.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 20, 2007 11:46:59 GMT -5
Warlords has not stopped working with BTS, but likely it's patched it to work with the BTS disk and not the WL disk, you don't even need a copy of Warlords as BTS will install Warlords for the player(although without the original scenario content)
CS
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Post by zzZhenon on Jul 20, 2007 20:20:21 GMT -5
-mayan UU pwns -taking cities impossible vs a good player which makes it pointless to slave rush someone unless you dominate in espionage, and even then...... no killing until renaissance? -Golden Ages pwn, I had my own thread where i compared sucky civ4 GAs vs civ3 GAs and how no one goes Golden in civ4 games until Renaissance and later.... i mean why bother? I'd use great people for techs and scientists for academies, now you can blow that first gp on going golden... -tons of new maps.... Say "NOOOO!!!" to inland sea
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 20, 2007 22:18:41 GMT -5
Yes I've been waiting to hear what people think about Arboria, Boreal, Donut, Medum and Small, Big and Small etc...I'm hoping that we now have a good continents map for epics CS
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Post by eiffel on Jul 21, 2007 5:33:17 GMT -5
BTS sucks because Zhenon is in the printed manual credits
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Post by pnity on Jul 21, 2007 6:18:21 GMT -5
In "big and small" and "medium and small" maps, players will be placed in 2 Big inland(or more). And many small inlands exist.
It is unfair for a cton game, but good for a long team game.
A team need work well on navy and army.
Players,who love navy, will like it.
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Post by toratoratora on Jul 21, 2007 6:21:21 GMT -5
BTS sucks because Zhenon is in the printed manual credits Hes in my UK manuals credits twice Oh and sumarian Vultures Suck and what do you know Krill wasnt named after some Bird Seed afterall
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Post by prettyhatemachine on Jul 21, 2007 7:25:03 GMT -5
Played all the maps now. I really like Big and Small and Medium and Small. If you have unpredictable and islands and integrated the maps seem to turn out pretty cool most of the time. Hemispheres is up there as decent and playable too. It's just a pity Firaxis doesn't have any dudes on board who have ever seen a map of the earth is all Boreal sucks. Noone will ever play it. Ah fun! A tundra map in a game version that doesn't let me improve tundra. Firaxis dudes should watch a doco on China one day. Arboreal and Rainforest are alright. Variations of Highlands. Noone will ever play them cept me, especially no ladder players. Donut... welcome to the new inland sea. Hope not, but can imagine it as a semi-popular variant. Global Highlands. I like it myself, but too much desert and tundra and ice for Higlands. Noone will ever play it as you either have ultimate chop land (50%) or jungle, desert, tundra, ice slabs that are utterly unusable and GG (50%). Flip a coin. Mayans UU is crap. You can each other all you like, and they'll still just be spearmen. No resource spearman, big deal. Every 2nd girl on this ladder quits when they don't have copper and iron on their doorstep anyway. If anything they love to not have resources cos its an excuse to whine for the next 30 minutes. Maybe if you started with Hunting it'd have a use...but you don't.
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Post by Atomation on Jul 22, 2007 2:11:40 GMT -5
The great spy and all other recon generated from spying is just obscene. Being able to see every city you've discovered, look at everything inside of it and what it's making....is just...wow....it's not quite right.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 22, 2007 3:24:21 GMT -5
The great spy and all other recon generated from spying is just obscene. Being able to see every city you've discovered, look at everything inside of it and what it's making....is just...wow....it's not quite right. Yes but are these comments about games with AI civs, that are not trying to protect themselves from espionage....just curious, but I've played espionage wars with other MP testers and with both using it's not so easy to use effectively, although eventually the larger/richer civ will win the "cold war". CS
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Post by toratoratora on Jul 22, 2007 3:48:05 GMT -5
So for ladder games are Random Events on or off
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 22, 2007 3:54:12 GMT -5
So for ladder games are Random Events on or off Well for everyday ladder games feel free to do what you want, but I don't see them being allowed in the CCC, "SYTX won because I had a size 16 city totally wiped out by a Tsunami", wouldn't go over well CS
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Post by mrgametheory on Jul 22, 2007 3:55:20 GMT -5
Thats bullnuts you didnt even come close to my score, Infact, I scored 2,6??, before I stopped playing 3 weeks ago and it seems that they reset the score and only 1 person has been able to even get close to me. If I continued to play it I probably easily make it into 2,700,000+ BOOOOOOOOYAAAAASHHHOCKKKKKKA
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Post by Matlowe on Jul 22, 2007 7:54:53 GMT -5
After a few games on bts ive noticed that spies are totally overpowered now, which just makes the whole game suck. Being able to see every unit, building, city of your opponent is hopeless in teamers, especially on inland sea maps where there is only two attacking points. just because it can be used on both sides doesnt mean its a good thing to add to a strategy game, it literally takes all the strat out of the game. Cats are nerfed down to a reasonable level now, although i think maybe a little too much. Just played a non-ladder ironman and i had no resources (iron/copper/horse), which made the game quite hard, and pretty much pointless. Even cats were pretty useless. next time i pick a civ i definately go as maya as the spear with no resource required sounds good for whne yuou have no resources the traits are the best aswell. Btw how can i fix my game so that i dont have to keep changing cd's every time i load warlords/bts ? it is stating to get annoying.... maybe a no-cd crack is available if anyone can help???
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Post by pnity on Jul 22, 2007 8:19:49 GMT -5
Spy is really overpowered. By using it, you can know what enemy will do. Then, you can defend well with best units. So a game will be very long because everyone can defend well.
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Post by Magzi on Jul 22, 2007 11:02:17 GMT -5
I love the spy.............I've just had a game and was making loads of spies...wow what fun you can have with them
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Post by zzZhenon on Jul 22, 2007 18:46:56 GMT -5
Spies were changed so many times I cant count, what we finally settled on seems like the best course. I imagine it will need some tweaking though...
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Post by Canucksoldier on Jul 22, 2007 20:24:48 GMT -5
After a few games on bts ive noticed that spies are totally overpowered now, which just makes the whole game suck. Being able to see every unit, building, city of your opponent is hopeless in teamers, especially on inland sea maps where there is only two attacking points. just because it can be used on both sides doesnt mean its a good thing to add to a strategy game, it literally takes all the strat out of the game. Cats are nerfed down to a reasonable level now, although i think maybe a little too much. Just played a non-ladder ironman and i had no resources (iron/copper/horse), which made the game quite hard, and pretty much pointless. Even cats were pretty useless. next time i pick a civ i definately go as maya as the spear with no resource required sounds good for whne yuou have no resources the traits are the best aswell. Btw how can i fix my game so that i dont have to keep changing cd's every time i load warlords/bts ? it is stating to get annoying.... maybe a no-cd crack is available if anyone can help??? Uninstall both BTS and WL's, then just install BTS, BTS installs a version(no scenarios) of WL's that should boot of the BTS disk. CS
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Post by bev on Jul 23, 2007 12:53:40 GMT -5
Couple of things I would like to ask. I dont like the spy thing. What chance of a box in options giving you the option to play with or without spies? Second - Ive played a few teamers and the ping is silent. Its completely useless. Pinging can be annoying but it is vital to be able to get your teammates attention quickly without having to write it all out. What is the reasoning behind silent pings?
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